Do you show a passport when selling a pony

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Hi, I’m looking to buy a pony and I’ve asked to see a copy of the passport to show breeding etc and the seller has said no as they are not going to disclose that information until he’s sold as people can use the information!

I’ve had horses all my life and to be honest haven’t bought recently but I don’t see why you wouldn’t show it.

Please do tell me if I’m wrong tho! I just wanted to make sure it’s all correct and he’s registered with the correct passport that we need for what we want him for.
 

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I would expect to show a passport to a potential buyer. If the animal is registered with a breed society it should be possible to check it is the animal they say (and who the registered owner is) if you have the full registered name. It’s an offence to sell without a passport. Some may have pet passports in which case it might be a little more difficult o trace.
 

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That’s what I wanted just to see he’s registered correctly I don’t know what information I could possibly run away with. It’s making me feel a bit nervous about him
 

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Sounds dodgy... if they won't show you passport, what else are they hiding? Also I'm sure it is common practice for vet to cross check microchip number with that shown in passport during a vetting (although I could be wrong!). Whenever I have sold something, the vet has always looked at passport and I have always requested to see passport whenever buying, how else can you be sure it is the same horse, vaccinated etc.!
 

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I would walk away.

I wouldn't buy from someone being so obstructive and unhelpful over a relatively minor thing. If you want the breeding, why wouldn't he he just write it all down / photograph that page for you and promise to show the passport with the pony should you wish to view in person? Seems suspicious to me.
 

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I would want to see the passported name and breeding. When I was looking, I googled the registered name of a pony I nearly bought, and found the pony had a historical injury and had previously been sold as a non-ridden broodmare. The sellers were lovely and the pony had clearly been passed around a bit, and they didn't know the history, but it was enough to put me off.

Someone with nothing to hide should at least be willing to send the front page and breeding IMO.

I guess maybe they don't want you knowing the microchip number or similar, but that's not on the relevant pages.
 

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I would be very suspicious, what on earth are they hoping to gain?
Any registered breed is usually initially advertised on its breeding, I certainly wouldn't go and travel any distance for a registered animal without knowing the breeding. I'd have been checking bloodlines before arranging to see the animal

V v odd! .
 

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Most with good breeding actually put a picture of the passport in the advert. They are correct, people can use the info in the passport, but they may very well need to these days to do a bit of research, like finding out how many previous owners, whether seller is actually the current owner, how long they had the pony. They may have a copy passport which is no good for breed specific classes and removes all previous owners/history or no passport at all. If they are making claims about affiliated competition experience you also need the registered name to check on it. If you want a vetting, the vet also has to see it - would they let it be seen at that point? I'd pass on this one.
 

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Most with good breeding actually put a picture of the passport in the advert. They are correct, people can use the info in the passport, but they may very well need to these days to do a bit of research, like finding out how many previous owners, whether seller is actually the current owner, how long they had the pony. They may have a copy passport which is no good for breed specific classes and removes all previous owners/history or no passport at all. If they are making claims about affiliated competition experience you also need the registered name to check on it. If you want a vetting, the vet also has to see it - would they let it be seen at that point? I'd pass on this one.


All this, plus if this is a dealer then some dealers just want to get you to visit and will then try to sell you whatever they have in at the time. If often works because people have made the commitment to visit and are in a buying frame of mind. So if this is that type of dealer, it's entirely possible the pony is already sold and the passport has left with it.
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Any seller not totally happy to show you the passport is hiding something. I always got a photo passports I was looking at - 99% of owners were perfectly happy for me to take a photo. There’s not much you can really do with the information. One horse I went to view, the dealer was a bit funny about showing me the passport. When they did, I realised the ink was barely dry and the absence of any information was a huge red flag. So for me being funny about the passport would have me walking away…..
 

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What are they trying to hide? Of course with the passport you can look up competition records etc, or you can check the info matches what they’ve told you, both of which they shouldn’t be trying to hide anyway.

I’d walk away and tell them why.

My pony’s breeding page was included in his ad, so I didn’t have to ask and I was handed the passport to see when I viewed to check the markings etc.
 

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sounds odd. I'd want to look at breeding if I was potential purchaser along with jab record etc.

I'd walk away. could they be hiding a LOU insurance claim if not wanting to show passport or does the passport not match the pony ? Is not a breed society passport? To many questions for my liking.
 

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they are not going to disclose that information until he’s sold as people can use the information!
Well yes! A prospective buyer needs that information to use!
Good examples above of reasons someone dodgy might not want you to see it.
Also, I was interested in a Highland Pony for sale near me. A 12/13 year old gelding, meant to be perfect child's best friend etc. Except researching his passport information revealed recent progeny. Turned out he had been used as a stallion until he was about 11 years old & couldn't be turned out with or stabled near mares amongst other serious and potentially dangerous problems.

It's just possible that the seller hasn't done this before & is over nervous. If you are very keen on this particular pony do some digging into who they are. Otherwise run!
 

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Hi, I’m looking to buy a pony and I’ve asked to see a copy of the passport to show breeding etc and the seller has said no as they are not going to disclose that information until he’s sold as people can use the information!

I’ve had horses all my life and to be honest haven’t bought recently but I don’t see why you wouldn’t show it.

Please do tell me if I’m wrong tho! I just wanted to make sure it’s all correct and he’s registered with the correct passport that we need for what we want him for.
Yes of course, people want to check vaccines, history- owners etc, medical issues.
 

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Well yes! A prospective buyer needs that information to use!
Good examples above of reasons someone dodgy might not want you to see it.
Also, I was interested in a Highland Pony for sale near me. A 12/13 year old gelding, meant to be perfect child's best friend etc. Except researching his passport information revealed recent progeny. Turned out he had been used as a stallion until he was about 11 years old & couldn't be turned out with or stabled near mares amongst other serious and potentially dangerous problems.

It's just possible that the seller hasn't done this before & is over nervous. If you are very keen on this particular pony do some digging into who they are. Otherwise run!
There is a Fell pony not far from me for sale via Facebook. I got a friend to enquire, apparently he has a generic passport 'but could be upgraded to a full FPS passport by application'. No, they dont know the breeding of this 6 yr old pony they have had for nearly 5 years. Asking top end registered pony price too.
Seller now getting snarky as several have 'been rude about pony saying unregistered'. It has 2 white fronts! Its cannot be upgraded to a registered pony, seller hasnt a clue except wanting 7k!
 

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There is a Fell pony not far from me for sale via Facebook. I got a friend to enquire, apparently he has a generic passport 'but could be upgraded to a full FPS passport by application'. No, they dont know the breeding of this 6 yr old pony they have had for nearly 5 years. Asking top end registered pony price too.
Seller now getting snarky as several have 'been rude about pony saying unregistered'. It has 2 white fronts! Its cannot be upgraded to a registered pony, seller hasnt a clue except wanting 7k!
Yes, speaking of snarky! There's a 7 year old show/dressage gelding near me, re-advertised "through no fault of his own DUE TO A BIG TIME WASTER" . Not just an ordinary one, notice but big!! Very recently gelded by the looks of it's record, BD still has him as a stallion. No mention in adverts.
 
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