Dr. Brian May's SAVE ME CAMPAIGN

rosiefronfelen said:
Scratchline, please answer my question on the "brutalised packs of dogs".
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I am not sure what he means. My take on it would be that the hunt take a group of young hounds who have absolutely nothing in their nature that would make them wish to attack foxes and create a situation where they are forced to go against their own instincts.
Its called cubbing and it brutalises otherwise innocent young hounds.
 
Erm...my dog chases all things small and furry and he is not a hound of any description, he is a pastoral breed, it's called prey drive, it has been inbuilt over 100 years and has been adapted for many uses, including their original use, to herd (it's chasing, without catching, essentially) and for protection work (chasing and holding), hounds have been around for a lot longer as well you know and as a knowledgeable doggy man I would have expected more from you Scratch.

I would respect you more if you would just accept that is a duff comment!
 
Pah. What is a "decent death" when its at home?

Blasted with a gun? Snared? Gassed? Mown down on the roads? Or a happy demise in the care of St Tiggywinkles?

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CaveCanem said:
Erm...my dog chases all things small and furry and he is not a hound of any description, he is a pastoral breed, it's called prey drive, it has been inbuilt over 100 years and has been adapted for many uses, including their original use, to herd (it's chasing, without catching, essentially) and for protection work (chasing and holding), hounds have been around for a lot longer as well you know and as a knowledgeable doggy man I would have expected more from you Scratch.

I would respect you more if you would just accept that is a duff comment!
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As a doggy man who spends all his free time out and about in the countryside I have had numerous encounters, planned and unplanned with our foxy friend with different breeds of dog. And pretty much everytime day or night on coming face to face with a fox the dog doesnt know what to do but certainly doesnt attack it! Chase it all day but if the fox is in front of it the dog will not attack.
 
Scratchline said:
As a doggy man who spends all his free time out and about in the countryside I have had numerous encounters, planned and unplanned with our foxy friend with different breeds of dog. And pretty much everytime day or night on coming face to face with a fox the dog doesnt know what to do but certainly doesnt attack it! Chase it all day but if the fox is in front of it the dog will not attack.
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I thought you bred bull greyhounds/lurchers? Or were at least aware of them? They will certainly take down a fox.

Our prey du jour is currently the Irish hare, luckily for them they are protected and my dog is known as Captain Slow - although if he got within spitting distance of a fox I have no doubt he would take it on.
I have done nothing to encourage this behaviour and I would rather he didn't, for my own sanity.
 
CaveCanem said:
I thought you bred bull greyhounds/lurchers? Or were at least aware of them? They will certainly take down a fox.
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Yes and yes but I would have let them run around in the street surrounded by children or other peoples pets either. Other lurchers, terriers etc I have had just saw a fox as another dog, a bit of a wierd smelling one and wouldnt have dreamt of attacking it.
My point is simply young hounds will not freely go out and attack/kill foxes.
 
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one, my fella has seen one from a distance and I definitely had to hang on tight, there was a bit of the red mist about him :o

Most dogs will take prey by the neck in my experience. That is how you can debunk a lot of these big cat sightings/killings - because the sheep are always taken from the neck.
Look at a cheetah taking down a gazelle, always from the back.
Look at a dogfight, most of the time, they go for the neck.
Years ago I called a dog off a sheep (no comment!!!) and she was standing over it with her mouth poised over it's neck. Sheep survived. Dog got a rollicking.
 
Scratchline said:
I take it you know what other campaigning he is involved having made such a bold statement?
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I have no idea of any other campaigns that Brian supports, apart from AIDS, perhaps.

I am actually quite surprised to hear about this, I have never heard of Brian, or any other members of Queen, using their fame to support anything other than music (except for Live Aid and AIDS charities) and I never had him down as a bunny hugger.
 
perfect11s said:
I coulden't care less, no not being filppant Im sick of these hasbeens with there potty views insulated as they are from real life by wealth and toady hanger ons and arse licking staff.. OK kid ???
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As much as I love Queen (I was brought up to be a fan, I even went to one of their concerts when I was an embryo!), I have to agree with perfect11s there.
 
Scratchline said:
As a doggy man who spends all his free time out and about in the countryside I have had numerous encounters, planned and unplanned with our foxy friend with different breeds of dog. And pretty much everytime day or night on coming face to face with a fox the dog doesnt know what to do but certainly doesnt attack it! Chase it all day but if the fox is in front of it the dog will not attack.
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I have to disagree here, a friend of mine found a fox in her hen house once, and as she chased it out into the yard, her dalmatian grabbed it and killed it. AFAIA, dalmatians are not a hunting breed, and this dog had never been worked or trained in any way, he was just a pet.
 
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Scratchline, if this is what May has said, if, then he a) wants to learn some manners by speaking as such to a public forum as he comes over as an illiterate idiot - unworthy of any recognition, never mind a CBE,and b) his description of young hounds, just been entered is totally untrue and therefore totally misleading.hounds are bred to hunt and as pups soon pick up all sorts of scents, they have been bred for a specific job for hundreds of years so to say they are brutalised is a wicked thing to write. i'd tell him myself if i had half a chance- he should hang his head in shame!!!
 
marmalade76 said:
That is a rather bold statement! :p

Why not do a poll and prove it?
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Its not bold, its extremely insulting. While discussions can get out of hand on this forum, with regards to the subject of hunting, there is normally a fairly well balanced argument for and against - without insulting either side. Do not presume to speak on my behalf or attempt to bully me with your poorly researched arguments.

Oh BTW - born, brought up and still living in ..... the countryside..
 
i am in fact a washed up has been lol ,im also on the side of the fox and would still like to see them around in the future and thats not going to be the case if people continue to go around snaring , gasing and shooting at them allowing them to limp around and starve to death leaving cubs to die . i too used to be a bunny hugger untill i knew more about hunting and now i belive its much less cruel than all of the above . The behavior of some antis also really does not help . (formerly trac managed to sort it lol )
 
Luci07 said:
Its not bold, its extremely insulting. While discussions can get out of hand on this forum, with regards to the subject of hunting, there is normally a fairly well balanced argument for and against - without insulting either side. Do not presume to speak on my behalf or attempt to bully me with your poorly researched arguments.

Oh BTW - born, brought up and still living in ..... the countryside..
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I have presumed nothing - it was Scratchline who presumed that the majority of forum members are anti-hunting, I have merely invited him to post a poll to back up his claim.
 
Scratchline said:
My point is simply young hounds will not freely go out and attack/kill foxes.
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Having 'walked' more than a dozen young foxhounds, from the age of 8 weeks, I can assure you that is absolute nonsense!! All the pups I walked had chased a fox by the time they were 6 months old with NO encouragement. Two 5 month old bitches but up a fox in my woods and finally lost it two miles away - they then flagged down a passing motorist who took them home with her where they proceeded to hunt her ducks!! (She was very pleased when I collected them! :D)

The hunting instinct has been selectively bred into hounds for hundreds of years! The only 'training' you have to give a foxhound is to train it NOT to hunt other species! And as they're not trained to retrieve, killing the fox is a pretty inevitable outcome of catching it!

Other breeds that have been bred for other jobs - eg - Golden Retrievers -will still almost ALWAYS kill a rat instantly when they catch it (because they know instinctively it will bite!) My Golden regularly caught rabbits and NEVER deliberately killed one - he'd bring it back to me - although the odd one expired on the way! Thankfully, he wasn't so thoughtful with rats - snap, dead!
 
marmalade76 said:
I have to disagree here, a friend of mine found a fox in her hen house once, and as she chased it out into the yard, her dalmatian grabbed it and killed it. AFAIA, dalmatians are not a hunting breed, and this dog had never been worked or trained in any way, he was just a pet.
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I happily accept that but would suggest it was a one off rather than the norm with dogs.
 
rosiefronfelen said:
Scratchline, if this is what May has said, if, then he a) wants to learn some manners by speaking as such to a public forum as he comes over as an illiterate idiot - unworthy of any recognition, never mind a CBE,and b) his description of young hounds, just been entered is totally untrue and therefore totally misleading.hounds are bred to hunt and as pups soon pick up all sorts of scents, they have been bred for a specific job for hundreds of years so to say they are brutalised is a wicked thing to write. i'd tell him myself if i had half a chance- he should hang his head in shame!!!
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Sorry rosiefronfelen but if he said what? He said brutalised ie turned into brutes and I added what I thought he may mean. Tbh to suggest him writing such a thing is wicked is something you can and perhaps should put to him via his campaign which he is fully involved in with us supporters. Having seen his response to the pro hunting leader of LC council and based on the fact that he see's hunters as the lowest of the low then you should take a stiff drink before reading Dr. Bri's reply lol
 
rosiefronfelen said:
yes, lets have a poll from the almighty ones who say they know better than the hunters.
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Ideal. Winner takes all. The hunters can vote if they suppport hunting. Save verbal reprisal considering the nature of some of you those against dont vote. Losers leave the forum ( you can shack up with your hounds), and close the stable door on your way out! x
 
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