Disasterous day, A right telling off and none of it was my fault!

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I dont often post on here but can i just get some sympathy and someone to say it really isnt MY fault :(
We've had a new 'inmate' at the yard i work at. A 17.2 straping warmblood type i will call 'tag' whose really bulshy and bargy and rude. He is really strong and headstrong and only me and the YO are meant to handle him because teh other two girls arent capable of it. His specality is double barreling anything behind him given half the chance.

two days ago at morning turnout he got me a perler. Basicly the yard is devided into thirds. So each of us grooms has 5 liveries each to deal with, and unless we have the riding school ponies in, then theres only the five that we need to muck out, feed, turn out and do haynets for. Its pretty straight forwarded and basicly when tag came he became one of my horses so i have the six now. he goes out last as he goes in the nearest section and taking him past or behind horses is out of the question.

i started my second from last livery, who is really quiet and she had stopped to pee and all i hear is 'whoa whoa whoa tag' and i turn around to see one of the girls being dragged towards us. she had just put a normal headcollar on and then left the rope slack so hes just pulled her along. I was at the gate so i backed up my horse and she let him barge in front. I yelled at her to tie him up quickly so we could swop and keep hold of his head but she strted opening the gate so i waited and then she let the rope go slack and he rushe back and bfore i could back up he threw his head down and as i was sideways on pushing my liveries shoulder round he double barreled me and caught me right in the ribs and shoulder. :(I collapsed cos it knocked all my wind out and hurt so badly. I managed to yell at her to open the gate and let him go cos she cant do anything and then told her to tie up my livery because i couldnt get back up.

My YO ran over and called an ambulance and the girl was crying and then i went to hospital. Ive got 3 cracked ribs and it dislocated my shoulder. :( but when they discharged me this morning my YO rang and went really crazy at me for taking tag out with another horse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The girl hadnt owned up to anything and when YO asked her what happened she just said she didnt know and that it just happened really quick. so my YO thinks i was unresponsible enough to take out an unmanageable horse with another livery and said she was seriously considering my job there. i started crying and she hung up and i told my mum.

Mum rung YO who wanted to apologise to me and stuff and then everything ws okay buy i went on facebook just now and the girls sister has sent me a really nasty message;

rite carly i jus want u 2 no dat u got ***** saked u **** n u ent herd da end of dis. she wos jus scrd dat u got hurt n wos in shok n now shes lst er dreem job u shud b propa ashamed ov urself hope it hurts.

But i texted the girl and she said she didnt know if she was sacked or not but that YO was really angry with her and that she didnt mean to lye she was just really shocked and scared.

:( im really sad now and really in pain :(
 
No it isn't your fault. And although the other girl made a mistake she was probably trying to help and was genuinely probably in shock.

Your boss sounds like a piece of work frankly. I couldn't hack working for someone who called up and gave me grief when I'd been in hospital. I'd tell her to eff off myself and find somewhere new to work.

I hope you mend quickly. Broken ribs are not fun!
 
At least YO knows it isn't your fault, defriend on fb the girl and her totally uneducated sister, you have done nothing wrong. Get well soon and I hope someone deals with 'tag' before someone is killed.
 
does she not know how to write?

Ignore her - if she got sacked so what - she could have got you killed - delete from facebook and associate yourself with people who can read and write.
 
It is a sad situation, but being 'in shock' doesn't make you lie. She lied because she knew what she'd done was wrong and didn't want to take the consequences. I'm not impressed that the YO called you the morning after such a nasty accident and tears you off a strip before telling you she was 'seriously considering your position'. Perhaps it would have been more appropriate if she'd seriously considered her yard's health and safety rules and , perhaps, spent some time checking out the finer points of her insurance policy!!! I wonder if the helper had been told not to touch Tag ?

Don't give the FB comment another thought, except perhaps to report it and have it taken off.

Concentrate on getting yourself better. When you are feeling stronger you could perhaps ring the YO and sort out a meeting between all three of you to get things straight and prevent anything like this happening in the future. You don't need this aggro now, you need time to heal. Your employer needs a good kick up the backside and the sense to thank you for quick thinking that prevented a more serious incident.
 
Definitely not your fault. Take care of yourself before all, that's the most important thing :). Watch some good movies and try not to think too hard about that girl and her sister.
 
lol, thats why im on here :) and im in so much pain. i was meant to go see the inbetweeners film tomorrow and i cant now, im more gutted about that now :)

Her sister is really chavvy, shes only 23 and shes got 4 kids but the oldest is school age and she wont send him cos she thinks she can teach him better at home.

The girl is really nice but doesnt listen sometimes, she really tries so hard but sometimes she does it withut thinking. i know she was trying to help me because i had just said to her that we needed to get a move on because a couple of our boxes were a right mess and tag boxwalks and i reckon he saves up all his poo for night time. and i think she was genuinely trying to help me out.

YO is stressy and shouts alot. most of it you can take on the chin but because she is having alot of rows with her boyfriend at the moment and her horse went lame she has been extra cross. she threatend to sack me over one of the water drinkers running dry because a valve had snapped but you just have to get your head down and in half an hour she will be offering to make you a cup of tea.
 
As above and don't worry about it

Maybe if girl is nice enough you could call YO and explain that you didn't ask her to get Tag but you think she was trying to help and you don't blame her, see if you can rescue her job, if not forget about the family, (sounds delightful!) delete from FB and move on
 
the family sound delightful!

get yourself out of that job - YO is VERY unprofessional and what she is doing amounts to BULLYING something she CANNOT do under any circumstances!
 
If the girl is nice and she genuinely only said she didn't know what had happened, it was all really quick she hasn't really lied. More lied by ommision. Faced with a scary YO breathing down her neck it is probably understandable, if not necessarily commendable. Perhaps when you're feeling better the three of you could sit down and sort it out. Seems a shame she should lose her job because your YM is rowing with her bf!
 
I sypathise with you. I work some right eejits but they are all well meaning, just lack a little common sense upon occasion. Ignore the sister, get yourself fixed and use your time wisely.
 
Oh dear, what a mess! Sorry you ended up so badly hurt - especially when it was obviously avoidable. There are several ways play this, depending on what outcome you want.

If you want a peaceful resolution and want to come out of it as the reasonable adult, now your boss knows what happened, and if you want to make peace with the other girl and want to set the record straight, it could be an idea to ask for a meeting with your boss and the other girl. Talk it over, make it clear that you understand the other girl, although being naive, plain stupid or just not briefed properly on how to do things correctly, did nothing deliberately and that despite being injured you are prepared to put it behind you and move on once your have recovered and you hope that everyone can get back onto a good footing and continue to work together.

If it turns out that the other girl has been sacked, and if you think this is unfair, you could say to your boss when you meet with her that you wouldn't have wished for the girl to lose her job over it. This of course depends on your wanting to be magnanimous about it and you want to stay working there.

If you want the record straight, and don't mind if you stay there or not, and don't care what happens to the other girl, then I'd speak to your boss and say that what happened was no way your fault, that the other girl was totally irresponsible and that you want no further part of the yard.

Is there any insurance cover at work? Is it something you want to progress a claim for? Presumably you'll be off work for quite some time now - you at least should make sure that your pay is covered whilst you are off. There should be an accident book to record things like this. You may well need physio for your shoulder in future.

I wonder if your boss flew off the handle at you on the phone because she too was scared, and shocked at what had happened, and had only had the hysterical other girl's version, and that deep down she felt responsible for the lack of training / supervision / health & safety on her yard? An animal which feels cornered often attacks.. I wonder whether it was a wake up call for her and it freaked her out. Of course she shouldn't have spoken to you like that under the circumstances. Let's hope at least that she may tighten up the rules to stop this type of thing happening again. I'd certainly recommend you wear a crash hat when handling this horse, if not a body protector too.

With regard to the fb message. Either ignore it totally (and unfriend them), or reply saying that if the girl has been sacked it was nothing to do with anything you did or said. It must have been traumatic for her too but she did cause the accident and it isn't up to you to decide what the YO does about it.

Whatever you decided to do, I hope you make a speedy and full recovery. Of course it wasn't your fault, so don't doubt yourself on that front, and try not to be too upset of the fb stuff, people love to hid behind fb and send nasty messages; its a cowardly thing to do, and she obviously didn't have her facts straight anyway. Chin up :)
 
i am going to talk to YO later cos she is coming over to bring me some chocolates :) and im going to say what you have said. and that never in a million years would the girl have done it if she thought there would have been an accident.

She was told not to handle tag though, so was the other girl we work with, because he is such a strong horse. hes only just come out of a chifney because he is actually getting better. hes just a young horse whose had no real boundaries.i wouldnt blame him.
 
Poor you, hope you feel better soon. Your YO doesnt sound very pleasant. Shouting at all your emplyees isn't really the best way to acheive better productivity.

Ignore the sister she sounds a bit of a numpty. :p
 
Poor you, sounds like a nightmare

Make sure that you have put this in your accident book and if you are off work the HSE need informing.

Has the YO done risk assessments on dealing with this horse, she should have done. Also provided training to minimise the risk. Probably should have signs around the place too.

Something like this is not either your or the other girls fault unless the proper procedures are in place.

For example a horse like this would be a high risk of serious injury if something happened and a high likelyhood of it happening. If the YO cant control that risk the horse should not be in your workplace.

I see so many posts on here which show horse establishments think the H&S legislation doesn't apply.
 
I used to work with a girl like this. Well she was double my age, but just no common sense. Thankfully I was able to intervene before an injury happened :eek:
(She turned up to work so drunk/on something she couldn't even speak!!!)
But on a social level she was genuinely lovely and did stupid things at work without thinking because she thought she was helping you.

I would advise a meeting with ALL yard staff, so everyone can learn from this. You need to go through your health and safety, what horses should be handled by who, and which horses should be left for X person to deal with and under no circumstances are they touched by anyone else.

Everyone, inclluding the YO can learn something from this, and a meeting like this may be able to clear muddy waters with other things, clear up crossed wires etc before another injury happens.

I can see why your YO would threaten to sack her. I mean ok shes learnt her lesson and she was genuinely trying to help you out. However if she is that naive around horses, especially to think she can handle a horse like that, what more damage can she do :eek:

Your YO is a bully. End of. I think ringing you the morning after going to A and E is hugely unsympathetic and rude, and I would probibily tell her at this meeting how upset and angry you were when YOU got injured.

I would also ignore the FB comment. If it happens again, block the sister. She seems to forget that its YOU with a dislocated shoulder and cracked ribs!
 
Oh wow angelbones. thanks for that, its really helpful.

the girl just gets a bit over confident sometimes, she really loves working with the horses and she gets riding lessons through the yard and sometimes forgets just working at a yard doesnt make you an expert. but in a way im glad because its certainly a wake up call for her to just do what shes asked from now on cos a couple of times shes wanted to lead two horses at a time and stuff and ive said no because although i do it sometimes its only because i know which horses can be lead together and i know what to do should something go wrong. i know mucking out and sweeping and tack cleaning is boring but she will learn from it.

My boss isnt THAT bad. it sounds bad, but most of the times shes great, she just doesnt like things being done wrong or badly because shes really trying to prove herself.

PS i was wearing my hat, i always do for leading the horses :)
 
Look on the bright side, at least you can't actually read what the chavvy girl is saying about you as it doesn't appear to be in a recognisable language! I hope you heal well and quickly - remind your boss when you next see her that you need to sign off your accident in the official Accident Book, that may bring her up short.
 
Isn't working with horses a joy sometimes!

Just have a chat with YO, tell her exactly what happened and i'm sure it'll be fine. The girl has hopefully just learnt that things CAN and WILL go wrong if you ignore instructions that are in place for your own benefit and it makes no difference if she was trying to help or not.
 
GET YOURSELF A NEW JOB ASAP. You dont put yourself at risk handling known bargy/bolshy horses of that size that obviously need a lot of basic ground work, especially when the YO is obviously stressed out. Regardless of why YO is stressed out her behaviour is unprofessional and ultimately creating an unsafe working environment. There is no excuse for bringing "boyfriend" problems to work especially when you are in charge. The YO should be the one handlling Tag until his manners are well improved. I hope you get better soon. Take care.x
 
Dancing Queen said:
the family sound delightful!

get yourself out of that job - YO is VERY unprofessional and what she is doing amounts to BULLYING something she CANNOT do under any circumstances!
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This. Don't let yourself be pushed around. And certainly don't be intimidated by folk with such a limited grasp of the Queen's English ;)

Hope you feel better soon :)
 
jendie said:
It is a sad situation, but being 'in shock' doesn't make you lie. She lied because she knew what she'd done was wrong and didn't want to take the consequences. I'm not impressed that the YO called you the morning after such a nasty accident and tears you off a strip before telling you she was 'seriously considering your position'. Perhaps it would have been more appropriate if she'd seriously considered her yard's health and safety rules and , perhaps, spent some time checking out the finer points of her insurance policy!!! I wonder if the helper had been told not to touch Tag ?

Don't give the FB comment another thought, except perhaps to report it and have it taken off.

Concentrate on getting yourself better. When you are feeling stronger you could perhaps ring the YO and sort out a meeting between all three of you to get things straight and prevent anything like this happening in the future. You don't need this aggro now, you need time to heal. Your employer needs a good kick up the backside and the sense to thank you for quick thinking that prevented a more serious incident.
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I hope you get better very soom.
You need to report the sister to FB and then delete.
 
Totally. Not your fault! Block the girls moronic sister on FB-i had to read her message 3 times to understand her chav speak!
Take time out to get mended then have a chat with your YO, to be honest though she sounds pretty awful, perhaps you could peruse yard and groom etc for a new job while you're off!
 
Is tag a livery that's how I have taken it, speaking as ex owner of a horse that sounds exactly the same. My old boy that I had pts about 8-9 years ago was a 17.2 and a nightmare to ride and with leading just bolted off bucking out at handler or rear and boxed down on you :( he was bought this way the reason am telling you is because your boss sounds more like she cares for the livery money than het staff welfare :(
I went to ask for livery for my boy at a place I had previosly been a livery and worked at YO answer was she was very concerned that at best only 1-2 staff would manage him and she felt it was unfair to ask them to handle such a big dangerous horse, she then concluded he must have a chiffney every time and she had to speak to her staff. They reluctantly agreed to it and I had to be working on him for leading in and out.
I had only just bought the horse and after 6 months in a chiffney with firm boundaries he became a lamb to lead :) but the point is the YO put her staff safety first.
He did manage to break away and kick one of the staff while he was still in training and YO approached me to say staff are at risk and can I take over TO on certain days as she was not prepared to put her staff that are less confident with him at risk
Am afraid I would be looking for a new job as YO clearly doesn't value the staff :(
 
Azura said:
the girl just gets a bit over confident sometimes, she really loves working with the horses and she gets riding lessons through the yard and sometimes forgets just working at a yard doesnt make you an expert. but in a way im glad because its certainly a wake up call for her to just do what shes asked from now on cos a couple of times shes wanted to lead two horses at a time and stuff and ive said no because although i do it sometimes its only because i know which horses can be lead together and i know what to do should something go wrong. i know mucking out and sweeping and tack cleaning is boring but she will learn from it.

My boss isnt THAT bad. it sounds bad, but most of the times shes great, she just doesnt like things being done wrong or badly because shes really trying to prove herself.

PS i was wearing my hat, i always do for leading the horses :)
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Just a shame someone had to get hurt to learn the wake up call, however it probably is something that will stay with her for a very long time.
You've probably made working with this horse look relatively normal and could be why she's thought to lead it out.
I would also say have a word with the girl in a nice way to find out why she took the horse out, hoping it's not the case, but what if she was told to just take the horse out? (I've been round this, somethings happended that shouldn't have and is easily avoidable you ask why they thought they should do that 'because xxx told me to')

Well done you for wearing your hat to lead the horses out, it's probably something very few of us do (myself included), on a lighter note, you may want to consider a body protecter as well when leading!!!
 
Firstly the accident wasnt your fault.
I do believe the yard owner needs to take some responsibility for what happened, if someone takes in a horse like this they need to STRESS to be handled only by xy or z, not some vague "experienced" person, and the reasons behind this.
TBH to take in a horse like this id need to know the owner had some kind of training strategy in place to sort this bolshy boy out, as at the moment hes a bit of a ticking time bomb and it is going to go on until someone is killed.
Or pay for schooling livery to have his manners modified, he sounds like a groundwork job with serious training needed.
The girl sounds very young and possibly thought she was able to handle said horse, some folks dont like to aknowledge their limitations, everyone deserves a second chance, i bet she wont do anything like that again, easy for me to say ive not got your pain.
facebook stuff, block and ignore.
Yard owner needs to take responsibility for what shes taken in.
She also needs to take responsibility for you, was their a RA in place for handlng this lad, if not there should have been
 
many years age I was a groom where the YO was beyond a dragon. Girls where likely to tell to fibs about things that went wrong because of her very scary temper.
You where working for her,you are hurt it is at least in part her responsibity. I am now very lucky I run my own private yard no girl who works for me handles a difficult horse with out support or I do them myself.
Write down what happened to you while it is clear in your mind speak directly and calmly to the YO and explain what happened. she would be a fool to sack you for this and If she's got half a brain she will start supervising better and stop stressing about boyfriends and lame horses and realise that employing people is a serious business .
 
Pedantic said:
Could you decipher the txt for me as I cant understand it ?
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rite carly i jus want u 2 no dat u got ***** saked u **** n u ent herd da end of dis. she wos jus scrd dat u got hurt n wos in shok n now shes lst er dreem job u shud b propa ashamed ov urself hope it hurts.

Here goes,

Right Carly I just want you to know that you got *****sacked you haven't hear the end of this, she was scared that you got hurt and was in shock and now she's lost her dream job, you should be proper ashamed of yourself, hope it hurts.
i know I missed out the second lot of ***** assuming it's a swear word.
I struggle with these messages as well and really dislike when people use them.........do you know how long it took me to figure out IMO/IMHO/PMSL etc meant!!!!
 
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