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now im totally confused just had conversation with dogs trust behavourist and she doesnt recommend using one for any lenght of time ie overnight she says it trains them to do things like poo and so interferes with toilet training and it can make them chew more when not in cage cant win as there is so many good things said here about crates and my pup has started to chew the bloody sofa i am following what Cayla has told me about crate training and she is going in at last but i havent left her locked in it yet but dogstrust have really not recommeneded it ahhhh
 
nicole1968 said:
now im totally confused just had conversation with dogs trust behavourist and she doesnt recommend using one for any lenght of time ie overnight she says it trains them to do things like poo and so interferes with toilet training and it can make them chew more when not in cage cant win as there is so many good things said here about crates and my pup has started to chew the bloody sofa i am following what Cayla has told me about crate training and she is going in at last but i havent left her locked in it yet but dogstrust have really not recommeneded it ahhhh
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Personally I think that they are talking rubbish ... If I put you in a crate and you needed to ***** then you'd try not to as its going to be right next to your bed .... I put you in a massive room you would probably have less qualms going at the other end of the room as it can be far away from you !
 
I think they are talking a load of ****!

Have never had much luck with any of the trainers at blue cross or dogs trust be any good with anything.
 
Another thing .... does this trainer think its better that a puppy chews the sofa .. chokes on filling and then dies or is it better tio have a safe enviroment in a crate with suitable toys or chews?
 
i know i dont want her to come to any harm and chewing my sofa is going to do her any good in lots of ways my OH went mad as well, she isnt on her own my other dog is next to her crate in his bed but because ive never used one before im so wary of doing the wrong thing she hasnt had the best start
 
I don't think they said one way or another, there is nothing in my pack about them either, which you would expect there to be if they were seen as a bad thing. Mine is in there all night although these days the door stays open. I didn't ask them, I just went ahead and did it;)
 
Just keep doing what you're doing, it's early days.

Nine out of ten dogs will not poo or wee anywhere near their beds - would you?!

At the end of the day it is your dog, do what works for you both, and take the advice which suits you both best. I would stay stick with it.
 
thanks i dont feel so bad now they were really making me feel horrible about even thinking about it crate training will now continue
 
nicole1968 said:
thanks i dont feel so bad now they were really making me feel horrible about even thinking about it crate training will now continue
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We crated our lab x retriever puppy (she's now just over a year old) and she was house trained really quickly which is just as well as we live in a third floor flat (staff accommodation at a boarding school). She loves going into hers, and will voluntarily go in for a kip. Her water is in there 24/7 and she is also fed in there. She will run (and I mean *run* in (away from the food) as soon as she hears the food hit the bowl, and then sit down and wait until I wander over!

I haven't seen Amber come to any harm AT ALL by using a crate, and would use it again with another pup.
 
That is the most irrisponsible thing I have have heard , considering the more she warns against crate training alot more dogs are going to find themselves homeless, How on earth can placing a dog in an area it cannot be destructive then teach it to be destructive, the whole point is to establish a routine so that when the dog is ready to come out of the crate it has already learn to remain in it's own space without the need to chew (along with it's stimulating treats) and as suggested a dog is way less likely to ***** where it lies.

Can I ask what alternative advice she gave?
Also which dogs trust was this?
She works in a kenneled environment where dogs are indeed contained and yet she advises against crates.

I have crate trained well over 500 dogs in order to get them a routine they where nver given a chance to get into in their own homes and their destructive behaviour and lack of house training had their owners sick to death and indeed ready for the dog to be discarded of or pts.
It is not a perminant scenario it's routine to work towards the day you can indeed leave the dog where ever you like , but in this modern day where by we "have to work" and leave the house, what does she want> you to return home to ***** pish and destruction because she does not advise a crate, or does she want you to join the dole que and spend your days at home, where you will no doubt create a routine of "Seperation issues" or just stay indoors all day:rolleyes:

I wonder how many hours she works? and if she is able to take her dogs into work with her?:rolleyes:
And bedtime, why not use the crate at bed time, your dog would otherwise be sleeping in a bed, this way it's in a bed in a crate, big deal, should a baby be left to crawl around a room all night?
 
Ps, I can see a fair few doogs being returned to the dog trust of the branch she works, if she keeps making people feel this way about using a training aid, I bet my life on it, this dog was handed in through the destruction she was causing in the house, can you imagine if you discarded of the crate and she kept destroying your house, and you had to return her (not saying you ever would)
 
I shut the door on Harley's crate at night from day 1. He never cared. I only shut it when he was already asleep, so he never knew I suppose. His litter had had a large crate as their bed at the breeders so he was familiar. When he woke in the night wanting the toilet he used to whine. I'd take him outside, let him go, then put him straight back in his crate and shut the door.

He always had toys and chews in his crate and never had an accident.
 
A little right of the topic but I have a question about Dog's Trust dogs prompted by the OP's question.

Is a D's Trust dog only 'on loan' to a person (as a WHW horse would be), or do they legally own them?
If it is the latter, what has it got to do with them whether you crate train it or not?
 
The dog is yours so long as you abide by the rehoming conditions:

1. Not to part for the dog for any reason except to return it to Dogs Trust
2. Not to allow the dog to be used for any form of experiment or stage purposes.
3. To feed, house and care for the dog to Dogs Trust satisfaction and never to keep the dog permanently on a chain or tether.
4. To be responsible for the welfare of the dog at all times and not to cause, or permit anybody else to cause the dog unnecessary suffering.
5. To obtain for the dog qualified veterinary treatment in all cases of injury or illness and to ensure the dog receives appropriate veterinary healthcare.
6. To abide by the requirements of the law relating to dogs.
7. To notify the local authority, police and Dogs Trust immediately should the dog become lost or missing.
8. To have the dog neutered as soon as possible, should the dog not have been neutered prior to rehoming.

If you break those conditions, they reserve the right to reclaim the dog.

With a loan horse there are regular follow-up checks, this is not the case with the Dogs Trust.

:)
 
it is leeds branch she wanted me to take her up to bed with me which i wont as my other dog doesnt and this wouldnt be fair on him he has the run of downstairs and to also give her chewing things ie pigs ears bones etc which i do the only other thing she said was to segragate her in another room like the kitchen but then she is shut away from my other dog at least in a crate she is still with him
 
and no i wouldnt want to return her love her to bits just dont want my house trashing and it is uppsetting my other dog
 
nicole1968 said:
it is leeds branch she wanted me to take her up to bed with me which i wont as my other dog doesnt and this wouldnt be fair on him he has the run of downstairs and to also give her chewing things ie pigs ears bones etc which i do the only other thing she said was to segragate her in another room like the kitchen but then she is shut away from my other dog at least in a crate she is still with him
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I cannot believe she advised you to take her to bed:eek: what happens when you go on holiday? does she expect the kennels to let her carry on sleeping in the room or who ever cares for her? I would think being a behaviourist she would understand this would be like making a rod for your own back and is going to cause the dog more distress in the long run, if this routine can not be carried on in circumstances when she cannot be with you all the time, dog like to chew, for many different reasons, and leaving bones and chews down is fine, but she also has a choice of a good few other things to chew when she gets bored with the usual items, and is going to ravavge the rest of the room, in the crate, this option is taken away, she will chew for a while and sleep for a while.

I think this person sounds odd, and it worries me she is advising people to allow dogs to stay in a bedroom when they have not yet been trained to avoid crate training them in order to create a routine for them to beable to spent time alone, letting her stay in your room all night will def make her more anxious when you leave her, I wonder would she give this advice to people with a huge breed of dog.
 
nicole1968 said:
and no i wouldnt want to return her love her to bits just dont want my house trashing and it is uppsetting my other dog
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I have no doubt you would never part with her, but for the one of you that will seek advice comapred to the 9 that wont, thats another home she could be potentially passed to, no thanks to the so called behaviourist.
 
this is what i thought teaching a dog to go up to bed with you is totally irresponsible and teaching it bad things thanks all i dont feel like a numpty i just wants what is best for her she is ace
 
I don't pretend to know any more than all the experienced people here but- my 5 month old lurcher puppy has been crate trained from day one. He was house trained after 2 weeks, does not chew anything that is not his, does not whinge at night and if you tell him 'bedtime' puts himself in his crate. When we took him on holiday, the first place he went to when he was tired was his crate. Can't rate them highly enough, but I should add that I was always very aware that it was never ever to be used if he had been naughty or rude, only that it was his 'bedroom'.
 
my dogs trust dog has been crated before- she didn't have the best start either. YOU look after her, you know her better than the dogstrust people do- do what you think is best.
 
nicole1968 said:
now im totally confused just had conversation with dogs trust behavourist and she doesnt recommend using one for any lenght of time ie overnight she says it trains them to do things like poo and so interferes with toilet training and it can make them chew more when not in cage
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What rubbish! My dog was crated overnight (with door shut) from first day we got her as a puppy. She is now 5 and sleeps in the crate still but with the door open. She is THE most house-trained dog I have ever met and has never poohed in the house, even when left for significant periods of time. The crate stopped her chewing the wrong things when she was a pup, and now she has no inclination to chew anything in the house at all, unless she is told it is 'hers' (ie bone, toy etc).
 
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