Difficult yard owner and daughter (DIY)

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So I have recently moved from full livery to DIY, the yard itself is lovely and everyone there Barr the owners are also lovely.

It’s nothing major but would just like to know where I stand etc,
I came up the yard y day to find my horse tied up on the other side of the yard..... (to my knowledge no one has been or will be instructed to move my horse out of his stable) the daughters husband was drilling a hole in my stable so the horse the other side could see in.

I’m quite laid back and didn’t have a problem with this but after he’d finished drilling there was large bits of wood in my hay bucket which he had not bothered to move whilst drilling. My only concern is I was not even notified of this and I do t actually want anyone going into my stable to move my horse without ringing me or letting me know...

I am also under the impression that I rent my stable and therefore the yard owners daughter and her husband should not be entering my stable at all let alone drilling a hole without my prior permission?

It’s just made me think what else might they do whilst I’m not down the yard etc

What are people’s thoughts on this?
 
Do you have a contract? Normally maintenance of the stables would be the YO's responsibility and if they need a move a horse to do so then, personally, I would expect them to. They have (or should have) care & control insurance for just this sort of eventuality. Renting a stable isn't like renting a house. Unless you have a very unusual contract the YO does not need your permission to go into your stable - or indeed to move your horse.

That said - I'm not sure I would necessarily want next door's horse to see into my stable - and my horse to see out. I would expect to have been told about that plan. I don't think I would necessarily have objected - but I would not want to come down and discover a new "window" cut in the side of my stable! Moving the horse wouldn't bother me though - nor the failure to clean up. Its a DIY yard.

You are new the the yard and perhaps they way they run it is not to your liking. The best thing to do is to speak to them about it. If you don't want them to touch your horse you need to have a discussion about that.
 
I agree with Shay in every point. Most yards I was on DIY (about 5 different ones) the YO would potter about doing jobs and maintenance, sometimes this would involve moving horses around. This is pretty standard I'd have thought. The window thing is a bit weird though, and some horses would feel threatened by another horse pulling faces at them through the wall. Others would welcome it of course....but it certainly would have called for a chat first IMO.
 
From a YO's perspective - if I need to go into any of my stables/move a horse around, I do, regardless of the basis that the horse is here on. That said, I wouldn't carry out work on a stable without letting the owner know, and I don't leave a mess behind!

I have insurance in place to cover me and the horses in my care, and I wouldn't have someone on my yard if they weren't happy for me to deal with their horses if the situation called for the horse to be handled. I only have one DIY livery, and she is always very grateful when I get her old fool in early if he's having a tantrum, or turn him out before she arrives because he's rearing and bucking in the stable!
 
I wouldn't have minded them moving my horse to a safe tie up, but I wouldn't have been keen on them creating an opening to the next door stable without knowing about it first. But given that you have just moved in, it may be that the plans for the extra window were already in place and they just forgot to mention it.....But I would still ask questions about it just so I knew what it was for etc.
 
I don't see the problem, apart from not tidying up after themselves.

I certainly wouldn't expect a phone call to ask permission to move my horse out of the stable for 20 mins whilst some maintenance was carried out.
 
NB - I have been on the yard since May, the YO didntmove my horse it was the YO daughter and husband whom I’ve never met before, like I said I wasn’t too bothered I just wanted to find out people’s opinions etc, from my opinion I would have liked to been notified of this happening so when I arrive at the yard I know why my horse is outside tied up and there are loads of people in my stable etc
 
Oh it was the YO's daughter? I thought that it was just another random livery.

In that case no, it wouldn't have bothered me at all, but then I would've been distracted by wanting to know the theory behind the stable peep hole
 
If that’s your definition of a difficult YOer you are not going to do well on DIY .
Yes it would have been nice to they had told you what they had decided to do and it would be nice if he had cleaned after himself , thinking about it would be nice if MrGS cleaned up after himself that’s just life .
I dont see the problem it’s not even that your horse is only used to being handled by you .
I really don’t get the issue ,its best practise for horses to be able to see others and most love windows between boxes when you get the odd one that does not it’s simple enough to get a stable curtain or attach hard board to the bars .
 
I would expect a YO & any staff to be able to handle my horse without fuss and certainly wouldn't expect a call for them to move him a few metres and tie him up on the yard while they did stable maintenance. Sorry but I do think you're being a bit precious about that. I wouldn't have been hugely impressed by the mess, but I would just clear it up and get on with it tbh.
 
There has to be some level of trust in a livery arrangement otherwise it just doesn't work. If you don't trust the YO or her daughter to handle your horse so they can get on with some maintenance, then it might be better to look for other yards, it doesn't sound as though you are going to be happy there.
 
This is the sort of thing I ended up writing into my livery agreements - as a YO you need to be able to access all areas to carry out maintenance and generally run things for the benefit of everyone.
 
Apart from the lack of tidying up after the work I don't see any problem at all with what happened. I would not have expected a call prior to the maintenance either. I think the OP is being a bit over sensitive.
 
I would expect my horse to be moved if the YO wanted to do work in or to the stable and I would expect the YO or representative (ie daughter) to be competent and/or happy to do it. They should also have the expectation that my horse will be polite enough to handle. I don't see a problem with this at all. If this "behaviour" is what you count as difficult, then DIY - or this yard - is not for you.
 
apercrumbie said:
I would expect a YO & any staff to be able to handle my horse without fuss and certainly wouldn't expect a call for them to move him a few metres and tie him up on the yard while they did stable maintenance. Sorry but I do think you're being a bit precious about that. I wouldn't have been hugely impressed by the mess, but I would just clear it up and get on with it tbh.
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Yes, this.

The mess is the only thing you can really get annoyed about, but if you arrived in the middle of the job and the horse was still tied up outside, are you sure that they hadn't just cleared up *yet*?

They should have moved your hay to avoid wasting it, but you should probably be glad to find out that they actually do maintenance!
 
I don't really understand what they have done that is difficult? Other than not properly tidy up after work was done.

I would much rather my horse be moved for maintenance than people work around them!

I have never known a DIY were people had exclusive access to their stables, where the YO/their representative could not enter them without prior permission, I just couldn't see that really working.
 
The thing is, it's not like renting a house, where the landlord has to give 24 hours' notice to gain entry. Yes you're a livery but it's not your stable. As mentioned, it might be best to get used to this kind of thing or you'll spend a lot of time feeling angry.
 
amymay said:
I don't see the problem, apart from not tidying up after themselves.

I certainly wouldn't expect a phone call to ask permission to move my horse out of the stable for 20 mins whilst some maintenance was carried out.
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This.

It’s their yard so can do as they please to an extent. It’s not directly affecting your horse. Yes by all means create hell if they done it while horse was in the stable but they moved it out and all was well.
 
When I was on a yard many years ago nobody would have handled my horse without my knowledge except in an emergency. I didn’t realise how lucky I was until I read this! I would have been told if an opening was going to be made in the stable wall and notified when I would be happening so that I could go for a ride or something while it was being done. I do think there are issues with leaving somebody else’s horse tied up unattended without permission. Who’d be liable if that horse had an accident/got oose and injured itself?
 
Yes, it would bother me. Both that I now have a hole in the stable (can the other horse now get to mine? Can mine get through the gap/bang his head?), and also that my horse was tied unattended on the yard.

But then, that is why I have mine at home, so I am in charge of all that stuff.

Livery means a bit more give and take.
 
ChelseaGostomska said:
So I have recently moved from full livery to DIY, the yard itself is lovely and everyone there Barr the owners are also lovely.

It’s nothing major but would just like to know where I stand etc,
I came up the yard y day to find my horse tied up on the other side of the yard..... (to my knowledge no one has been or will be instructed to move my horse out of his stable) the daughters husband was drilling a hole in my stable so the horse the other side could see yours, unless window was low to enable fighting or biting.
I’m quite laid back and didn’t have a problem with this but after he’d finished drilling there was large bits of wood in my hay bucket which he had not bothered to move whilst drilling. My only concern is I was not even notified of this and I do t actually want anyone going into my stable to move my horse without ringing me or letting me know...

I am also under the impression that I rent my stable and therefore the yard owners daughter and her husband should not be entering my stable at all let alone drilling a hole without my prior permission?

It’s just made me think what else might they do whilst I’m not down the yard etc

What are people’s thoughts on this?
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Where it would be common courtesy to notify the next door livery as to what was happening - I notified my liveries that rear windows were being put in and their horses would have to stay out during this time ( 2 days summer) - and the builders should have cleared up the mess on your side. They don't need your permissions to go in there to save your horse freaking out by the drilling, you may be paying to use the stable but it is owned by them. Heaven forbid if my livery owners tell me not to go into their stable for what ever reason.


You don't say why this window was being put in - personally It can only help a horse to see out. This was our stable prior to windows and everyone agrees they are a real asset specially when they are large stables.


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My mares back wall before and after

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amymay said:
I don't see the problem, apart from not tidying up after themselves.

I certainly wouldn't expect a phone call to ask permission to move my horse out of the stable for 20 mins whilst some maintenance was carried out.
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This. I honestly don't think it would have bothered me.
 
Hack4fun said:
That's a little harsh, even if tongue in cheek.
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I do not think it is harsh. Think it through. The OP thinks the YO should ring her every time before touching her horse. So if there is danger ie fire should the YO leave the horse to smoke inhalation at best and possibly worse to ring someone to get permission to move her horse to safety?
The YO has to have the right to move the horses about if the need arises for maintenance, safety etc. What if the yard owner finds the horse ill with colic? Do they ring vet first or owner? In my book vet then owner as every minute can alter the outcome.
 
Handling a horse that has colic is a completely different scenario to moving a horse for an unscheduled bit of DIY...

I wouldn't be happy if I was the OP, either. Not least because if there's any DIY done in the stable, I'm obsessive about clearing all the bedding back first and ensuring that no debris/nails/screws etc have been left in there before the horse goes back in.

Thank goodness I keep mine at home.
 
it wouldnt bother me that the horse had to be moved as long as it was good to tie up and wouldnt panic. BUT if YO is making a hole between my horse and next door horse i think it would be nice to have this mentioned as not all horses like to share their space and it could lead to my horse being unsettled. its annoying that they didnt clear up but that would be the least of my worries. my mare lives out with my friends horse who is next door but if their was a window and he could get his head through when she was eating he would probably get his head kicked as she is very possessive about food...on saying that my YO would run any changes past me anyway....
 
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite said:
I'm a DIY YO and would have let livery know in advance re. any work being done to stable and/or if horse needed to be moved; I tend not to handle the livery's horses unless there is an emergency or need i.e. vet/farrier, but that's just the way I do things.
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this attitude sounds right to me, although i wouldnt expect YO to contact me if they just needed to move the horse out to do maintenance but from the OP post it seems they have made a change to the stable so its not unreasonable to expect to be notified...
 
sport horse said:
I do not think it is harsh. Think it through. The OP thinks the YO should ring her every time before touching her horse. So if there is danger ie fire should the YO leave the horse to smoke inhalation at best and possibly worse to ring someone to get permission to move her horse to safety?
The YO has to have the right to move the horses about if the need arises for maintenance, safety etc. What if the yard owner finds the horse ill with colic? Do they ring vet first or owner? In my book vet then owner as every minute can alter the outcome.
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I don't agree - sorry. OP has come here asking a question. That does not merit the response. The examples given are not analogous at all - they are emergency situations and quite different from planned work, besides which if you read my original comment carefully you will see that I did not express a view at all on moving the horse, I was commenting on the YO opening a difficult livery post just because a question was asked on here. Please read my comments carefully and lets agree to disagree and move on.
 
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