Dealers in Ireland

Wheels said:
I am not sure if your written word comes across differently to how you hear it in your head YCBM but you do sometimes come across as a bit condescending when all I can see on this thread is people trying to help and giving you the benefit of their experiences.

Its not an attitude I would go onto a dealers yard with personally.
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If people want to reply to questions I didn't ask, then that's their choice. I did not want any question answered but the one I asked. I've bought more horses than most people have had hot dinners :D. If you find that condescending stop opening the thread.
 
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Lol I'm sure you have!

So it's strange that you need help locating dealers since you obviously have so many amazing contacts
 
Wheels said:
Lol I'm sure you have!

So it's strange that you need help locating dealers since you obviously have so many amazing contacts
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I don't have any dealer/breeder contacts at all and have never claimed to have. If you have nothing to contribute, why do you keep opening the thread?
 
ycbm said:
And that's absolutely fine IG, that's the beauty of being self employed, you can pick and choose who you work for. But you know her requirements, you don't seem able to line up three potential horses to talk to her about on the phone as I have asked you to, so we aren't exactly in the ball park of booking flights and wasting your time. And if you aren't interested in this burning hot prospect who is desperate to find a sound horse, then I'd be grateful if you would stop trying to put me off recommendations that other people have made.
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That's just it ycbm - I don't know her requirements - I know your version of her requirements. And that has morphed considerably over the course of this thread. From a lady who would not favour a sports Connie, as it would be too much for her, to considering highly bred warmblood showjumpers that incidentally will stand well in excess of the 16hh cut off you originally gave.

You contacted me three weeks ago by PM looking for a horse for your friend. I gave you my phone number then- and I can produce those PMs here - and told you to give it to your friend and tell her to ring me. You said you would pass it on and I heard nothing from your friend since. Not a dickey bird.

I later told you politely and respectfully when you again Pmed me that I only deal with the buyer themselves, for the reasons I outlined previously in the thread. As it doesn't work going on the requirements passed on by a friend. For some reason you have trouble dealing with that.

I can do no more - I gave you my number and your friend hasn't called. Now I have horses to line up for buyers who have contacted me in person and they are my priority. I have been nothing but polite and respectful in dealing with you - something you seem to have great difficulty in reciprocating.

Please respect how I run my business, I can assure you it is always done with the buyers best interests at heart. That's how I am able to achieve such successful outcomes for riders including many who regularly contribute here, who have been extremely happy with their experience.
 
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"I don't have any dealer/breeder contacts at all and have never claimed to have. If you have nothing to contribute, why do you keep opening the thread?"



In case someone writes something I'm interested in, same reason I read any other thread.
 
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IG, I told you her requirements. They have not morphed at all. Not one iota except that the budget has risen.

I told you her husband is recovering from surgery and you should not necessarily expect to hear from her.

I told you last weekend that we had just seen yet another unsound horse and that if you could line up three for her to see then she was now a very hot prospect.

You aren't interested in that. You don't trust me to have related her criteria accurately and you don't trust me that it would be worth your while to have three potential horses in mind before you contact her. That's entirely your right. You don't know me from Adam.

I have misunderstood your business, for which I apologise. I was under the impression that you would already have potential horses in mind, not have to spend valuable time searching them out.

I respect your business completely and wish you every success with it.
 
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Wheels said:
"I don't have any dealer/breeder contacts at all and have never claimed to have. If you have nothing to contribute, why do you keep opening the thread?"



In case someone writes something I'm interested in, same reason I read any other thread.
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I keep opening it because the train wreck this thread is turning into is wildly entertaining :biggrin3:
 
Might be worth a quick look at Irish Horse Imports facebook page. I don't really do Facebook either, but there will be a phone number somewhere I'm sure.

I believe they are in Berkshire area and you would of course miss a very nice trip to Ireland.
 
Smitty said:
Might be worth a quick look at Irish Horse Imports facebook page. I don't really do Facebook either, but there will be a phone number somewhere I'm sure.

I believe they are in Berkshire area and you would of course miss a very nice trip to Ireland.
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Thanks. Ireland is a lot more tempting than Berkshire, but we'll go anywhere in a two-three hour radius to see a group of sound horses! I can't believe the number of unsound ones being presented for sale, and not cheap either!
 
Tiddlypom said:
Presumably, IG, you're happy for a friend/trainer to accompany the potential purchaser on a viewing, even though you expect the PP to have made all the initial enquiries?
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Of course I am, people always come with friends. And I'm very happy for friends to make initial contact but then I need to speak to the buyer.

I have learned through hard experience TP that he who pays the piper calls the tune. In fact almost the only times that buying trips have not worked has been when I dealt with the instructor or friend to get the buyers requirements in advance, rather than the buyer.

It's because people colour what they're looking for on behalf of the friend with their own preferences IME. Then I go out and get what I've been told by the fiend. I have 6 - 10 horses for them to see but they are not what the buyer ideally wants.

The buyer is the person I work for, not an intermediary, not an instructor. It's great to have their input, that's fine, but it's the buyers true preferences that count here. And for me to get a real picture of that I need to speak to them personally. Nobody else can express what they want like they can. It's very, very simple, it makes perfect sense yet clearly, as this thread demonstrates, it's a model that a very small number of people find strangely diffult to work with.

Here's an example. An instructor contacted me looking for a very straightforward ID cross for her livery. I lined up 10 that fit the spec. When the girl got here with the instructor she announced it was a gypsy cob she wanted. A lot of work by myself and producers goes into organising a buying trip and it's all then rather pointless when you have put together the wrong horses for the buyer because you were basically misinformed. Well intentioned friends are not trying to wreck the buying trip it's just what tends to happen when you deal with an intermediary over the buyer.
 
Irish gal said:
Here's an example. An instructor contacted me looking for a very straightforward ID cross for her livery. I lined up 10 that fit the spec. When the girl got here with the instructor she announced it was a gypsy cob she wanted. A lot of work by myself and producers goes into organising a buying trip and it's all then rather pointless when you have put together the wrong horses for the buyer because you were basically misinformed. Well intentioned friends are not trying to wreck the buying trip it's just what tends to happen when you deal with an intermediary over the buyer.
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Can I please explain that there was never any suggestion that any travel and viewing plans would be made without the buyer talking directly to you. We both felt that it would be nice to have an idea that you could actually line up three horses in the spec before taking any more of your time up in phone calls. Since I know you, to an extent, and she doesn't, I took on this initial contact. . I clearly made a mistake contacting you, for which I apologise.
 
ycbm said:
Can I please explain that there was never any suggestion that any travel and viewing plans would be made without the buyer talking directly to you. We both felt that it would be nice to have an idea that you could actually line up three horses in the spec before taking any more of your time up in phone calls. Since I know you, to an extent, and she doesn't, I took on this initial contact. . I clearly made a mistake contacting you, for which I apologise.
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Now ycbm I deliberately ignored your last post in order to calm things down. I told you from the very start that I had horses that fitted your spec so please stop further slandering me with that one.

Do you honestly want me to cut and paste our correspondence here so that everyone can see that every word I have said in the thread is true. I have no problem doing it and if you continue to give a false version of our interaction you will leave me no choice but to do that.

And I'd just like to add this is the greatest headache I have ever had over a potential buying trip. If this is what it's like at the enquiries stage I shudder to think how bad it could be if it were actually to happen. Life is way too short...
 
Irish gal said:
Now ycbm I deliberately ignored your last post in order to calm things down. I told you from the very start that I had horses that fitted your spec so please stop further slandering me with that one.

Do you honestly want me to cut and paste our correspondence here so that everyone can see that every word I have said in the thread is true. I have no problem doing it and if you continue to give a false version of our interaction you will leave me no choice but to do that.

And I'd just like to add this is the greatest headache I have ever had over a potential buying trip. If this is what it's like at the enquiries stage I shudder to think how bad it could be if it were actually to happen. Life is way too short...
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Irish gal said:
Hi Ycbm,

Thanks for thinking of me and I'm sure I would be able to accommodate your friend.

It doesn't sound like she's looking for anything out of the way. Why don't you ask her to give me a ring and we can talk it through.

My UK number for convenience is [Content removed].

Once again thanks for the recommendation!



ycbm said:
Hi, I've got a friend I'm suggesting comes over to you to view a number of horses, if you can match up some that met her spec?

Not a baby, under ten, established in all the basics and hacks out alone.

Primary use dressage, would be good if it could pop a cross pole.

Height 15-16 hands, no bigger she is really tiny.

Budget is realistic but doesn't go to five figures.

Colour and sex not important.

Can you help?
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Irish gal said:
Thanks Caroline,

I've been away with buyers so hadn't a chance to come back to you. And they all seem to have the same story about looking at problem horses back in the UK!

I'll have a chat with xxxxx and we can take it from there. That's a pity about her other half but what can you do.






ycbm said:
I'll pass on your number xxxx. Her name is xXxX and she's fed up with looking at lame horses in this country! Tried about six and something wrong with all of them. She isn't one of those people who is looking for perfection, just a nice sound sane little horse. Last one we saw walked and trotted on a single track with the hind feet! Her OH has just had a hip replacement so I doubt she'll be free to travel for a month or so, unless she asks me to come instead, which I'm hoping.

Caroline
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Irish gal said:
Hi Caroline,

Apologies for the delay - I've just been flat out! It's great that you're so enthusiastic about coming over but the problem is xxxxcc doesn't seem to be. I've heard nothing from her.

A buying trip in a foreign country is quite daunting for many people, that's why I always make sure the buyer is really up for it. Especially people who've had a couple of horses go unsound or die as they can often then be almost too cautious about buying, which can make them harder to help.

I suppose what I'm saying is that while it's lovely that you're up for it, the important person to be enthused is xXxX as she's the buyer and she doesn't seem to be running with the idea.

I don't even know who she is as I've never spoken to her!







ycbm said:
Hiya, we've just seen yet another unsound horse for sale. If you were to hit xxxx now with an invitation to see three or four horses in the first or second week of October over 2-3 days with information about how to get to you from an airport, and where to stay, she'd be likely to bite.

She doesn't know I'm writing this, but she needs a new horse, I need her to have a new horse, and she needs a prod to do the obvious and go to Ireland !

She rode a 15hh Connie cross today and was well suited size wise. 15hh to 16hh will be fine, and her budget is creeping up close to five figures.

Don't give me away! Hope this helps.

Caroline
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Irish gal said:
There's no obligation with this but in order to get the ball rolling tell her to have a think about it. There are a couple of suitable horses I can think of off the top of my head. To see the type of horses we have then get her to take a look at Golden Vale Sport Horses on fb. There are many more besides what's on the page - but it will give her an idea of the types and quality here. Am booked up next week anyway so it wouldn't be for a while.

ycbm said:
Fair enough. She's saying to me she's ready to consider a trip, she just needs to know there are horses for her to view, but I understand your reasoning.

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ycbm said:
She's already looked you up the day after I told her about you. I'll tell her you think you may have a couple to look at.

C.
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I hadn't got round to telling her that you had some in mind. I wrote this thread straight after writing that message to you, and given your reaction to this thread, I have now advised her not to contact you. I'm sure you will be relieved about that.
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With friends like you YCBM who needs enemies. The whole thread has smacked of you pushing the poor woman into something she’s not ready for and here’s the proof. Dear oh dear.
 
druid said:
ycbm posting someone's phone number from a private conversation is completely uncalled for and unreasonable
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It's a business number on multiple websites. I did it by mistake and have asked for it to be removed.
 
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FfionWinnie said:
With friends like you YCBM who needs enemies. The whole thread has smacked of you pushing the poor woman into something she’s not ready for and here’s the proof. Dear oh dear.
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So glad you know my friends better than I do :D
 
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Tiddlypom said:
'She doesn't know I'm writing this, but she needs a new horse, I need her to have a new horse, and she needs a prod to do the obvious and go to Ireland !'

Sorry, ycbm, but I'm with IG on this, no wonder IG is so wary. It's you doing the driving, not the potential purchaser.
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Good, I genuinely pleased you feel that way. It may restore some of the damage she's done to her business with her replies on this thread. All she was asked for was to indicate that a trip to Ireland to see three horses in a very wide spec was feasible.

If every sales person in the country waited for a pull sale instead of being prepared to do a gentle push sale when handed a red hot lead, the economy would collapse. I fully accept that IG is totally within her rights to run her business that way.

I freely admit that I misunderstood her business, though, and thought she would be able to come up with three possible horses with no work whatsoever. Stupid of me.
 
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Tiddlypom said:
'She doesn't know I'm writing this, but she needs a new horse, I need her to have a new horse, and she needs a prod to do the obvious and go to Ireland !'

Sorry, ycbm, but I'm with IG on this, no wonder IG is so wary. It's you doing the driving, not the potential purchaser.
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I think this says it all really!! ycbm wants her friend to have a new horse seemingly more than the friend wants one lol
 
ycbm said:
Good, it may retire shine of the damage she's done to her business with her replies on this thread. All she was asked for was to indicate that a trip to Ireland to see three horses in a very wise spec was feasible.

I freely admit that I misunderstood her business and thought she would be able to do that with no work whatsoever. Stupid of me.
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I don't see what damage IG has done to her business although it looks like you were trying to discredit her in some way but I think it's maybe backfired
 
ycbm said:
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OMG I think that perfectly shows up the reservations IG has and has clearly pointed out and you seem to ignore. It seems to me you are more keen on this road trip than your friend. Or maybe its something else.

Im afraid IG is spot on in that most horses within dealing yards within that age range are more likely to be upper end as what is the point of keeping something till its six if its not going to be special and most likely to be out of your friends league. The modern IDs are not the plods you imagine them to be otherwise they would be dying out. You would be better off if looking for a dressage horse flying to holland or germany the Irish by tradition are likely to be more jumping orientated. Most top end dealers within the UK are likely to have what your looking for however I doubt you have rung any of them they always have a few that just wont quite make it to top end that they are happy to take an offer on. Im afraid going to Ireland with the attitude you have will end in disaster as you need to be well on your guard out there not because they are dishonest but because they can sell snow to eskimos whether its what you want or not. I always recommend using an agent out there for first time trippers or indeed always. If they respect you ,you will get what your looking for.
 
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