duallys

[lolobundo]

hi
not sure if this is in the right section or not, but can people help me. i'm just about to buy a dually for my pony as we occassional have loading difficulties. i was wondering what sort of activies and ground work i can do with him to get him used to the dually? thanks

 

[dany]

Your best bet is to ask Suzanne Marshall to pop up and show you, i was about to have her for Seo, but then the snow came.

Failing that, I can pop down and show you some basics when you get it. Most of the things ive been shown involed backing up round corners and through poles.

 

[treacle_beastie]

Hi, the dually comes with an instructional DVD which shows you the exercises you can do. Basic groundwork really, asking to walk on at your pace, stopping when you ask, backing up when you ask etc etc.

 

[lolobundo]

thanks for that. thanks dany, i would really appreciate that if you could come up and help me and his owner as neither have used them before

 

[Happy Hunter]

have a look online for plenty of Monty Roberts or Intelligent Horsemanship!

i like the - walking forwards, oh i stopped, oh you stopped too - clever pony game. - A video works much better!

 

[better half]

Save your money, you can do all the ground work without a dually and get a better relationship with your pony. Using any pressure halters will set up resentment and you will not get a genuine result. It's like putting in a stronger bit rather than learning feel and communication.

 

[lachlanandmarcus]

Odd that as it worked a treat for mine and he is lots happier now, loads happily and without a fuss and ears pricked. Not resentful or browbeaten at all, just a happy loading horse and a relaxed happy owner.

Do recommend the video tho, as it could be harmful if not used as it is intended.

 

[georgiegirl]

absolutely go and buy one!!!! I am not into this natural horsemanship lark whatsoever (and actually the headcollar itself isnt NH but plain common sense!)

I used to have a mare who was an absolute pig to load. She wasnt scared one bit, in fact she used to plant herself on the ramp and let out a great big sigh, infuruating stubborn thing!

We tried the lot, lunge line, following someone else in the box, brush up her backside, got totally ripped off with some 'natural horsemanship' guy who I shall not name but he lives near me - didnt get her to load and charged me £80 for the privilage!

I bought the dually second hand so got no instruction dvd with it and what i did will probably get me shot down in flames...... when she planted i basically give her such a short sharp tug on it she practically sat on her bum but then proceeded to walk calmly up the ramp. After that i always had it on for loading just in case but never had to use it.

as i say, this mare was NOT scared, she was very very stubborn (which is in fact how she was with an awful lot of other things) so such methods wouldnt work with a horse who was frightened.

If you have one who is nervous then I tend to give them their tea in the trailer every single day until it becomes second nature. Its time consuming to do but does work.

good luck!

 

[treacle_beastie]

yes i wouldnt be without mine either - used to do groundwork before my dually but the dually transformed her. I use the headcollar everyday but only uses the nose rope rings if she is being a wombat and i need some extra help. as soon as i clip it on she behaves - that might be cos i relax but i dont care - it works for us and i have less broken bones and battles with my horse as a result!

 

[lolobundo]

thanks. he isnt scared when loading, he is just stubborn. he used to load fine but recently someone else on the yard loaded him and wasnt very nice to him so after that he just plants his feet and refuses to move or backs up so will definatly try the dually. where can i look for a second hand one?

 

[georgiegirl]

i got mine through a friend but im pretty sure they come up on ebay.

is it worth asking round any horsey people you know to see if there is one you can borrow? at least then if it doesnt help you wont have wasted your money.

 

[better half]

I am sure quick fixes can work, but it is not being documented how many times it causes more problems. I am just for people having a more informed choice. They are sold 'for the good of the horse' along with Join-up and this is misleading as pressure halters and join up cause submission not co-operation.

 

[treacle_beastie]

ebay? you'll need to make sure you get the right colour for your horse as the 3 different colours are diff sizes

 

[lolobundo]

I'm going to ask around and see if I can borrow one. I think it's a red one I need. Is the red the small one?

 

[Snoozinsusan]

I've bought them on ebay but still quite expensive. There are 3 sizes (different colours) and should come with the DVD.

I have used them on various equines, from a naughty 10hh mule to my 2yo IDx filly and would highly recommend them. Much better than some other pressure halters which seemed a bit harsh IMO.

 

[georgiegirl]

im not sure to be honest..... mine was a black one which i used on a 16hh. I think this must have been large as i had to do it up a fair way.

Be sure to do the noseband fairly tight though to stop it moving round on your horses head.

maybe worth googling them and seeing if the main site/distributor has any more info on sizing?

 

[treacle_beastie]

red small/pony
black cob/small horse
blue - large/full size

 

[lolobundo]

thanks so i need a red one

 

[KVH]

Yeah def red Lois, I have a black on Lady as she has a big head and it fits her well, but the black does come up big.
I'm sure there was a red one on TRF being advertised? Maybe put up a post on there to see if you can borrow one (it's Katie with Lady)

 

[lolobundo]

Thanks Katie, will have a look on trf. I know his owner put a post up on there looking for one

 

[dany]

Check the price on the website, before buying on ebay, if noticed that it can sometimes be cheaper. Cheaper again is buying direct from Monty's site, as the pound is good against the dollar. I think it worked out as about £27 on last look x

 

[leogeorge]

IHK, I'm just wondering why am I seeing more and more photos of duallys that have had the rope bit covered in fleece or some other soft material? Is the rope proving to be a bit harsh on the nose?

 

[Spyda]

If you've a strong, stuborn individual to deal with I should think a Dually might be considered a preferable swap for many of the alternatives widely adopted by those that don't possess one, i.e. chifney, chain over the nose, rope over the nose, rope/chain through the mouth, etc.

I don't own or use a Dually, although I do know people that have used them and have seen them in use. Properly used I'd consider a correctly used Dually more humane than many of the alternatives often adopted or recommended to control the unruly horse.

 

[rogerted]

Have had brilliant result with our Dually. Our three year old travelled perfectly but refused point blank to load. Would lash out, stand up, try to whip round and charge off etc. While he was on his break, we bought a Dually at Dublin Show ( pricey at 40 euro but thought if it worked then it was money well spent). There was such a run on the headcollars at the show that ours had to be ordered and it took about 6 weeks to arrive. So delighted that it worked like magic the first time we tried it. Watched the DVD and did little bit of work with him in school but didn't really feel that our horse had felt the effect of the noseband. However he went straight up the ramp, ears pricked and has done so ever since. Would really recommend it!

 

[Spyda]

Jeepers!!!

Just looked on eBay and some are asking £61 for a Dually! Bl**dy hell. How much????? Talk about inflation

I've two old red ones kicking about in the shed - and at that that price I think I'll dig them out and list them on eBay!!!! Could give me a well needed bonus for Christmas

 

[leogeorge]

If you've a strong, stuborn individual to deal with I should think a Dually might be considered a preferable swap for many of the alternatives widely adopted by those that don't possess one, i.e. chifney, chain over the nose, rope over the nose, rope/chain through the mouth, etc.

But isn't that what a Dually is? A headcollar with additional rope over the nose?... All be it a very expensive version .

 

[Steorra]

Firstly, ditto what Spyda said.

leogeorge - about the rope over the nose - yes I guess it is. However, I believe a correctly fitted dually should have the 'pressure' section over the bony part of the horse's face. When people put a rope around the nose in a normal headcollar it can end up too low down, on the very sensitive soft part of the nose. Unless you are sensible and slip it through the noseband at both sides.

I'd rather see a dually than a chain through the mouth, which seems to be technique of the season in some circles.

However, I prefer my old fashioned rope halter (though even that hasn't seen daylight in years), because it releases instantly so it is easier to get your timing right.

 

[only_me]

Can you not just buy a rope headcollar?

The knots exert pressure when pulled against, when horse comes forward the pressure releases.
Thats what I use

 

[pastie2]

I have a very volitile TB, before the snow I was riding in a Dually, she was going very nicely in it.I wouldnt go hunting in one, but for hacking and schooling it worked well. A red one fits a TB correctly BTW.

 

[Foxy53]

Have I slipped into a parrallel universe....... What on earth is a "dually" it sounds like something from tandem driving. Do I need to "wise up" on horsey terms to keep my street cred?

What's wrong with using a bridle? When I was nowt but a twinkle, blah blah......