Dog deliberatly run over by police...

rowan666 said:
this was a dog who may well have been a pet (we don't know)absolutely terrified not knowing where it was and running for its life!
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I agree, as I stated that previously, that's why I am guessing it bit the policeman. But at the end of the day, rightly wrongly who however else people want to perceive it, human life always comes before animals. Thats just IMHO. Does anyone know if they did kill it outright. Sometimes as I have found from past experience driving over something that is half dead at speed is not always as effective as driving over something slowly. It does not have the same effect. I am talking about rabbits now, not dogs of course, I have no such experience of dogs, thank goodness.

I have seen a dog run over at the yard with a tyre going over its front legs. Nothing broken. How can that be? Something to do with tyre pressure and how much the ground gives underneath I think.
 
Sukistokes2 said:
Sorry NO excuse, sickening!
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Yep...Agreed. Just watched a Police Analysis spokesman on sky news and even he was lost for words and was nodding at the appalled vet who was giving his side of the story.The Vet was disgusted. Human life must come first of course but this.....I just hope that poor frightened dog didn't suffer too much at the end.
 
Templebar said:
Yes but what about the poor rabbit you could not avoid, or are you the swerve/screech to a halt one that causes the accidents.

My own answer if when I saw a pheasant hit by the vehicle in front and did not kill outright, I aimed for it and then turned round to ensure that it was dead.
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What about them?mowing something alive and well down is wrong.if its meant as an act of mercy for something injured to hasten the end, thats different.
Yes I have avoided living creatures in the road and Ivd not caused any accidents doing so either
 
applecart14 said:
I agree, as I stated that previously, that's why I am guessing it bit the policeman. But at the end of the day, rightly wrongly who however else people want to perceive it, human life always comes before animals. Thats just IMHO. Does anyone know if they did kill it outright. Sometimes as I have found from past experience driving over something that is half dead at speed is not always as effective as driving over something slowly. It does not have the same effect. I am talking about rabbits now, not dogs of course, I have no such experience of dogs, thank goodness.

I have seen a dog run over at the yard with a tyre going over its front legs. Nothing broken. How can that be? Something to do with tyre pressure and how much the ground gives underneath I think.
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Yes I agree human life comes before an animal, well actually depends who the person at risk is but anyway, i think what you have said here is exactly the point, that the animal could have been hit and still left to suffer, driving over an animal is not an efficent or humane way to kill an animal. There are many ways that this could have been safely resolved, with or without the dog losing it's life that would have been more suitable especially given that the road would not have been busy at that time and TBH even if it was busy I don't see how people being punctual for work/family whatever for one day should take presedence over a life, if the road is blocked and traffic comes to a standstill then nobody is going to need to swerve to avoid it
 
AdorableAlice said:
I won't be drawn into the rights and wrongs of the incident, but being involved with regulatory services I can assure you that at 3am in the morning there are no resources for road closure, marksmen, animal welfare officers for something as minor as a loose dog. The police on duty will have one remit and that is to protect human life.

Lets face it, your granny can be burgled and terrified and the Police might visit in 48 hours if she is lucky. Unless you are employed in public service/front line service you really have no idea what is going on with resources and staff availability. I can sum it up for you - no resources and no staff. The cuts in public service have gone beyond the pale now and this incident is one of many that are dealt with badly.
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This ^^. There are simply not the resources any more to take other actions (speaking as a former police officer and husband is one).
 
LHIS said:
This ^^. There are simply not the resources any more to take other actions (speaking as a former police officer and husband is one).
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And the amount of officers, control room staff, etc, etc to carry out a rolling block, firearms officers & all the rest is far more than anyone can imagine. (Ex Police Control Room)
 
Lanky Loll said:
Are they seriously trying to say that at 3am there was that much traffic on the road that the dog was that big a danger?? Just appalling regardless
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yes on the A55 there is that much traffic overnight. It is because of all the Lorries coming off the late night Irish Ferries (cheaper for the lorry drivers and means they avoid hotspots at rush hour) the only way from Anglesey to anywhere in England is along the A55. also on certain stretches of the A55 there is no reasonable route round a block. Last time the A55 was closed between 2 junctions just before the tunnels it caused 6 hour traffic jams which is about the same length of time the diversion would have taken!
 
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AdorableAlice said:
I won't be drawn into the rights and wrongs of the incident, but being involved with regulatory services I can assure you that at 3am in the morning there are no resources for road closure, marksmen, animal welfare officers for something as minor as a loose dog. The police on duty will have one remit and that is to protect human life.

Lets face it, your granny can be burgled and terrified and the Police might visit in 48 hours if she is lucky. Unless you are employed in public service/front line service you really have no idea what is going on with resources and staff availability. I can sum it up for you - no resources and no staff. The cuts in public service have gone beyond the pale now and this incident is one of many that are dealt with badly.
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This is my experience too, from an ex Police Officer.

I understand that particular road is busy at that time of day, with lorries making the 5am ferry crossing.
 
This is an absolute no win situation. The hound was causing a danger to other road users and something had to be done. The police officers had tried catching it, probably at some risk to themselves in the traffic, and had managed to get hold of it but had to let it go when it bit one of them. It would have taken time to get someone there to deal with it on a more humane basis and hounds in general are pretty good at getting round, over and through obstacles so a blockade wouldn't have worked.

The risk that someone would be killed trying to avoid it meant that something had to be done. Apparently two local hunts have confirmed that they are not missing any hounds (whether this was before or after the hound was run down I am not sure) so short of closing the road totally they had few options open to them.

So do I think I would have done it then probably not, do I think in the circumstances it was the best option then probably yes.
 
AdorableAlice said:
I won't be drawn into the rights and wrongs of the incident, but being involved with regulatory services I can assure you that at 3am in the morning there are no resources for road closure, marksmen, animal welfare officers for something as minor as a loose dog. The police on duty will have one remit and that is to protect human life.

Lets face it, your granny can be burgled and terrified and the Police might visit in 48 hours if she is lucky. Unless you are employed in public service/front line service you really have no idea what is going on with resources and staff availability. I can sum it up for you - no resources and no staff. The cuts in public service have gone beyond the pale now and this incident is one of many that are dealt with badly.
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This
If we want more services we have to pay more tax
 
For those that don't know that the stretch of A55 in question is unlit, duel carriage way with a 70mph limit. The only matrix signs are at the entrances to the tunnels and they are simple red crosses that can be turned on if the lane is closed
It is not a nice stretch of road but the only alternative is a large detour through the depths of mid Wales and up through some very very little roads.
As previously stated there would have been a lot of Lorrys headed for the 5am ferry to Ireland and I'm fairly sure there is also a ferry that arrives into Holyhead at around 2.30am so would have been unloading and the first of the lorrys getting to that point just shortly after 3am

The Conwy tunnels are a notorious accident blackspot, the lay-by just outside of it is the most dangerous lay by in Wales (I broke down there onces) the roundabouts are strangely cambered and can cause Lorrys to be thrown around

I am not going to comment on whether they were right or wrong to do what they did but I will clear up about that particular stretch of road
 
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Regarding hitting small animals such as cars, you are not obliged to stop and don't have report it to any authority. Cats generally run loose - it's not all that common (least my round me) to see a dog roaming about like a cat would so they are more prone to getting hit on the road.

If you hit a dog or larger, you have to report it.
 
I can't comment on whether or not it was the right thing to do as I wasn't there, but you can be sure that if they didn't stop the dog and someone was killed, the police would be blamed by the media. I've got several close friends in the police, you wouldn't believe the cr*p they have to deal with on a day to day basis.
 
Crugeran Celt said:
I can't believe there was no alternative and can't imagine what kind of person can chase an animal down and kill it.
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Someone who is professional and is paid to put the welfare and safety of the public ahead of that of a dog. The same as a soldier who has to put the welfare and safety of himself and his comrades ahead of the enemy. Not comparable in the least I know, but these people are paid to carry out orders so that others might live. Very sad I know but little choice given the circumstances.

But I would like to know what they would have done had it of been a cow or horse instead of a dog as surely the same rules would not have applied and this can and does happen from time to time where these type of animals stray onto dual carriageways and motorways.

I don't expect it was easy for the police officer by any stretch of the imagination and I am sure it upset him greatly, but presumably someone had to and he was following orders I guess.
 
Wtf, they ran it over??? I thought they shot it, and could see why people were upset for the dog, but didn't understand all the fuss. I'm sorry but that's horrific, what a horrible way for an animal to die. (Also don't really understand the logistics???)
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-35650395 in this article it says the dog escaped from a hunt, also says firearms officers were called but didn't think they would get a clean shot so after one policeman was bitten they thought it best to run it over at such a speed they would kill it outright so im assuming they didn't actually try to shoot it or get the owner down to try and call it and thought it safer to speed down the motorway without road blocks in place and mow down the dog. I'm left even more baffled by it now, they had time to call and wait for firearms officers but not to put in a road block? surely a speeding car poses just as much risk with no road blocks in place and if police can chase two horses around a park on quads and shoot them in broad daylight infront of many members of the public Inc children and put in road blocks to catch a swan why couldn't they block a road and shoot at 3am? at least the matter is being investigated anyway
 
How do you propose they find the owner to get them down to the dog? The owners were not found until after the story hit headlines. They couldn't exactly scan its microchip or read its tag
 
The human species really are the lowest form aren't we. ..we must all survive unscathed at all cost to any other living thing. Baffles me completely when it's always human life over anything. Yes of course human life is as important but more? The arrogance of humanity.

One wonders what would have happened if it has been a child loose on the road....bet a road block would have been used then

The human race saddens me.
 
~Sorry but what a waste of tax payers money (thousands of pounds) to spend on a independent review to decide whether the dog should have:

a) been left to run around and cause a multicar pile up with potential fatalaties or life changing injuries

b) been run over as any other way to contain it would have caused serious danger to life

This is a crazy world we live in.
 
A temporary road close to stop further traffic danger should have been done. Human life is always going to be the priority.
So police car with lights on parked across the road at a visable spot same as for an accident. surely that only takes one car and one person to address traffic.and if there had been an accident a block would have been needed.inconvenient for road users yes...but not irresposible for a one off event.

did they really leave the road open to public traffic while chasing the Dog and then trying to mow the dog down? Surely that was a bad call!

Also if they have tazers to use on sheep why not use that here to restrain then shoot the dog?
If they can get close enough for someone to be bitten then it was possible to get close enough to shoot or taser surely.....

Most scared dogs will try and bite. a police officer should realise that as well and expect it when going to catch one! Throw something over its head before you touch a terrified carnivore! Then use a lead/ rope anything but your hands!

I wonder what else did they try before that they thought that ramming an animal to cause blunt force trauma to knock it and then running it over with a vehicle was a good idea.

Its very rarely instant death when hit by a car even at high speed due to where the impact occurs...esp in a large dog.horrific way to chose to kill an animal.

A member of the public would face cruelty charged for deliberately mowing down a dog..

Plus with time would the dog not have eventually stopped or have been able to be guided off the road....or at least stop running long enough to get a clean shot.

Sounds like someone made a terrible judgement call!
 
Aru said:
Also if they have tazers to use on sheep why not use that here to restrain then shoot the dog?
If they can get close enough for someone to be bitten then it was possible to get close enough to shoot or taser surely.....
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Tasers can kill dogs rather than immobilise them and in doing so will cause a very painful death. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-dog-Taser-attacks-woman-walks-promenade.html No doubt at the time there was public outcry over the manner of that dogs death.
 
A member of the public would face cruelty charged for deliberately mowing down a dog..
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Not if it was killed outright by one blow. It's not cruelty to kill any animal quickly, however it's done. The only possible charge would be criminal damage if it was someone else's dog. This dog's death was a lot more humane than driving it to a vet, shaving its leg and sticking a needle in it.
 
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