Dog owners tsk tsk

sky1000 said:
From what I saw 1. Pedantic's horse is fab and 2. the dog didn't seem to be under any sort of control and it should have been.
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Exactly. The horse is in full control on a horse allowed pathway. The dog has a run up, & then goes again. Close control to me is on a lead or a sharp "Here" at which the dog should return to handler.

Po is so cool.

Oh & yes, I'd have barfed over that bridge.
 
I see no problem.

If a horse is deemed sensible enough to attempt a bridge like that, then surely a woof from a dog isn't going to faze it? A bird equally could have caused a terrifying spook and spin.

The dog was hardly out of control and went straight back to its owner.
 
sky1000 said:
From what I saw 1. Pedantic's horse is fab and 2. the dog didn't seem to be under any sort of control and it should have been.
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This^


No point in criticising OP's bridle path or the fact they rode over a bridge and quite frankly *what of it* it, that is part of a horse route where she is and rides over to continue her route.

OP lovely horse you have, and he or she is a real star riding over it so calmly, and just for the record we have a few bridges like that near here though they are bigger to allow cars too .
Dog walkers dog should be on a lead end of as what if a dog phobia person or child were on the bridge when it rushed up the stairs or a blind man with his dog! foolish of the dog owner and very irresponsible.
 
SpottyMare said:
There is no way on earth I'd ride over that bridge - I'd throw up!

That was a pretty undramatic husky (it could have been a cross though), but that breed really shouldn't be off lead. It's not recommended by breed societies, breed rescues... Nearly every story I've heard about a runaway husky has started 'he's never done that before, his recall has always been ok...' (And before anyone jumps on me, I have one and have owned northern breeds for about 40 years. Mine would have been bouncing up and down, spinning, talking, trying to make friends with horse and rider, then saying hello to the man with the snack sized dog, then he would have seen a squirrel and buggered off at speed, then he would have seen something else and disappeared over the horizon...)
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Completely off subject but why would anyone want a dog that they are unable to leave off a lead? If this is true of the breed then perhaps they just shouldn't be pets.
 
Crugeran Celt said:
Completely off subject but why would anyone want a dog that they are unable to leave off a lead? If this is true of the breed then perhaps they just shouldn't be pets.
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What do you suggest happens to them then? Or to all the people who have dogs with bad recall/not good with other dogs?
 
The dog doesnt do much- one or 2 barks then goes away. Doesnt chase the horse or anything. And why 'FFS'in the title? Unnecessary bad language (even if just initials everyone knows what it means). Dogs are entitled to be off lead, who would want to keep a dog on lead all the time? I could understand you might have had a problem had it chased/attacked your horse, but it didn't.
 
Huskys are notorious for unreliable recall and many breed groups etc recommend you to keep them on a lead at all times anyway. I certainly wouldn't want my dog running off out of sight with a load of traffic about. As the owner is no where to be seen I feel sorry for the dog tbh will end up getting flattened or lost
 
Crugeran Celt said:
Completely off subject but why would anyone want a dog that they are unable to leave off a lead? If this is true of the breed then perhaps they just shouldn't be pets.
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Why? Do you get off your horse in the middle of anywhere and let it run around loose? Alot of places ask for dogs to be on a lead it's not a problem for me personally. Gives me 100% certainty that I know where my dog is and it will not bother people/ livestock etc not everyone wants loose dogs running up to them
 
Crugeran Celt said:
Completely off subject but why would anyone want a dog that they are unable to leave off a lead? If this is true of the breed then perhaps they just shouldn't be pets.
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Dog ownership is way more than just walking them off lead :) Providing they get enough exercise and mental stimulation northern breeds are fabulous pets. They love people, are really intelligent, full of personality - I love them! Mine go to a secure field (6ft fencing above ground, 2ft buried underground) twice a week for an off lead run around, otherwise they're walked on a 2.5m bungee lead secured to a waist belt so they can explore a bit. Running exercise can be taken care of by doing canicross, bikejoring or running them with a rig. On the odd occasion there's enough snow in the UK, they can be attached to a sled :D The bigger breeds (e.g. malamutes) will also carry stuff when hiking, or do weight pulls. Once excercised, they then sleep all day... They will create their own 'fun' if a little bored though.. :P

For folk who are willing to put the work in, they are fabulous pets. Incidentally, on a daily basis I encounter a lot of dogs who should not be off lead because the owners have absolutely no control over them - they're a menace to me both when I'm walking my dogs, and when riding.
 
huskydamage said:
Why? Do you get off your horse in the middle of anywhere and let it run around loose? Alot of places ask for dogs to be on a lead it's not a problem for me personally. Gives me 100% certainty that I know where my dog is and it will not bother people/ livestock etc not everyone wants loose dogs running up to them
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Quite.

Love your user name - appropriate! :D
 
Crugeran Celt said:
Completely off subject but why would anyone want a dog that they are unable to leave off a lead? If this is true of the breed then perhaps they just shouldn't be pets.
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I am with this. Personally, although I know someone who trained a husky in obedience, up to B/C, I dont think they make good pets FOR YOUR AVERAGE PET OWNER purely because they have been bred to think and fend for themselves,, also they dont really suit warm climates and central heating.
As for people saying 'dogs should always be on a lead, you can give them plenty of exercise by running, cycling etc' - I bet all of you think your horses need turnout and 'time to be a horse' - what about dogs having 'time to be dogs',sniffing new sniffs, interacting with other dogs etc?
 
SpringArising said:
Are you really saying dogs on a lead can't sniff around or interact with other dogs?
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Yes! How can a dog interact on a lead- sniffing bums, circling etc without getting tangled? A dog on a lead is not free to be a dog, he can only sniff where the owner wants him to sniff. What a boring life! And what is more pleasurable to a dog owner than to see your pet running round enjoying himself? ANY dog can be trained to recall- its just that a lot of owners dont bother to train them correctly while young enough.
 
stormox said:
...also they dont really suit warm climates and central heating.
As for people saying 'dogs should always be on a lead, you can give them plenty of exercise by running, cycling etc' - I bet all of you think your horses need turnout and 'time to be a horse' - what about dogs having 'time to be dogs',sniffing new sniffs, interacting with other dogs etc?
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I'll tell my two that they don't really suit warm climates and central heating when they're refusing to leave the sofa in the winter... :D

Yes, huskies can be trained. In fact they're very trainable. Just inconsistent, if there's something else they'd much rather be doing...

My dogs have plenty of time to be dogs. They have a garden to sniff around. Just in case you didn't see my post they're walked on a long lead with plenty of opportunity for sniffing etc. I have 2, so they have interaction, they also get to play with my mum's dog. A lot of people who have huskies also have multiples because of they're sociability, plus they can be addictive... One of my friends has 16. Also, dog socialisation is more than just letting random dogs run around together. Doing it properly takes some effort.

I'd also like to point out that you are obliged to be in control of your dog. If you can't see it, or it doesn't respond, then you're not in control.
 
stormox said:
Yes! How can a dog interact on a lead- sniffing bums, circling etc without getting tangled? A dog on a lead is not free to be a dog, he can only sniff where the owner wants him to sniff. What a boring life! And what is more pleasurable to a dog owner than to see your pet running round enjoying himself? ANY dog can be trained to recall- its just that a lot of owners dont bother to train them correctly while young enough.
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I can't even take this post seriously. Surely you're joking?

Your implication that any dog who can't be let off the lead, for whatever reason, leads a boring life is absolutely ridiculous.
 
stormox said:
Yes! How can a dog interact on a lead- sniffing bums, circling etc without getting tangled? A dog on a lead is not free to be a dog, he can only sniff where the owner wants him to sniff. What a boring life! And what is more pleasurable to a dog owner than to see your pet running round enjoying himself? ANY dog can be trained to recall- its just that a lot of owners dont bother to train them correctly while young enough.
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Yeah, I see a lot of those dog owners that like to see their pets 'running around enjoying themselves'. Standing in the same corner of the same field ignoring their pets and gossiping, while their dogs amuse themselves/run off/cause a nuisance... :P
 
SpringArising said:
I can't even take this post seriously. Surely you're joking?

Your implication that any dog who can't be let off the lead, for whatever reason, leads a boring life is absolutely ridiculous.
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All dogs are well kept prisoners. Any dog that can't be let off the lead, for whatever reason has to make do with whatever life he has. Dogs are very adaptable to different types of life. But IMHO a dog has a better life if trained and socialised early so he can be let off the lead. The dog in this video recalls when asked - he doesn't give chase or attack. He is just being a dog. No problem.
 
stormox said:
All dogs are well kept prisoners. Any dog that can't be let off the lead, for whatever reason has to make do with whatever life he has. Dogs are very adaptable to different types of life. But IMHO a dog has a better life if trained and socialised early so he can be let off the lead. The dog in this video recalls when asked - he doesn't give chase or attack. He is just being a dog. No problem.
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Proof that you know very little about huskies. Mine has marvellous recall. We practice in the secure field, just in case I ever have an equipment malfunction. But you can't trust them. As I said before, every story I've heard about a husky that's run off has started with 'he's never done that before....' You might be more lucky with the ones that don't have a particularly high prey drive, or who suffer with separation anxiety, but I still wouldn't trust them. When mine locks on prey, he doesn't hear anything - he's totally focussed on catching whatever has caught his eye, and at that point everything other than his target ceases to exist.
 
The same could be said for sighthounds or any dog for that matter. They all have the same instinct, some stronger than others. All I am saying is innocent till proven guilty - this dog does not run off or chase the horse. He is minding his own business and goes back to owner when called. You cannot judge what may or may not happen in the future. All dogs should learn recall under distraction early in life.
 
SpottyMare said:
, plus they can be addictive... One of my friends has 16.
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I think any person having 16 dogs (specially big ones like huskies) just because 'theyr addictive' is verging on becoming an animal hoarder.
I am assuming this person you are referring to has a sensible reason though, ie a breeder, or has teams of sled dogs?
 
WeeLassie said:
I think any person having 16 dogs (specially big ones like huskies) just because 'theyr addictive' is verging on becoming an animal hoarder.
I am assuming this person you are referring to has a sensible reason though, ie a breeder, or has teams of sled dogs?
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It was a slightly tongue in cheek comment :) But yes - she works with a breed specific rescue and does a lot of fostering...
 
Crugeran Celt said:
Completely off subject but why would anyone want a dog that they are unable to leave off a lead? If this is true of the breed then perhaps they just shouldn't be pets.
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I agree with you. Trouble is on that basis, many breeds shouldn't be pets. I personally wouldn't have a dog I couldn't let off lead, no fun for me or them!
 
stormox said:
The same could be said for sighthounds or any dog for that matter. They all have the same instinct, some stronger than others. All I am saying is innocent till proven guilty - this dog does not run off or chase the horse. He is minding his own business and goes back to owner when called. You cannot judge what may or may not happen in the future. All dogs should learn recall under distraction early in life.
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Yawn... :P No it can't. Breed specific rescues/responsible breeders etc all say the same thing - they cannot be trusted off lead. They also say to train recall because accidents happen and equipment breaks.

Yes, that dog on that occasion went back to his owner. Good. Hopefully, that'll always happen.
 
Well I hope the dog went back to it's owner, as after it came all the way from the ground up the steps to bark at me once, then it ran up the ramp to bark at me again, it then ran off down the ramp, which at the bottom either goes left down the steps I came up, or straight on to the cycle path which runs along next to the dual carriageway, I didn't see or hear any screeching tyres etc, so presume it finally went back to it's owner. It didn't look much under control to me, it's a good job my daughters Patterdale cross wasn't coming over the bridge (Always on it's Lead), or it would have eaten the Husky, good job a child with a fear of dogs wasn't crossing either.
 
huskydamage said:
Why? Do you get off your horse in the middle of anywhere and let it run around loose? Alot of places ask for dogs to be on a lead it's not a problem for me personally. Gives me 100% certainty that I know where my dog is and it will not bother people/ livestock etc not everyone wants loose dogs running up to them
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No I don't but my horse has 15 acres he can run around in with his 5 friends all day everyday if he wishes. As to my dogs they never go on leads, their recall is fantastic and they do not run up to anyone or other dogs whilst out walking, they certainly wouldn't attempt to approach a horse or any other livestock even though they wander through my fields happily with my horses and they take no notice of each other. I just wouldn't want a dog that could never be let of its lead becsuse I was unable to control its behaviour. The breed would not be for me.
 
SpottyMare said:
Dog ownership is way more than just walking them off lead :) Providing they get enough exercise and mental stimulation northern breeds are fabulous pets. They love people, are really intelligent, full of personality - I love them! Mine go to a secure field (6ft fencing above ground, 2ft buried underground) twice a week for an off lead run around, otherwise they're walked on a 2.5m bungee lead secured to a waist belt so they can explore a bit. Running exercise can be taken care of by doing canicross, bikejoring or running them with a rig. On the odd occasion there's enough snow in the UK, they can be attached to a sled :D The bigger breeds (e.g. malamutes) will also carry stuff when hiking, or do weight pulls. Once excercised, they then sleep all day... They will create their own 'fun' if a little bored though.. :P

For folk who are willing to put the work in, they are fabulous pets. Incidentally, on a daily basis I encounter a lot of dogs who should not be off lead because the owners have absolutely no control over them - they're a menace to me both when I'm walking my dogs, and when riding.
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Thank you, you paint a lovely picture of them and if they were all so lucky to have a responsible owner like you there would never be an issue with the breed, I suppose there are many breeds that some people just shouldn't own. Can't blame the dogs.
 
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