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I have been watching the puggles thread with much interest as little nieve me didnt even know these kinds of breeds existsed! Would love to know of some more and opinions on why these breeds shouldnt be crossed.
Wouldnt know why anyone would breed a spaniel and beagle though as their eyes look so sore and surely a beagles body couldnt cope with the exercise a spaniel would want?
 
Husky/Malamute/Akita x GSD is a big one that I am not a big fan of, people selling these will say the former breed correct health issues in the latter which is bunkum when neither of the breeding pair is hip or elbow scored so likely to perpetuate any underlying hip or elbow issue.

Plus while they both have pointy ears, that is where the similarity ends.
Huskies and malamutes and Akitas are aloof, the former two bred to pull and run all day, not people pleasers, very high prey drive, very high energy, not much guarding instinct. Akitas are a unique breed, very hard to read and if they flip, will give no warning whatsoever.

GSDs are people pleasers, very high drive, a thinking breed, need to be occupied/have a job to do, can be very sensitive to their handlers and their surroundings, a degree of natural suspicion, often need to defend, protect, guard.

As mentioned in the other thread, backyard breeders of purebreds are just as bad, but people throwing two completely incompatible breeds together, claiming they are 'healthy' because they are a cross bred, giving it a cute name and charging way over the odds for it, is what most people have a problem with, not the individual dogs or owners themselves.

If the dogs are compatible (Sprockers can work, Malinois x GSD, Malinois x Dutch Herder is a common one for working dogs on the continent) and health tested (hips, eyes, elbows, haem test for GSDs - if you are being charged £300 and up for a GSD or cross of a GSD without these health tests, with good results, then you are literally being sold a pup - INSIST on these tests and reward the breeders who do things properly) and have homes to go to.
There is a super Mali x GSD at our club. But he was bred with a job in mind, his relatives were proven in both performance and health and there was a market for the pups before the mating even took place.
 
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And tonight his purpose is being EXTREMELY ANNOYING!!!

He is actually the first pup I have bought, for me, on purpose, if that makes sense, and even then he was half price because he had had another home from 6-14 weeks or so.
All our others have been showring rejects :p nothing over £300 each, and that covered the fact that they were from imported parents, all health tests, working and show requirements over five gens.
If I could have got the type of dog I wanted from rescue, I would have done, workingline dogs do rock up in rescue in the USA but luckily they are not so thickly spread here yet and I hope they never are!!!
 
I have a great dane cross mastiff. Very attractive dog although a bit dim. I have seen this cross being sold as a 'Daniff'.

Reality is, she's not a designer dog, she's a mongrel. I think the naming of crosses is just a way to command stupid money.
 
I thing reading the "Puggle" thread is enough without stirring it all up on this thread all over again. It'll just be pages of ranting.

Think you can safely say majority on this forum don't agree with them for near on the same reasons. Some have them, some don't. Some rescue, some buy.
 
Who is ranting?! It isn't the first time we will have this debate and it won't be the last, it's an exchange of opinions, t's just better discussing it here than hi-jacking someone else's first post on the board :)
 
Search on Youtube "the truth about pedigree dogs" it's about an hour long, it's very interesting. I think ANY designer dog is a bad idea, as a reputable breeder would not give it a fancy name, they would call it was it is: a mongrel. Same with teacup ANYTHING, sickly little runts. Can't believe people pay thousands for these poor little animals.
 
elliecjno1 said:
I thing reading the "Puggle" thread is enough without stirring it all up on this thread all over again. It'll just be pages of ranting.

Think you can safely say majority on this forum don't agree with them for near on the same reasons. Some have them, some don't. Some rescue, some buy.
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Oh dear I only wanted to know of other "breeds" as never heard of the ones mentioned. If you dont like the thread then dont read it
 
HeatherAnn said:
Search on Youtube "the truth about pedigree dogs" it's about an hour long, it's very interesting. I think ANY designer dog is a bad idea, as a reputable breeder would not give it a fancy name, they would call it was it is: a mongrel. Same with teacup ANYTHING, sickly little runts. Can't believe people pay thousands for these poor little animals.
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How much are these dog fetching?:eek:
 
CaveCanem said:
Husky/Malamute/Akita x GSD is a big one that I am not a big fan of, people selling these will say the former breed correct health issues in the latter which is bunkum when neither of the breeding pair is hip or elbow scored so likely to perpetuate any underlying hip or elbow issue.
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OH was banging on about inuits again a few months back (inspired by Game of Thrones :rolleyes:) and I looked up a few breeders online, including the one who produced the GoT dogs. A decently sized minority provided hip scores which, while perhaps not unsatisfactory, were a great deal higher than you'd find in a working bred husky. Obviously there's not as much data for them available but there's a fairly plausible source which reckoned the average score for inuits was 16, utonagans 20, tamaskans 11 as opposed to 7 in huskies.

At the show we picked R up from the Northen Inuit Society was holding a breed show - no two dogs looked the same, I've no idea what criteria they were judging by as they weren't comparable at all. Beautiful, granted, but a complete mixed bag (and some very skittish ones).

I know I am the world's biggest hypocrite in this regard, blah blah blah. :p I have ishoos with some pedigree dogs too. The bit I remember from the 'Pedigree Dogs Exposed' program was those blokes massaging the perineums of the bulldogs while they were stood up for the judge. :p
 
MiCSarah, I did a tonne of defending GSDs on here after that programme aired.
It caused huge problems for our breed and as Ostrich said, was very poorly edited.
The progressive GSD fraternity have been battling for years for MANDATORY health testing and MANDATORY low scores for all breeding animals as well as lots of other things :p
However it was also the catalyst for a move away from a system which places little value on health and working capability and now European style shows, held under international rules, where only dogs with the best health test results and working capabilities, as well as being conformationally correct, get into the top classes/places, are being held in the UK.

I have, before and since, seen some of the dogs featured in the flesh and truly believe that the green shiny carpet at Crufts is not the best surface to display the flying trot for which the GSD is renowned, they drive from the rear so will look unstable on a slidy surface.

However I saw one of the females in a veteran class this year on the grass - she has obviously survived to old age and looks lovely side on when moving, but from behind and when at rest, she is not pretty to look at, at all :(
So I concede that one point, to whoever I was fighting with back then :p
 
I think the above is the way forward for a lot of breeds; SHCGB offer a dual championship, for instance. No health tests involved, as far as I can see, but in order to accrue enough working points to win the thing they have to be pretty bloody sound. :p

ETA: A lot of the winners seem to be piebalds so I would be a fan. :o
 
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CanveCanem - Well it took people 8 pages of bitching & ranting on the puggle thread for this one to start, may aswell of carried on!

OP - EllenJay on the puggle post has said it all for me & I think the horse boards are a safer place to be lol. With remarks of "if you don't like the post don't read it" remind me of being back in the school playground.

I'm out.
 
LOL @ the horse boards being safer. :D

I wouldn't get very far if I tied a greyhound to the scooter. :p In fact I don't think we'd move at all, they'd just regard me coolly and then demand to be taken back to bed!

There you go, 1997 dual champ, whoozat look like?! :p

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Have to say i was shocked when looking for a dog at these so called designer breeds. I was looking for a smallish mongrel basicly. I oringially looked at rescues but having a 7 year old most in this area wouldnt rehome with a kiddie that age or to a home with another dog, which i have.
But they were asking a minimum of 300-400 for what i call mongrels!!! Which when i got my last pup 15 years ago you were given because they were accidents!!!!! In the end i got my JR terrier for 50 pounds from a friend of a friend he was the last one and they just wanted a good home( or he was probaly terrorising them and they were fed up!!!;) Glad i got him though hes brill loves my daughter adores my other dog and is really well behaved apart from his chewing habits!!!!:D:p
 
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Have to say i was shocked when looking for a dog at these so called designer breeds. I was looking for a smallish mongrel basicly. I oringially looked at rescues but having a 7 year old most in this area wouldnt rehome with a kiddie that age or to a home with another dog, which i have.
But they were asking a minimum of 300-400 for what i call mongrels!!! Which when i got my last pup 15 years ago you were given because they were accidents!!!!! In the end i got my JR terrier for 50 pounds from a friend of a friend he was the last one and they just wanted a good home( or he was probaly terrorising them and they were fed up!!!;) Glad i got him though hes brill loves my daughter adores my other dog and is really well behaved apart from his chewing habits!!!!:D:p
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Gives me hope to think you looked and though "WTF, I aint paying no £400 + quid for a dog with a name my daughter could think up that has no health test and encorage the Back street breeders breeding them to breed more"

:)
 
my opinion is, we hear all the slating of pure breds (of course there is such a thing as a poorly bred/back street bred purebred) but we strive/want to see improvements and see the un helathy and sometimes crippling traits bred out of them and see them fit for a purpose once again.

THEN
We have, (its ok to breed) mongrels that are so far apart in bred/shape/size/build/traits and give them a retarded name and experiment and instead make little/big freaks out of them and give then undesirable traits and health issues:confused: people need to make up their mind:rolleyes:

I have nothing against mongrels, I own enough, but please for the love of god don't buy them extortionate amounts of money to fund further breeding and experimental money making ventures for further random breeding of the hideous kind.
 
CAYLA said:
Gives me hope to think you looked and though "WTF, I aint paying no £400 + quid for a dog with a name my daughter could think up that has no health test and encorage the Back street breeders breeding them to breed more"

:)
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Yer thats basicaly what i thought!!! In fact rang my mum up ranting!!!;)
Although the one i got isnt KC registered he was a result of an accident from a bitches first season (shes since been done) and basicly paid them the cost if not probaly less for the vet checks and worming that had been done. I must say im a sucker for a funny looked hairy terrier cross breed, but not for 400 plus, i like my freebie doggies all mine up untill this one have been freebies he was the most expensive at 50 quid!!!!! :)
 
Bye then Ellie (was only two pages for me, you need to sort your settings out :p), but don't panic, if you or anyone else needs help, the peeps here will still be on hand :) the 'bitchiness' tag this section of the forum has earned has been disproven on multiple occasions every time a dog or owner has truly been in need.

Ostrich, I know I could probably Google this, but has a show greyhound ever done well at racing/coursing/another sport or vice versa?
They are a very old breed - methinks the newer breeds (by man's design) including my own, are those with most health problems?

I do agree BC that a lot of the Inuit breeders seem to hip and elbow score, fair play to them :)
 
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zoelouisem said:
Yer thats basicaly what i thought!!! In fact rang my mum up ranting!!!;)
Although the one i got isnt KC registered he was a result of an accident from a bitches first season (shes since been done) and basicly paid them the cost if not probaly less for the vet checks and worming that had been done. I must say im a sucker for a funny looked hairy terrier cross breed, but not for 400 plus, i like my freebie doggies all mine up untill this one have been freebies he was the most expensive at 50 quid!!!!! :)
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A sucker for what?;)
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CaveCanem said:
Bye then Ellie (was only two pages for me, you need to sort your settings out :p), but don't panic, if you or anyone else needs help, the peeps here will still be on hand :) the 'bitchiness' tag this section of the forum has earned has been disproven on multiple occasions every time a dog or owner has truly been in need.
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Anyone who thinks AAD is bitchy ought to hang around the Doghouse on Mumsnet, such is its reputation that posters now deliberately bait the dog folk on there following the banning of a very prominent member. Every single dog thread devolves into mudslinging (and as swearing and even quite personal attacks are not moderated on there... :eek:)

And yes, they too have helped out owners and dogs in need but that fact seems to pass the trolls by.
 
Cavecanem - it wasn't aiming the page length comment at you, particularly not you if anything, it was the ones who were particularly nasty in their comments to the OP & carried on & on. Ive never found this board bitchy at all until the x breeds are brought up lol but even then I'd call it very heated. In every other post you guys are a friendly helpful bunch - helped me a lot. I think the x breed thing just infuriates me & I jump the gun & it comes out wrong. Engage brain then fingers lol. Sorry! *hangs head*

Aww Cayla he/she is gorgeous!
 
But there are tonnes of x-breeds on here, Abe (when Katey comes back!!!) Puppy's Splatterdales :p Lexie's Dex, just off the top of my head and every bugger thinks mine is a cat x rabbit x Belgian Shepherd :p and hopefully this Puggle boy if the OP has not been scared off forever :p

Right, I am off to drink some wine and pay the poor OH some attention, don't anyone go anywhere or storm off and no more fighting, K?!
 
elliecjno1 said:
CanveCanem - Well it took people 8 pages of bitching & ranting on the puggle thread for this one to start, may aswell of carried on!

OP - EllenJay on the puggle post has said it all for me & I think the horse boards are a safer place to be lol. With remarks of "if you don't like the post don't read it" remind me of being back in the school playground.

I'm out.
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oh for gods sake, if you have nothing constructive to add - all you seem to do is whinge - then by all means do bugger off.

there's nothing wrong with debate. we cant all agree and my short sighted friend , there is nothing wrong with debating subjects, holding up other's views, assessing, rejecting or accepting them but most of all LEARNING something, which is what i find the H&H forums and the dog page especially, invaluable for.
I cant stand people spending 5 seconds here and badmouthing the dog forum. :mad:
 
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My hairy terrier type thing, a small dog with a very big charecter. I miss her so very much had her 15 years since i was 15 she grew up with me and then with my daughter, was a very sad day when i had to make the decision, but photos like this bring me back very fond memories!!!!!

Anyway relating to the thread types like this apparently cost 300 pounds +:eek: Shes was my freebie!!:)
 
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