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Given that the government is planning to bring in an order to prevent anyone over 70 leaving their home what will happen to the thousands of dogs that belong to elderly people? How will they get exercised or even go outside to do their business if they live in a flat? Will dog owners ignore the order or will they be living with very unhappy dogs. I do wonder how on earth Boris could enforce such a draconian measure. I would rather risk the virus and do my own self isolating than become a prisoner in my own home. This potential law will create a huge sense of loneliness and depression amongst the elderly which in my opinion is more dangerous than the virus as the stress could cause heart attacks, strokes or even suicide.
 
I am moving my horse to DIY tomorrow and I have four dogs. I am already keeping away from other people which is easy for me here but I will not stay at home, even if it means looking after my horse and walking the dogs in the middle of the night. I cannot imagine what life would be like if I lived in town. How are the Italian dog and horse owners coping?
 
planete said:
I am moving my horse to DIY tomorrow and I have four dogs. I am already keeping away from other people which is easy for me here but I will not stay at home, even if it means looking after my horse and walking the dogs in the middle of the night. I cannot imagine what life would be like if I lived in town. How are the Italian dog and horse owners coping?
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Hurray someone after my own heart. Good for you! Sensible country folk are used to dealing with problems calmly. More than half of the problem with this outbreak is human panic. We need our walks to stimulate our natural immunity.
 
I think it is more advice to stay at home, than a law. And tbh I doubt that there will be any-one available to enforce such a law if there were one. The idea is to protect the vulnerable over 70s, so I guess that if you can find somewhere to walk your dog where you do not have to be within touching distance of other people, you won't be putting yourself at any greater risk. I don't think I can remember ever touching another dogwalker in all the 60+ yrs that I have been walking dogs, so I can't see that it would be much of a problem. Horses on livery yards might be more of a problem, I am glad that ours are at home, although it does mean that it's not so easy to call on someone else to do them in case of illness.
 
My dad (76) is healthy and shops for two households of elderly neighbours. He’s on the go all the time, walking his dog and taking neighbours to appointments and things. I can’t imagine how he’d feel being asked to stay indoors and I do believe it’s the exercise that’s keeps him so healthy. What would the neighbours do? They don’t have anyone else and unfortunately I can’t step in and look after his neighbours for him.
 
This latest development isn’t going to be a law. It isn’t even going to be an order, although I don’t rightly know what one of those is when it comes to mass public. Over 70’s are being ‘asked’ to self isolate for their own protection. There’s nothing draconian about it.

I can tell you now, without even asking them, that my mum and stepdad won’t be doing any such thing. They have changed their habits slightly in light of corona virus but they are still living their lives and all respect to them.
 
Sorry I read the headline in the Express last night – I should know better. The headline said “ Now over 70s Face Stay at Home Order” - within 20 days. I have now just read Health Secretary’s report by Sky News where he said we will be ASKED to self isolate.Not the same thing as an order. In other words we use our common sense. I totally hate the Express - that paper selling headline cost me a nights sleep!
 
Levrier said:
Oh god my mother will go ballistic.... ? Luckily she has a massive garden and cavaliers are flexible and don’t need loads of exercise, but I can’t see her complying with being told to stay at home by the government ?
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I have the opposite problem sort of. My OH has incurable cancer. he's on treatment. He really shouldn't be going to work in an office because, well if he catches it it'll be curtains. But can I tell him that:? can I heck. So I've emailed his consultant. If she tells him to stay home he will! He's frightened of her.
 
I don't think its reasonable to have this advice for over 70s. Anyone with an underlying health condition or who have recovered from a major illness in the last 12 months and therefore possibly have a weakened immune system then yes they should isolate as much as they can. Some people over 70 are in much better health than say a compulsive smoker in their 30s.
 
Sukhpreet Aujla said:
I don't think its reasonable to have this advice for over 70s. Anyone with an underlying health condition or who have recovered from a major illness in the last 12 months and therefore possibly have a weakened immune system then yes they should isolate as much as they can. Some people over 70 are in much better health than say a compulsive smoker in their 30s.
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I couldn’t agree more. It’s insulting they are treating us like babies with no common sense and yet the schools are still open!
 
Parrotperson said:
I have the opposite problem sort of. My OH has incurable cancer. he's on treatment. He really shouldn't be going to work in an office because, well if he catches it it'll be curtains. But can I tell him that:? can I heck. So I've emailed his consultant. If she tells him to stay home he will! He's frightened of her.
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I’m so sorry to hear this. You must feel very isolated and worried. I think you are very brave to cope with such a difficult problem.
 
Patchworkpony said:
I couldn’t agree more. It’s insulting they are treating us like babies with no common sense and yet the schools are still open!
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Yes and my 75 yo neighbour, as a volunteer with the National Trust, is hosting 300 primary school children tomorrow on an orienteering day in the parkland. At least she's getting a lift there and not using public transport.
 
Parrotperson said:
it is difficult. Understand he wants to live his life but then again....... Have to see what advice is given I guess.
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Watch everything you can on YouTube by Dr Joe Dispenza and then listen to the testimonials given by people who have healed themselves from Parkinson’s to stage 4 cancer. Remarkable man.
 
Arzada said:
Yes and my 75 yo neighbour, as a volunteer with the National Trust, is hosting 300 primary school children tomorrow on an orienteering day in the parkland. At least she's getting a lift there and not using public transport.
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If these valient people are treated as if they don’t have a choice they will feel discriminated against and left with a deep sense of not being part of society. It is illegal to imprison someone unlawfully and yet this is what the government proposes if they insist we stay in our homes. Young people are also getting this bug so why pick on the elderly.
 
Patchworkpony said:
If these valient people are treated as if they don’t have a choice they will feel discriminated against and left with a deep sense of not being part of society. It is illegal to imprison someone unlawfully and yet this is what the government proposes if they insist we stay in our homes. Young people are also getting this bug so why pick on the elderly.
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The government are ‘asking’ over 70’s to self isolate for their own protection. No-one is forcing the elderly to do anything. Yes, they’re being singled out (or picked on, to use your terminology) as a vulnerable group in society but not in a bad way.
 
deb_l222 said:
The government are ‘asking’ over 70’s to self isolate for their own protection. No-one is forcing the elderly to do anything. Yes, they’re being singled out (or picked on, to use your terminology) as a vulnerable group in society but not in a bad way.
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Now the government are talking as if they may enforce it - not ask but insist. I suspect you are not in that age group so have NO idea how mentally damaging isolation is. Years ago I had an accident and was confined to the house for three months that was far far worse than any pain or discomfort. There was an article published recently that stated that some people forced into isolating quarantine suffered mental effects for years afterwards. Yes we may be vulnerable but we should be allowed to make our own choices. Far more people have died from flu in the past decade but there wasn’t all this panic. I wonder how those with horses in livery will feel if they can’t care for their animals just because they have reached their 70th birthday.
 
well i am over 70 and walk my dogs twice a day and dont ever get close to other people, i am in a small village so it will be quite easy for me not to get close to people... the only time i am a bit closer to people is when i go food shopping so that can be sorted quite easily . we all just need to be sensible and not put ourselves or anyone else at risk...
 
Leo, I am a fit and active 71. I have a flock of sheep due to start lambing literally any day. I don't live on the property so have to drive 5.5 miles to get there. If the Gov in its wisdom decides I 'have to' isolate myself how the heck am I to care for my sheep. I am no more of a risk to others than you are, possibly less. If I just abandon my sheep to cope on their own I will soon have the RSPCA round my neck. There are no easy answers to this. Yes people with compromised health should self isolate but just the fact of being over 70 should not be a reason to put us under lockdown.:mad:
 
Leo Walker said:
And while you go about your life making your own decisions, you get sick and need hopsital care which isnt going to be avaiable, and no doubt infect other people on the way. This isnt just about you. its quite clear why it will need to be an order, if people arent prepared to listen.
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We are already self isolating keeping away from people and having food delivered but we need to walk on our deserted country lanes or the moor to stay healthy. Believe me we do listen but don’t want to be confined to our own four walls for months no more than you would. What is interesting is that many of our senior MPs are well over 70 I wonder if they will be confined to their homes as well?
 
splashgirl45 said:
well i am over 70 and walk my dogs twice a day and dont ever get close to other people, i am in a small village so it will be quite easy for me not to get close to people... the only time i am a bit closer to people is when i go food shopping so that can be sorted quite easily . we all just need to be sensible and not put ourselves or anyone else at risk...
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Quite so.
 
Errin Paddywack said:
Leo, I am a fit and active 71. I have a flock of sheep due to start lambing literally any day. I don't live on the property so have to drive 5.5 miles to get there. If the Gov in its wisdom decides I 'have to' isolate myself how the heck am I to care for my sheep. I am no more of a risk to others than you are, possibly less. If I just abandon my sheep to cope on their own I will soon have the RSPCA round my neck. There are no easy answers to this. Yes people with compromised health should self isolate but just the fact of being over 70 should not be a reason to put us under lockdown.:mad:
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The voice of common sense - notice it is younger folk that decree we should all be locked up. Most of us oldies have been around and seen a thing or two and normally very responsible.
 
Patchworkpony said:
Now the government are talking as if they may enforce it - not ask but insist. I suspect you are not in that age group so have NO idea how mentally damaging isolation is.
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equally so is death. :) I don't think it unreasonable to ask them to self isolate as much as is possible. Not forcing them but it is for their own benefit. They may live through it then. It is also for the benefit of others who are unable to self isolate eg hospital workers who, if they catch it, may need that ventilator.

I'm not over 70 but I shall self isolate as much as possible, shopping is online and although I will carry on riding I usually go for an entire ride without seeing anyone. I don't want to put myself at any more risk that is necessary so hopefully I won't cause a problem for others and most of all I want to be alive at the end of this.
It is not younger people wanting over 70's locked up just a case of trying to keep as many as possible safe and out of the reaches of the NHS>

Someone posted about a NT 75yo volunteer hosting 300 kids. That to me is just totally stupid. Like it or not that person is in an age group that is higher risk and any of those kids could be carriers.
 
Patchworkpony said:
Now the government are talking as if they may enforce it - not ask but insist..
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Where are you getting your information from? You are correct, I’m not in that age group but I’m all over this particular subject because my parents are.

The only way anyone can be forced to stay at home is if a state of national emergency is declared and curfews are instigated.
 
Auslander said:
Seriously???
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deb_l222 said:
Where are you getting your information from? You are correct, I’m not in that age group but I’m all over this particular subject because my parents are.

The only way anyone can be forced to stay at home is if a state of national emergency is declared and curfews are instigated.
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Thank you that is a huge relief. I am reading various stuff online and this seemed to be more the way it was going.
 
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