Dog peeing in it's bed??

[itsme123]

No sooner have we got over the issue of Jack not wanting OH to play with / touch him have we got another problem.

We've recently moved, and as we're in a GF open plan flat and Jack's used to having his 'own' space (used to be the kitchen gated off) we've gated off the large en suite so he has an area to himself away from the cats and children.
He spends every week day with me, usually out and about, at friend's houses or doing the school run. He's out of the house probably three hours of the day solid, then goes out every hour or so for the loo (walk around the block). When we're home he has free run of the flat and spends evenings cuddled up with OH on the sofa or playing with the cat (he now prefers OH to me...)

However, since the cold weather he refuses to 'go' outside

and will wait till he's inside before he goes. Even to the point of peeing in his bed. He was fully house trained to 'go' on the commnd of "be quick" and the first week here he was great, till the weather changed, now it's like having a dog that isnt housetrained.
I've never had a dog pee in it's bed before, I thought they'd never do that?

when we go out we take him out for a pee beforehand (and he doesnt 'go') , then put him away with his toys and bed, leave, come back and he's pee'd in his bed. If we're here he pees on the floor, never on the carpet, always near his bed...

He shakes when he goes out... should I buy him a little coat? Might that help matters??

I thought he might be not liking the area we've given him, but if we leave the gate open he will take himself to bed in there when he's had enough of our company..

he's due to be castrated on the 27th (had to change vets) so might that make a difference?

Any thoughts would be welcome.

 

[lisa_dundee]

I would rub his nose in it and make it clear that its not acceptable behaviour!

 

[MurphysMinder]

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I would rub his nose in it and make it clear that its not acceptable behaviour!

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I hope I missed the tongue in cheek here!

Charlie, you have had a lot of upheaval recently and if I recall Jack has been with your mother for a while then back with you, it could just be a sign of insecurity in a young dog. Hopefully Cayla will come on here with some words of wisdom

 

[CorvusCorax]

I agree with MM, sounds like insecurity and possibly cold will be adding to that.

A dog's bed/kennel box etc is a 'safe' comforting place and in normal circumstances they would not go there or anywhere near there.


Lisa, I hope you are joking, that practise went out with the ark and makes no sense to a dog, they don't think like we do and will not make any sense.

 

[lisa_dundee]

I was not aware of any upheaval, and there was no tongue in cheek, we have done this with some of our dogs in the past that have persisted in weeing in certain parts of the house and this has solved the problem!!

 

[soloabe]

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I was not aware of any upheaval, and there was no tongue in cheek, we have done this with some of our dogs in the past that have persisted in weeing in certain parts of the house and this has solved the problem!!

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Oh jog on!!

Thats is the most ancient ridiculous method ever.
Maybe your dogs were just terrified of you because you kept shouting at them and they had no clue why??

Let me shove you nose in a pile of p**s that you have no recollection of doing and see how you feel.

Go back under your bridge.

 

[competitiondiva]

My dog hates going out in the rain, she'll go out and turn straight around to come in but I say a firm 'out' and she goes off with her head down to the poo/wee area and does her business before then running in!!! I just have to make sure she goes out and does it before I let her back in otherwise its likely she'd do it overnight in the house too!! The fact he's doing it in his bed too would definately indicate some stress, your recent move would be that, if he needs his own area have you tried a dog crate? Don't shut the door on him but cover the crate over with a blanket, leaving the gate side free so he has free access but because it is enclosed on 3 sides and a roof it may give him a little security.

Other things to look at is he drinking more? weeing more? is he straining and not producing wee at all? Just wondering if the wee in his bed maybe linked to an infection? If your worried a simple urine test would sort that out.

 

[soloabe]

Now on to my real post.

I would try maybe going outside with him and giving him a few treats to let him know he is a good boy for being outside and do like you would do when house training and give huge amounts of praise when he pees outside.

Maybe he is cold but i think it is probably a insecurity issue and being out in the open and vulnerable is scary for him.
Just make sure you praise him not baby him.

 

[lisa_dundee]

lmao yea theyre petrified of me NOT, you dont know me to comment on me or my dogs so dont judge me and how are they supposed to know they are doing wrong if you dont show them, would love you to try rub my nose in piss love anytime lmao!

 

[CorvusCorax]

Sorry, rubbing the nose of a dog in pee after the event does not show it that it has done wrong, dogs just don't think like that.

Agree with Katie, try not to over-fuss.

 

[lisa_dundee]

Well maybe it was a stroke of luck that it worked with 3 of our previous old dogs then!

 

[FestiveSpirit]

Hmmmm.... awaits Cayla's response with interest now

 

[CorvusCorax]

Maybe so. Would you try it with a cat? Or a child who wet the bed? Just interested.

None of the trainers I have ever talked to or any of the books I have read have suggested this as a method.

Sorry Charlie, won't take this any further, hopefully others can offer more helpful advice.

 

[soloabe]

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lmao yea theyre petrified of me NOT, you dont know me to comment on me or my dogs so dont judge me and how are they supposed to know they are doing wrong if you dont show them, would love you to try rub my nose in piss love anytime lmao!

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Your right i don't know you but i do know the method doesn't work!

You have to catch a dog in the moment to discipline them.

Talk to any reputable trainer and they will say exactly what i have.

I'm done with you now.

Where is cavecanem with her bin when you need her!

 

[CAYLA]

I would not recommend the rubbing nose in the pee thing either

not sure why this is practiced, but by the time u get down in the morning, and he did it say 6 hours previous,not sure what rubbing his nose into stale piss would do any more than doing it the instant he did it

As suggested in the post already, I would say, the change of environment and the rain could be possible factors, a lot a single coated breeds hate the rain, you need to as already suggested get your rain coat on

and get on out there with him, on the lead if need be and maybe out of the garden as if he is going on a little walk instead of in yard and door closed, get him a little coat, and when u put the coat on treat him with something he would not get any other time, cheese/chicken!!, so he assosiates the coat with going out and a positive via the treat, put the coat on for normal walks too along with the treat, so he eventually looks forward to getting his little coat on and getting tasty goodies

Also may revert back to his crate for the mean time to offer him as suggested some security, and feed him early as possible and a smaller amount of water to last him over night.

 

[CorvusCorax]

**opens lid**

Sorry about the moths, hasn't been used in a few weeks

 

[RobinHood]

This might be way off the mark but maybe you're taking him out too often so his bladder control has got worse. Every hour sounds very often to me, my dogs have free access to the garden but when the weather's cold the old yorkie only goes once or twice a day. If for whatever reason we have to close the dog flap then I'd only let them out every 3 or 4 hours or when they ask to go.

 

[soloabe]

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lmao yea theyre petrified of me NOT, you dont know me to comment on me or my dogs so dont judge me and how are they supposed to know they are doing wrong if you dont show them, would love you to try rub my nose in piss love anytime lmao!

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Your right i don't know you but i do know the method doesn't work!

You have to catch a dog in the moment to discipline them.

Talk to any reputable trainer and they will say exactly what i have.

I'm done with you now.

Where is cavecanem with her bin when you need her!

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What you turned up while i was writing my post??
Mindreader!!!

 

[lisa_dundee]

I never said I did the next morning, I agree you have to catch them while in the act... and then what... hit them, shout at them, I think not, ive found the rubbing the nose in the wee has worked for us in the past, im not a dog trainer and dont pretend to know loads about dogs, just saying what has worked for us with certain dogs over the years and all my dogs are healthy happy dogs... spoiled to death in fact so think what you like!

 

[CAYLA]

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Hmmmm.... awaits Cayla's response with interest now

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Im trying to write and stop pissing me sell laughing at MM and KHouston

scrap on ladies

I do agree with u though

"I daresent not"

 

[soloabe]

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Hmmmm.... awaits Cayla's response with interest now

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Im trying to write and stop pissing me sell laughing at MM and KHouston

scrap on ladies

I do agree with u though

"I daresent not"

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LMAO Sorry got a bit carried away with my rant, feel much better now mind.

Especially when cc came to my rescue with the bin!

 

[CorvusCorax]

Goodness, I will need a special cape and pants outside my tights soon

I've never been a happy clappy 'you must always use positive reinforcement' person but that nose-rubbing thing has never made sense to me. Surely if you catch them in the act, you can use voice (No, ah-ah) or physical correction (ie move them swiftly, if poss)?

I lost B in thick undergrowth for 15 minutes this evening and when he eventually came back, I was upset and pissed off, but I HAD to praise him for coming back, even though it was the last thing I felt like doing, to reprimand him because of my HUMAN emotion would have been dumb, I had to tell him he was great for finally coming back.
To reprimand him would, to him, seem like I was punishing him for finding me and he would stay away longer next time.

Different circumstances perhaps, but it just made me think.

 

[lisa_dundee]

DOES THIS DOG LOOK SCARED ??

DOES THIS DOG LOOK UNLOVED??

WHAT A LAUGH!!

 

[CorvusCorax]

Chill out petal, no one said your dog was scared or unloved, I just don't understand the reasoning behind your method but if it works for you, then fine.

My dogs have never peed in the house because they are out most of the time so I have never had a problem, TBH.
But it looks like your floors can cope

 

[lisa_dundee]

Well with us being on a farm our out most of the time and the door is open most of the time which is why its really stressing when one of them comes in a persists in peeing on your best bit of axminster lol, one of the above comments did say my dogs are probably scared of me and got the feeling most people were agreeing with her. Thanks x

 

[itsme123]

I agree re the change of enviroment, that makes sense, I just never thought a dog would do his buisness in his own bed... it suprised me.

We don't have a garden here, so all his going outside is done on a lead. I use the lunge line when we go across to the common because i don't *quite* trust his recall, but yes, I'm always with him, rain or shine, out there wether it be 6am or midnight.

I've taken to taking him out hourly purely because of this peeing in the flat buisness. We have a crate and used that here first before the stairgate, and he went crazy

he actually broke the plastic off the bottom of ripped part of it off, so we thought the en suite would be safer as there's nothing he can actually hurt himself on. He doesnt stress in the ensuite, ie no whining, pacing etc, whereas in the crate he was howling and throwing himself round. He was raised in a crate, so i didnt fathom that one, but was happy to go along with whatever he was happy with.

I'll get him a little coat and hope that in time he will settle. he always gets a "Good boy!!! clever Jack!" and a stroke/fuss after he's been outside, we've always done that (initilly used treat rewards but weaned off of that) but will try going back to the treats and see if that helps.

Thankyou everyone

 

[MurphysMinder]

Is he used to going in a garden? It sounds like he has had a complete change of routine. My girls very rarely have a wee on a walk, they are used to just going in the garden on their own. Although it is more unusual in dogs, bitches can sometimes be reluctant to go in different places. I had one bitch who went all day at Crufts (when it was held in London) because she wouldn't use the exercise area covered in shavings (don't blame her it was gross) or anywhere on the concret/tarmac car park. We had to stop at the first services on the M way and take her on some grass, poor girl was desperate thought she was never going to stop peeing.