DIY yards - BRING IN TIME

That's exactly my feeling on the matter GW, the horse comes first - they can't help it if their owner is a twonk or works late.

ETA - B9, no-one mentioned looking after the horse, just bringing it in and popping it in it's stable.
 
Faracat- To my mind that is still caring for that horse, it is taking up the OPs time and is not something she is happy with doing every day
Yeah its not the biggest/ most time consuming thing in the world but neither is paying livery staff whose job it is to do things for the horses when the owner cannot
 
I wouldn't mind on occasions but if it's every night, then I think the owner needs to come to a proper arrangement either with other liveries or pay for a bringing in service.
 
So why doesnt the YO just step in and get the horse brought in and charge livery and no one has to be involved, maybe YO needs to be rminded of this in a nice way, hopefully OP will do it when they have their chat
 
Personally I think that it shouldn't be my job to do somebody else's horses, I understand if it is an emergency and they've missed a bus or something and call, I wouldn't mind helping them out - but if it's a recurring thing they should pay to have YO do it as its just cheek. It's one of those things that you shouldn't have to do it if it's somebody elses job, but if the horse is stressed or getting wet, I would feel sorry for the poor thing and probably end up bringing them in anyway
 
We are very lucky on our yard - all DIY, 15 ish horses. There is a chap who will bring in at short notice (eg just text him if you are running late) for a couple of quid, but by and large we all help each other out, as none of us want to see any of the horses left alone doing their nut! We talk, text, have group FB convos and sort it out! Non horsey YO fave quote is 'You are all adults, you should be able to work it out yourselves!' although he will step in and have a word when needed, which tbh is very rarely. Love our yard!!
 
Gingerwitch said:
Good lord - no wonder diy is such a minefield with you and the op out there - its just ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME - who on earth would want to be on a yard with either of you.
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Hopefully not someone like yourself or the original feckless owner :D

TBH I am also not going to baulk at helping someone in true occasional need but it's plain daft to allow yourself to be used like this, my free time is precious, my horse time more so, an everyday extra 20 minutes is time i could be riding/home to family , I value my time highly, everyone should.
 
So now you are saying that those people who are happy to help out others, don't value their time enough, IE they should be more selfish?
 
Faracat said:
So now you are saying that those people who are happy to help out others, don't value their time enough, IE they should be more selfish?
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Some people take pleasure in it I guess and don't feel taken advantage of but not everyone is like that. If I only had, say an hour, at the yard I wouldn't appreciate having to bring in someone else's every day. That could potentially mean no time for riding :(
 
Faracat said:
So now you are saying that those people who are happy to help out others, don't value their time enough, IE they should be more selfish?
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Ugh, no not at all, I just said I would and do help others but I don't offer catch services, I ride my horse and rush home to my family, I do think time is valuable and still don't see why op should give up 20 minutes a day just because someone can't get their own lives in order.

This is really a repetitive thread, there are those who think owner is taking the pee, there are those who don't mind this( I get that) there are those who have said the op is at fault ( that's the one I struggle with the most)we agree to disagree and Op will sort it out as best she can.
 
What is this enormous deal with leaving a horse on its own?? Surely if you do it often enough, the horse just shuts up and gets on with it? I've never in my life had a horse that could not be left in a field on its own, though one or to took a day or two to get used to it.

I'm so glad I'm not in livery any more!
 
OP, have you actually sat down with the owner and talked calmly with her, and maybe tried to arrange something? You are coming across here that your mind is closed to any suggestion you dont like, you seem to be seeing your point of view but not looking at it from any other angle. You are very lucky to have 2 horses so you will not get into the predigament that other owners have, but, if the time comes and you only have one, that has issues with being left alone, would you be happy if it was left out?
Otherwise, maybe a chat with your YO, to say you have a problem with the set up of bringing in, and could they please step in.
 
cptrayes said:
What is this enormous deal with leaving a horse on its own?? Surely if you do it often enough, the horse just shuts up and gets on with it? I've never in my life had a horse that could not be left in a field on its own, though one or to took a day or two to get used to it.

I'm so glad I'm not in livery any more!
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As I said earlier, most horses will settle down - some go blind panic and come through gate/fence whatever is in their way. A horse on our yard was left out alone last week and came *through* a 5bar metal gate and wooden fencing - he has no skin left on his stifles or hind cannons, and has skinned the back of his front cannons too. Obviously lame and now out for certainly the first half of the season if not more.

And he was lucky - a friends pony mare last year ended up in the same situation and caught her hock when halfway over the gate, and both punctured the joint and fractured it. Obv pts.

Most horses will eventually get used to it, but there are some who go into a blind panic and will hurt themselves badly getting out. When it's your own horse, you can leave them and monitor how they get on for example - fair enough. When it is someone else's horse being left alone, not monitored, and then killing themselves coming out for owner to come up to find, it's unacceptable.

When I worked on a livery yard doing full livery, we knew which horses could cope being out alone and those who couldn't. Those who would cope alone so long as they could at least see others where in the majority, but we always had a few individuals who would have gone into a panic if left alone, and so we made sure they were in and out with company.
 
Mine doesn't panic as such, I don't believe she would go through the fence but she will run up and down the fence line and in winter the YO would be seething at the trench she would create. Hence why I've made an arrangement with a fellow livery ref bring in / turn out.
Also with mine it's not just an issue if she is the last out; in winter once horses start to come in she wants to come in too - regardless of whether there are others out that she can see.
 
If an owner doesn't ever want there horse left a lone they should buy a 2nd! Its not up to yard owner or other liveries to worry about someone else's horse. Either teach your horse to get use to their own company or buy and pay for 2nd one! I have my own yard and I expect all horses to be ok on there own if required.
 
little_critter said:
Mine doesn't panic as such, I don't believe she would go through the fence but she will run up and down the fence line and in winter the YO would be seething at the trench she would create. Hence why I've made an arrangement with a fellow livery ref bring in / turn out.
Also with mine it's not just an issue if she is the last out; in winter once horses start to come in she wants to come in too - regardless of whether there are others out that she can see.
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You must have my mare's identical twin! She is just the same.
When spring comes round I have to manage her carefully until she is settled with being out but once the weather turns she just paces up and down shouting to come in as soon as anyone arrived at the yard.
I too have an arrangement with a few other liveries (good friends) who will bring her in if she's pacing. She gets so bad she is white foam sweat under a rug or even when turned out naked and creates an awesome ditch that the WW2 trench diggers would be proud of!
It's just a good thing I have an agreement with other liveries that they will get her in when she is being a PITA!!!!!
 
No horse is ever left alone on our yard unless they want to face the wrath of the YO. All liveries will bring the last one in automatically and have never known a yard where to ignore a lone horse was acceptable.

However, I never know what time the mare's will come in, in winter it can be anything between 12 and 4pm. It's a PITA, because I can't ride the gelding as I don't know when the mares will start coming in and some days have hung around for 2 hours just waiting so that my mare has as much turnout as possible.
 
cptrayes said:
What is this enormous deal with leaving a horse on its own?? Surely if you do it often enough, the horse just shuts up and gets on with it? I've never in my life had a horse that could not be left in a field on its own, though one or to took a day or two to get used to it.

I'm so glad I'm not in livery any more!
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This.

However, it's something that is much easier taught to them when they are young. If a mature horse has never been turned out alone, it will be a huge shock to it to suddenly be expected to do without equine company.

I make sure that all of mine, including the 3 yo, are turned out alone occasionally. I appreciate though, that having my own yard makes it much easier for me to jiggle horses' turnout around.
 
a) I am gobsmacked that people are attacking the OP for her stance on this - the other person is totally taking the mick out of your goodwill if this is an every day occurance, and is just expected at that!

b) I am gobsmacked that people have such an opinion on this yet cannot be bothered to read the whole thread!
 
montanna said:
a) I am gobsmacked that people are attacking the OP for her stance on this - the other person is totally taking the mick out of your goodwill if this is an every day occurance, and is just expected at that!

b) I am gobsmacked that people have such an opinion on this yet cannot be bothered to read the whole thread!
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I'm not against the OP taking a stance on this, just I feel some of her responses on here to what seem to be reasonable posts have been rather narky and this has put my back up.
I'm totally with OP in that she should speak to the YO to resolve the issue, I just hope she doesn't go in all guns blazing.
 
Wouldn't you be narky? If you were being used as a free service, taking 20 mins out of your day, DAILY, without so much as a thank you?

People also aren't reading the entire thread, she keeps having to repeat herself, so yes I would be getting a little irritated at that too!

I really hope you can get things resolved OP :)
 
montanna said:
Wouldn't you be narky? If you were being used as a free service, taking 20 mins out of your day, DAILY, without so much as a thank you?

People also aren't reading the entire thread, she keeps having to repeat herself, so yes I would be getting a little irritated at that too!

I really hope you can get things resolved OP :)
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I would be irritated at the situation but I wouldn't take it out on people making reasonable replies to her thread.
This thread has been running for several days - I'm afraid I missed / forgot one bit and got a rude response to my post, rather than OP correcting me.
 
little_critter said:
I would be irritated at the situation but I wouldn't take it out on people making reasonable replies to her thread.
This thread has been running for several days - I'm afraid I missed / forgot one bit and got a rude response to my post, rather than OP correcting me.
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Can't see a rude response myself? The OP just said that you obviously hadn't read the whole thread, which you admitted you had, but had forgot? Not rude, just fact no? When the OP has taken time to explain the situation/answer others questions/respond to ideas etc and then the same questions are asked it does get a little tiresome!
 
montanna said:
Can't see a rude response myself? The OP just said that you obviously hadn't read the whole thread, which you admitted you had, but had forgot? Not rude, just fact no? When the OP has taken time to explain the situation/answer others questions/respond to ideas etc and then the same questions are asked it does get a little tiresome!
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It felt unjustly abrupt. If she was that cheesed off with repeat questions then she could have ignored my post.
 
Tiddlypom said:
This.

However, it's something that is much easier taught to them when they are young. If a mature horse has never been turned out alone, it will be a huge shock to it to suddenly be expected to do without equine company.

I make sure that all of mine, including the 3 yo, are turned out alone occasionally. I appreciate though, that having my own yard makes it much easier for me to jiggle horses' turnout around.
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It was a four year old on our yard who knackered himself coming over/through the gate when left alone.

I agree it is often about teaching them, and getting them used to it (in most cases), but there are some horses who would absolutely panic, and it is very unfair to the HORSE (owner abusing situation is another story and I do agree that that isn't on) to be left alone when owner is not around as it could lead to a horrible scenario.

My horse is absolutely fine alone - might stand at the gate or call a little but he's fine. I have told people he is fine to leave alone. However I accept that there are some horses in his field who, if last out, I would always have to bring in as it would be dangerous to leave them alone.

That's where it comes down to knowing the horses - and in a DIY setting I think it perfectly fair to have a blanket rule on no horse being left alone. Better than the alternative.

I do agree if happening all the time, then the owner should be paying someone to bring in the horse though, if not arranging an alternate 'I turn out you bring in' with another livery.
 
Presumably - given the 20 min round trip the horse in question is already doing ok for this time on it's own though so leaving it out could be a possibility in this instance. Essentially it all just needs talking about so that something can be sorted so everyone stays happy.
 
little_critter said:
I'm not against the OP taking a stance on this, just I feel some of her responses on here to what seem to be reasonable posts have been rather narky and this has put my back up.
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Ditto.

Also the fact that people are ignoring half the facts we were given, the OP said in her original post that their are two people regularly late so that would suggest to me that it is not OPs problem everyday.

If it were an everyday problem then yes I would be miffed, but equally if I was new to a yard I would try and reach an amicable solution.

There are a large contingent saying the other livery is being unreasonable and basically sponging, however without hearing from them we cannot fully judge. The other livery might have been on the yard for years abiding by these pre-existing rules, she might well already have offered to bring in one of the OPs horses so that OP doesn't have to bring hers in, or offered to turn OPs horses out for her. We don't know, and therefore I don't think we should be so judgemental.
 
BubbleDog said:
I fully appreciate the usual yard policy of no single horses left out on their own but at the same time but often the last horse is the same old last horse and am mindful that this policy of no horse left out on it's own can be milked by people not turning up on time but being able to rely on the fact that some other poor livery will have to fetch their horse in for them..
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Yes I was on a yard where this happened. I was working there at the time and this individual used to not turn up and the yard would get there horse in for them. Then they would turn up and be in total delight and gratitude that the staff had got their horse in for them. I got so fed up with it in the end that when I was on shift I used to put their horses name on the board against B/I (bring in) so they would be charged for it.
 
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