DIY yards - BRING IN TIME

horsefeed said:
If an owner doesn't ever want there horse left a lone they should buy a 2nd! Its not up to yard owner or other liveries to worry about someone else's horse. Either teach your horse to get use to their own company or buy and pay for 2nd one! I have my own yard and I expect all horses to be ok on there own if required.
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So now people need to be rich enough to have two?

What ever happened to helping out your fellow liveries? Having camaraderie on the yard? Doing the right thing for the horses or just following the yard rules (eg in this case, no horse left alone)?
 
Lizzie66 said:
Ditto.

The other livery might have been on the yard for years abiding by these pre-existing rules, she might well already have offered to bring in one of the OPs horses so that OP doesn't have to bring hers in, or offered to turn OPs horses out for her. We don't know, and therefore I don't think we should be so judgemental.
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In one of her posts the OP said that everyone had moved onto the yard at the same time as it had been closed, so I don't think this is the case...
 
Faracat said:
What ever happened to helping out your fellow liveries? Having camaraderie on the yard? Doing the right thing for the horses or just following the yard rules (eg in this case, no horse left alone)?
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There is nothing wrong with helping out your fellow liveries.

But happened to DIyIf you can't do it yourself (and I'm not talking the odd time) that's what assisted and part livery are for. Someone who is guaranteed not to be able to turn out/bring in their horse every day shouldn't have them on DIY. Some peoples' lifestyles don't fit with DIY so they should have their horses on part/assisted livery.
 
Faracat said:
So now people need to be rich enough to have two?

What ever happened to helping out your fellow liveries? Having camaraderie on the yard? Doing the right thing for the horses or just following the yard rules (eg in this case, no horse left alone)?
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I have run a yard now for 10 years and its not always the case but the majority of the time, its 1 person with 1 problem horse that either can not be left in the field or turn up repeatedly late so that either me or a livery has to bring it horse in. I am afraid its up to the owner to take responsibility to either teach horse to be on its own or to buy a companion, its not down to me as yard owner and its certainly not up to a livery to bring horse in. DIY is exactly that and I run a DIY yard which makes it the OWNER'S responsibility!! That said I am all for helping out fellow liveries and doing odd days etc when people are away on holiday but if you need horse regularly brought in etc go to a yard with Part or full livery. If I was OP I would be very miffed off with bringing other horses in and as YO I would be telling owner to do it themselves, teach horse to be on its own, buy a companion or find an alternative part livery yard.
 
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Maybe the fact that I've never been on a DIY yard that offered services or assisted livery has affected my stance on this? We had to cooperate and help each other out because there was no alternative.
 
Faracat said:
Maybe the fact that I've never been on a DIY yard that offered services or assisted livery has affected my stance on this? We had to cooperate and help each other out because there was no alternative.
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Oh when I said that someone should pay for assisted or part livery I meant that if they couldn't do true DIY then they should move to a yard that suits their lifestyle. I've found there are more yards now offering assisted service than there are DIY. Or maybe that's just where I am.

DIY is great in that everyone helps each other out but there does always seem to be one on every yard that takes advantage of others' good natures. And if the other liveries complain they always seem to be accused of being mean spirited :(
 
WelshD said:
I don't see why the panic at some yards of a lone horse being out....maybe I am daft but to me they should be able to cope
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A pony at our yard came through the fence after being left out alone and received dreadful injuries, lacerated legs and a huge splinter of wood impaled through his chest. Although many ponies are fine if left alone the majority would be upset by being left - they ARE herd animals remember.. Bringing someone's horse in literally takes minutes and I personally don't mind doing it, i'd rather do that than have the guilt of an injured animal on my conscience.
 
Same here, and I have both turned out and bought in horses where the owner would never even think to return the favour because that is what is best for the horse, but at the same time I guess if it becomes expected of you then that could grate.

I admit I haven't been keeping up with this thread but was it ever established why the YO couldn't bring in the horse and charge the livery? Would save a lot of angst
 
I have my mare on full livery as I can't get down all the time due to working 2 jobs!

Maybe I should put her on DIY and leave her for others to sort out for free if this behaviour is so acceptable! Hell, where's the camaraderie after all!

What a complete JOKE. If you can't get down to sort out your own horse, you pay someone else to do it, not sponge off someone elses goodwill!!

Never heard such a crock of *****e in all my life.
 
It really does consistently surprise me that horses are not taught to remain in a field on their own. OP I think you have just cause to be hacked off. I certainly wouldn't be bringing the someone else's horse in every night if I were a DIYer. Her horse is not your responsibility and I'm surprised so many people seem to think it is, but then I think it's a stupid rule myself.
 
Spring Feather said:
It really does consistently surprise me that horses are not taught to remain in a field on their own.
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A lot of horses are fine if they are turned out alone, however will start creating when they have had company but they are taken away. I personally wouldn't want any horse of mine out on its own, so not something I would teach them?

In any case, this is irrelevant as it's certainly not down to the OP to train other's horses into staying out alone!
 
flojo said:
A pony at our yard came through the fence after being left out alone and received dreadful injuries, lacerated legs and a huge splinter of wood impaled through his chest. Although many ponies are fine if left alone the majority would be upset by being left - they ARE herd animals remember.. Bringing someone's horse in literally takes minutes and I personally don't mind doing it, i'd rather do that than have the guilt of an injured animal on my conscience.
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A couple of people have quoted me but missed the bit where I said if a horse cannot cope alone then the owner should make sure its not the last one left out

Its all very well to say its simple to bring someone's horse in but what if they are tricky to catch, bad mannered to lead, barge through the door of their stable?

Team work is one thing but time is precious especially in the winter and no one should be bound by a rule that says they must do something - volunteering is quite another matter. If the yard owners do not want a lone horse left out perhaps they should bring it in?
 
Spring Feather said:
It really does consistently surprise me that horses are not taught to remain in a field on their own. OP I think you have just cause to be hacked off. I certainly wouldn't be bringing the someone else's horse in every night if I were a DIYer. Her horse is not your responsibility and I'm surprised so many people seem to think it is, but then I think it's a stupid rule myself.
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I don't think it's the op's responsibility to bring the horse in every night, but equally I 100% believe horses shouldn't be left out alone. Teaching a horse to be out alone is fine if you have your own land and regime and time to do it, but it's not someone else's place to teach your horse by removing their companions. Plus, some horses really do panic!
 
When I had my own yard i had mostly full liveries, but I did have four diys. I brought my full liveries and my own horses in at 6, but my diys could do as they pleased. I was lucky enough to have enough land that I didn't ever have to restrict turnout, which did make a difference. And I made sure the diys were in a field next to my two youngsters and two grass liveries, so they were never left entirely alone.

I am now a livery myself on a large mixed yard. The diys are out in two herds - one mares field one geldings. In the winter, horses must be in by 2pm which is a pain for me as I work. I just paid the head girl a set sum each month and she did it for me. All she did was sling him into his box which was ready with bed, haylage and water. I then groomed, exercised, skipped out, changed rugs and put to bed when I got up in the evening.
 
I go mad if someone brings my horse in. I will b there if she needs bringing in, I decide when she comes in, no one else. So what if she's last out, if she gets a bit stressed I'm not gonna pander to her and instantly go get her. That's how horses end up incapable of doing anything alone.
I'm the only person on my yard who can take my horse anywhere and do anything alone, that's not a coincidence!
I dont getpeople bring in at ridiculous times, generally on a lovely sunny day when the sun doesn't set till after 7, they bring in at 4!!?! I'll never understand it.

As a rule, unless someone had asked u to, then don't do it! They might be like me, secretly thinking thanks but no thanks.
 
The problem or benefit with being on a yard is having to bend around other people - it is a compulsory compromise of DIY livery.

I wouldn't be altering my routine to suit other people, nor would I be bringing other peoples' horses in on their behalf. I don't think I could ever deal with being on a DIY livery yard, or having horses that are physically incapable of staying in the field by themselves.
 
WelshD said:
A couple of people have quoted me but missed the bit where I said if a horse cannot cope alone then the owner should make sure its not the last one left out

Its all very well to say its simple to bring someone's horse in but what if they are tricky to catch, bad mannered to lead, barge through the door of their stable?

Team work is one thing but time is precious especially in the winter and no one should be bound by a rule that says they must do something - volunteering is quite another matter. If the yard owners do not want a lone horse left out perhaps they should bring it in?
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100% this!!
 
montanna said:
I have my mare on full livery as I can't get down all the time due to working 2 jobs!

Maybe I should put her on DIY and leave her for others to sort out for free if this behaviour is so acceptable! Hell, where's the camaraderie after all!

What a complete JOKE. If you can't get down to sort out your own horse, you pay someone else to do it, not sponge off someone elses goodwill!!

Never heard such a crock of *****e in all my life.
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Ha, when I was supporting the OP these last few days I was told no yard would want me or the OP as liveries, thank Goodness you lot have turned up, I thought I was going mad or the others were in a parallel happy clappy DIY commune.
 
I'm not a hippy, but I'm beginning to feel that I'm in the minority as someone who would give a few minutes of their time to help a fellow livery. Quite sad really.
 
PollyP99 said:
Ha, when I was supporting the OP these last few days I was told no yard would want me or the OP as liveries, thank Goodness you lot have turned up, I thought I was going mad or the others were in a parallel happy clappy DIY commune.
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I work soooo hard to afford my horse. Including cleaning offices at night. Youngest child is 8 so, school runs to fit in as well. I do share turn out and get in with another livery which works. I do help out with other liveries if needed. I dont like to see a horse alone in a field. Would I put myself out even more and spend an extra 20 minutes a day to walk long distance to field from stable? Like hell ...
 
Faracat said:
I'm not a hippy, but I'm beginning to feel that I'm in the minority as someone who would give a few minutes of their time to help a fellow livery. Quite sad really.
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No, I think most decent people would give up a few minutes here and there to help out fellow liveries. I certainly would and do ( willingly)

What I will not be is an unpaid groom for someone who can't accept they have a responsibility to their horse. That is just called being a mug.
 
We have the same policy at our yard - no horse to be left out on its own. I don't mind this, I always gave my self 20 mins extra than I need in case I had to do an extra trip to the field. If I knew my horse would be last out and I wanted her in late I would pre-arrange for my friend to leave her horse out and I would get them.

However, one lady used to royally take the micky. She was always last one down and every one always used to bring her horse in, so when another livery came down after her, rather than her bringing in her horse, the other horse she was supposed to bring in and the last one (so 3 in total) she left hers out for other livery to get! Funnily enough she is no longer a livery after a few people mentioned this to YO and she had words.
 
PollyP99 said:
Ha, when I was supporting the OP these last few days I was told no yard would want me or the OP as liveries, thank Goodness you lot have turned up, I thought I was going mad or the others were in a parallel happy clappy DIY commune.
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ihatework said:
No, I think most decent people would give up a few minutes here and there to help out fellow liveries. I certainly would and do ( willingly)

What I will not be is an unpaid groom for someone who can't accept they have a responsibility to their horse. That is just called being a mug.
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Absolutely
 
Faracat said:
I'm not a hippy, but I'm beginning to feel that I'm in the minority as someone who would give a few minutes of their time to help a fellow livery. Quite sad really.
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No really you're not, I made two trips to find someone's rug drag it down the field and chase her youngster to get it on as the weather turned tonight, I am totally up for helping, just not someone taking the pee.
 
It's not a few minutes though is it - 20 mins a day 5 days a week.. is 1 h 40 min a week - for a lot of people that is a lot of time to lose for no mutual benefit and no apparent thanks.

I live on site so help people out quite a lot as I am here if it will save them a trip (re rugging later/putting a late feed in etc - things that really are a few minute jobs) but even though am here I would be peeved at someone taking 20 mins out of my day every day.
 
PollyP99 said:
Ha, when I was supporting the OP these last few days I was told no yard would want me or the OP as liveries, thank Goodness you lot have turned up, I thought I was going mad or the others were in a parallel happy clappy DIY commune.
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The attitudes on here are unbelievable aren't they! I am genuinely shocked lol!!!

Can you guys that think this is ok please let me know where you are in the country? I have a lovely youngster currently on full livery, but if you're all happy to do her for free I will happily move her to DIY! Will save me a fortune!
 
I am quite surprised too tbh, I am generally a nice bod but just can't imagine anyone (and def not the YO) on our small yard tolerating bringing in someone else's horse from a distant field every day.
 
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