DIY yards - BRING IN TIME

BubbleDog said:
Yes but that rule is in place to avoid the odd time when someone is genuinely held up and cannot get to the yard in order to avoid the horse in question having an accident. It is not in place to facilitate some liveries holding others over a barrell to get a free bring in service on a daily basis.
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But this is your take on the matter because it does not suit you - i.e. your a 2 horse owner not a 1 horse owner - and again i think you are unfair on assuming she is intentionally holding a barrell over others for a free bring in service.

All i will say more on the matter is think about how you approach the ym and the terms you use as you may find yourself the unpopular one.
 
Gingerwitch said:
But this is your take on the matter because it does not suit you - i.e. your a 2 horse owner not a 1 horse owner - and again i think you are unfair on assuming she is intentionally holding a barrell over others for a free bring in service.

All i will say more on the matter is think about how you approach the ym and the terms you use as you may find yourself the unpopular one.
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I'm not really worried about that to be honest with you. I am quite clear about the fact that I am not going to be used as a free bring in service 7 days a week for someone who could pay to have their horse brought in and does have other options available to them but who chooses not to take them.
 
BubbleDog said:
I'm not really worried about that to be honest with you. I am quite clear about the fact that I am not going to be used as a free bring in service 7 days a week for someone who could pay to have their horse brought in and does have other options available to them but who chooses not to take them.
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Well dont be surprised if your asked to leave then, approach a couple of ym's that i know with those sentiments and that is exactly what you would be told.
 
Gingerwitch said:
Well dont be surprised if your asked to leave then, approach a couple of ym's that i know with those sentiments and that is exactly what you would be told.
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I am perfectly entitled to stand up for myself and I am happy to put my concerns to the yard manager. And I don't feel that I am being in any way unfair to the other person at all.

You clearly don't have anything constructive to add to this conversation so why don't you butt out of it like you said that you were going to a few comments ago.
 
Does this person even know it's always the same person bringing her horse in? She may think the task is being shared out.
I don't think I've seen anywhere that you've approached her about it so I think you are being rather harsh on someone who may not even realise there is an 'issue'
 
little_critter said:
Does this person even know it's always the same version bringing her horse in? She may think the task is being shared out.
I don't think I've seen anywhere that you've approached her about it so I think you are being rather harsh on someone who may not even realise there is an 'issue'
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Sorry you obviously haven't read the whole string.
 
Now you are just being rude. Yes I have read the whole thread. Maybe I've forgotten something because it's been running for a couple of days. Which bit have I got wrong?
 
Gingerwitch said:
Well dont be surprised if your asked to leave then, approach a couple of ym's that i know with those sentiments and that is exactly what you would be told.
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That really does surprise me. I have been injured having to bring in someone's rude horse so now will not do it. I do now have my own yard so have that luxury. I am a firm believer though that if your work pattern doesn't fit within reasonable turnout/bring in then you should have your horse on assisted/part livery. I would be happy to help out someone in an emergency, or on a like for like basis, if it is a horse I know and am comfortable handling, but wouldn't be happy about having to do it every day. That's what livery is for... Nor would I dream of asking anyone to bring mine in - mine are happy in the field alone, I spent time conditioning them that being alone isn't an issue.
 
Seriously, latest posts would happily double a 10 minute walk for the whole year as the owner can't arrange to be there or have someone bring in for her. She has approached the owner and had her head bitten off - read the thread!

Op you have every right to do only your own horses, approach YM and go from there. As I said before I get YM to bring in yours for a few days, see how she then handles the free loader.
 
Actually bubbledog and i havent read the last few pages but i agree with Gingerwitch, this owner might get stuck in traffic on the way home, held back by her boss and cant get out of it, but has too much pride to say so or is to scared, i am a 50yo tough chick who calls a spade a spade but with your last reply to Gingerwitch I might also be a bit scared of you, lol, you will be the first though, lol

If horse is easy to lead in cant you bring all 3 in, ride one of yours and lead 2, or just be a complete (use your own term) and leave it out and tell the YO.
 
postputasocinit said:
Actually bubbledog and i havent read the last few pages but i agree with Gingerwitch, this owner might get stuck in traffic on the way home, held back by her boss and cant get out of it, but has too much pride to say so or is to scared, i am a 50yo tough chick who calls a spade a spade but with your last reply to Gingerwitch I might also be a bit scared of you, lol, you will be the first though, lol

If horse is easy to lead in cant you bring all 3 in, ride one of yours and lead 2, or just be a complete (use your own term) and leave it out and tell the YO.
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fGS, how many times does she have to say it's not once or twice it's every night! Why should she ride and lead.

Op has lots of support from those who have their horses to relax, don't put upon others, don't expect numpties to put on them.
 
PollyP99 said:
Seriously, latest posts would happily double a 10 minute walk for the whole year as the owner can't arrange to be there or have someone bring in for her. She has approached the owner and had her head bitten off - read the thread!

Op you have every right to do only your own horses, approach YM and go from there. As I said before I get YM to bring in yours for a few days, see how she then handles the free loader.
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I wasn't suggesting I'd be happy doing this for a whole year, I was saying the other person may not be aware of the issue. I had read the whole thread but over a couple of days, now going back I see the bit where she approached the owner.
Fine, speak to the YO but hopefully not with the 'attitude' you are currently displaying.
 
PollyP99 said:
Seriously, latest posts would happily double a 10 minute walk for the whole year as the owner can't arrange to be there or have someone bring in for her. She has approached the owner and had her head bitten off - read the thread!
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Yes I would and indeed have done so in the past. I have had a horse run through a fence and badly injure itself, so I wouldn't have even thought to approach the owner saying that I was unhappy. I would do the best thing for the horse.
 
PollyP99 said:
fGS, how many times does she have to say it's not once or twice it's every night! Why should she ride and lead.

Op has lots of support from those who have their horses to relax, don't put upon others, don't expect numpties to put on them.
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Thank you PollyP99
 
Faracat said:
Yes I would and indeed have done so in the past. I have had a horse run through a fence and badly injure itself, so I wouldn't have even thought to approach the owner saying that I was unhappy. I would do the best thing for the horse.
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But that's the point right you agreed to do this, you had the time etc this owner has not made this arrangement and that's all she needs to do, work out a way of managing HER horse, not just leave it to someone else withiut prior agreement.
 
Oh dear, i hope you find a solution and i mean that, will go back and read the posts i have missed, runs and hides
 
Fides said:
That really does surprise me. I have been injured having to bring in someone's rude horse so now will not do it. I do now have my own yard so have that luxury. I am a firm believer though that if your work pattern doesn't fit within reasonable turnout/bring in then you should have your horse on assisted/part livery. I would be happy to help out someone in an emergency, or on a like for like basis, if it is a horse I know and am comfortable handling, but wouldn't be happy about having to do it every day. That's what livery is for... Nor would I dream of asking anyone to bring mine in - mine are happy in the field alone, I spent time conditioning them that being alone isn't an issue.
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Yes Fides there is this issue as well, as well as the issue of not being covered insurance wise which was raised by one or two other people which is very relevant and could have been a factor for you when you were injured too. I agree and have said many time that I am happy to help someone occasionally or do the odd favour but it is beyond anyone I believe to feel happy about doing this every day, and when you factor in the risk of accident as well as the fact that during winter I would be doing this extra 20 minute walk (10 mins each way) in the rain as well it is plainly ridiculous.
 
I hate this about DIY. Despite my best efforts to train him to cope alone If my horse is last out he brings him self in, he jumps the gate😒
Mon-Fri YO brings in for me which I pay for but she doesn't offer this at weekends. There is no bring in time so I have to rely on the other liveries letting me know what time they are bringing theirs in and rush up there. He is a good boy to bring in but two of the other liveries won't bring him in because they say they are not confident with big horses. It is stressful but we have winter turnout, great hacking and an indoor school so I just manage as best I can.
 
We are not talking about an unreasonable time of night - we are moaning that the field is not cleared by 5/6pm - sorry but the vast majority of folks are still at work or travelling home at this time.

Lets just hope the OP never finds herself as a one horse owner or one is on long term box rest and then has to jump through others hoops.
 
PollyP99 said:
But that's the point right you agreed to do this, you had the time etc this owner has not made this arrangement and that's all she needs to do, work out a way of managing HER horse, not just leave it to someone else withiut prior agreement.
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OK, if I was the OP, I would just have brought the last horse in and would have done so every day. The yard rule is 'no horse left alone' and I think it's a good rule, so I would abide by it. It does bother the OP though, so i hope that she finds a solution.
 
Gingerwitch said:
We are not talking about an unreasonable time of night - we are moaning that the field is not cleared by 5/6pm - sorry but the vast majority of folks are still at work or travelling home at this time.

Lets just hope the OP never finds herself as a one horse owner or one is on long term box rest and then has to jump through others hoops.
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In this instance I am sure she would do what any normal, responsible owner would do and arrange for hers to be bought in.

Seriously, I work many miles from my yard, I would NEVER just shrug and think if I can't get there someone else should bring her in, not my problem. I arrange cover, I really struggle with the suggestion she should just bring someone else's horse in daily, I really find the attitude shocking.

Incidentally many horses come in at 3 on my yard, I gave a 55 mile commute so struggle with that! so I'm not speaking as an early arrived at all. I deal with it though!

Weve all done the odd favour but daily, just rude and irresponsible.
 
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Have fantastic arrangement with fellow livery. She turns out and I get in. As my lad can be a handful in the winter, I would not be happy with anyone else bringing in as he can rear and spin if weather bad. I have brought in another horse when owner is running late. We all text each other in the winter to make sure all horses are in at same time. In OP situation, if it was same horse every day, adding 20 minutes to my time, as long trek to and from field, then I would speak to owner and say its too much work and she needed to make other arrangements. If she does nt make a stand now, this could go on for years. Its not fair.
 
exracehorse said:
Have fantastic arrangement with fellow livery. She turns out and I get in. As my lad can be a handful in the winter, I would not be happy with anyone else bringing in as he can rear and spin if weather bad. I have brought in another horse when owner is running late. We all text each other in the winter to make sure all horses are in at same time. In OP situation, if it was same horse every day, adding 20 minutes to my time, as long trek to and from field, then I would speak to owner and say its too much work and she needed to make other arrangements. If she does nt make a stand now, this could go on for years. Its not fair.
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Totally
 
PollyP99 said:
In this instance I am sure she would do what any normal, responsible owner would do and arrange for hers to be bought in.

Seriously, I work many miles from my yard, I would NEVER just shrug and think if I can't get there someone else should bring her in, not my problem. I arrange cover, I really struggle with the suggestion she should just bring someone else's horse in daily, I really find the attitude shocking.

Weve all done the odd favour but daily, just rude and irresponsible.
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Yes, PollyP99 that's exactly what I would do - pay the yard to do it on my behalf. I currently do help others at my yard. A family with 5 to bring in with 3 of them across a road. If only 1 of the family is there I always offer to help them as I know full well it is going to be difficult and dangerous for them. But this is infrequent and they are always grateful and offer to do something to repay me (even though I don't take them up on this as I am not doing it for a return favour). But the other situation is completely different and yes, PollyP99 I find it really shocking too. If I only had 1 horse (and there was a time when I did) I wouldn't dream of leaving it for someone else to do on a daily basis, and if there was even a risk that I couldn't get there in time I would pay the yard to do it.
 
exracehorse said:
Have fantastic arrangement with fellow livery. She turns out and I get in. As my lad can be a handful in the winter, I would not be happy with anyone else bringing in as he can rear and spin if weather bad. I have brought in another horse when owner is running late. We all text each other in the winter to make sure all horses are in at same time. In OP situation, if it was same horse every day, adding 20 minutes to my time, as long trek to and from field, then I would speak to owner and say its too much work and she needed to make other arrangements. If she does nt make a stand now, this could go on for years. Its not fair.
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That's lovely if you can find someone to share things out with and does make life much easier. What you have said in last line is exactly what is on my mind - that if I don't do something now it will go on forever and that's not on.
 
DIY turnout times can be such a minefield. Hope you get a resolution OP, I would be happy doing it occasionally but certainly not every night. Particularly when you have 2 to look after, time is precious enough. I had a nightmare at a previous yard, we were on part livery but this was either a turnout or a bring in daily so some juggling was required. My problem was my mare was in the DIY field and the times they brought their horses in were so random from day to day. The yard also had a no horse left alone policy and I would always bring mine plus the last one in (one was notoriously a pain in the backside to catch), however I found it rare that the courtesy was returned. No excuse there, I got there at half 5 every night and there were staff on site until 9 (was also a riding school) so there was always someone to help bring her in if they had asked (I would have been charged but rather that than being left in a field where she was unable to see any others and was quite far from the yard). Luckily she was fairly sane about it and would just shout a lot.
I'd never just leave them out for the sake of it being an inconvenience but if repeatedly occuring I'd not think twice to get the YO to speak to the owner to make a more considerate arrangement.
 
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