dressage...behind the vertical

_GG_ said:
And you are the perfect example of a rider with a very talented but quirky horse who has had to learn how no one rule fits all. ;) xxx
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haha there is that, she does it all, behind the vertical, in front of the vertical, quite nicely on the vertical but with mouth wide open, vertical waving to the judges (thankfully this was a brief phase for her!) etc.

To first sort our contact 'issues' out I had to stop pussy footing around it and actually take hold. I had to stop letting her evade me and then me dropping the contact, this invariably led to moments of btv before she learnt to take the contact forward. Without me keeping a contact she would never have learnt to keep hold either!
Sorry a simplified version and I'm not saying we're holding/leaning on each other just that the contact is a two way communication.

There have been times, as have been said, that going btv has massively improved her with the aim of it strengthening her rather than it being the end result. Currently we are using a lower longer frame for canter work as she isn't quite strong enough for the more advanced 'up' frame, however if someone thought that it is what we want as we work up the levels I'd think that they've never had to train their own horses!

There are plenty of frankly hideous pics of us out there but I'd hope people would think that they were showing just a moment in time. With regards judging, we don't tend to get btv comments but do get a lot of 'inconsistant contact' and 'tense' comments, even in tests which are high 60%'s touching 70%, the rest of the work was nice so our scores were good but we still lost marks for the contact and frame.

Sorry _GG_ you set me off, I'll bow out with my mumbled ramblings now :D

x x
 
AlexHyde said:
haha there is that, she does it all, behind the vertical, in front of the vertical, quite nicely on the vertical but with mouth wide open, vertical waving to the judges (thankfully this was a brief phase for her!) etc.

To first sort our contact 'issues' out I had to stop pussy footing around it and actually take hold. I had to stop letting her evade me and then me dropping the contact, this invariably led to moments of btv before she learnt to take the contact forward. Without me keeping a contact she would never have learnt to keep hold either!
Sorry a simplified version and I'm not saying we're holding/leaning on each other just that the contact is a two way communication.

There have been times, as have been said, that going btv has massively improved her with the aim of it strengthening her rather than it being the end result. Currently we are using a lower longer frame for canter work as she isn't quite strong enough for the more advanced 'up' frame, however if someone thought that it is what we want as we work up the levels I'd think that they've never had to train their own horses!

There are plenty of frankly hideous pics of us out there but I'd hope people would think that they were showing just a moment in time. With regards judging, we don't tend to get btv comments but do get a lot of 'inconsistant contact' and 'tense' comments, even in tests which are high 60%'s touching 70%, the rest of the work was nice so our scores were good but we still lost marks for the contact and frame.

Sorry _GG_ you set me off, I'll bow out with my mumbled ramblings now :D

x x
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Makes perfect sense. The reason I directed the OP to the Armas threads was because he was a perfect example of a very willing and lovely horse who needed a lot of work to undo what had previously been done. To James' credit, he never just accepted and has tried many options until he has now, finally found the one that works with a member of this forum who is doing a fantastic job. The thing with his videos is that you can break it down and actually see him become more confident when he is ridden with contact behind the vertical...a place where he put himself as an evasion.

I would just like to OP to see and understand that what you see in a horse is not necessarily, in fact, is hardly ever what the rider is actually working towards, but just a period of training on the way to trying to get there.
 
_GG_ said:
I would just like to OP to see and understand that what you see in a horse is not necessarily, in fact, is hardly ever what the rider is actually working towards, but just a period of training on the way to trying to get there.
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Perfect sense - and concisely communicated. Thank you.

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Tnavas said:
Great post GG with great information.

Wish I could come to understand how to do the multiple quotes! :D
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To the right of the "Reply with Quote" option in the bottom right of the reply box, there is a small red quote mark box with a + sign next to it. Just click that on all the posts you want to quote and on the final post you want to quote, hit reply with quote. Then, when you reply, you'll see them all, each starting with [/QUOTE] and ending with [/QUOTE]

Just put your reply to each after the end quote of one and before the start quote of the next xx
 
_GG_ said:
To the right of the "Reply with Quote" option in the bottom right of the reply box, there is a small red quote mark box with a + sign next to it. Just click that on all the posts you want to quote and on the final post you want to quote, hit reply with quote. Then, when you reply, you'll see them all, each starting with
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and ending with [/QUOTE]

Just put your reply to each after the end quote of one and before the start quote of the next xx[/QUOTE]

Thank you :D
 
Alot of Bling? I'd like to see that! Something like this?

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kate2323 said:
GG's post are great...agree..princess sparkle ...mmm think there is a alot more bling there than actual knowledge....
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Um, thank you....but have you missed that I have agreed with every word PS has said on this thread. Her knowledge far outweighs most and I include myself in that. I think that post was entirely unnecessary and I had a degree of understanding for you...until now.

It seems I can still be shocked by the behaviour of humans!
 
kate2323 said:
sorry but you were polite and PS attacked me.. fact.
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No. That's not fact, it's perception and only you have perceived PS's posts to be attacking. In actual fact, they were just blunt...but quite rightly so I think. Please rethink as you owe PS an apology. If you are a genuine newbie, and have no personal vendetta against her, apologise for a foolish comment and start afresh, otherwise you create a very unpleasant persona for yourself. This place can be amazing, but not when we post erroneous statements and get rude just because others lay the truth bare.
 
I wasnt making any personal comment - I just asked for an intelligent debate...but i am sorry but PS said about me "there are too many people who dont understand how to develop a horse from prelim to GP out there spouting nonsense on the internet........"
This is not a very nice comment and totally not in the spirit of what I was debating...
there is such a large school of thought of BTV and training and I am a classicist who trains a very sensitive way .. I was only asking for a debate...I have taken the personal attacks as I still believe in the spirit of this discussion and obviously some people get very worked up but honestly i am chilled and relaxed ....just want to see the general consensus ....and so far have deduced most people are very much on the defensive and seem to actually condone btv....
- that is approve or sanction it with reluctance!
 
That was a general observation from PS... and totally true! It wasn't personal at all!!??

It is relevant what you do with your own horses, I am but a mere novice compared to many on this thread and I can tell you which ones I would absorb as much advice as they could give me from. (I won't though).
 
Well yes, that was rude of PS... Or perhaps the precedent was set by this:

there are too many people not understanding the anatomy of the horse out there competing....
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Damn it. Didn't mean to do that. Do not feed the troll.
 
If one ignores the OP's comments, Ester, I think it's been a fab thread...

(Not least for my inspired Douglas Adams ref and the pic of the Alot. I'm proud of those, even if I'm being ignored :p )
 
kate2323 said:
I wasnt making any personal comment - I just asked for an intelligent debate...but i am sorry but PS said about me "there are too many people who dont understand how to develop a horse from prelim to GP out there spouting nonsense on the internet........"
This is not a very nice comment and totally not in the spirit of what I was debating...
there is such a large school of thought of BTV and training and I am a classicist who trains a very sensitive way .. I was only asking for a debate...I have taken the personal attacks as I still believe in the spirit of this discussion and obviously some people get very worked up but honestly i am chilled and relaxed ....just want to see the general consensus ....and so far have deduced most people are very much on the defensive and seem to actually condone btv....
- that is approve or sanction it with reluctance!
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Err ok. I have to be honest, the first thing I thought when I read your original post was that you seemed quite aggressive in your posting style and attitude.
 
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