Dudley yellow?

[Clodagh]

I occasionally get a ‘fox red Labrador group’ stumble accidentally into my fb feed. The main query is ‘is my dog fox red’. Then there is much talk of furbabies. It’s all very luvvy. .
Anyway what is a Dudley yellow? Anyone know of this? It looks like a yellow lab to me.

 

[Spot the Merry Risk]

Sure they don’t mean cuddly yellow?!

 

[blackcob]

Brown-based yellow - pink/brown nose and eye rims.

 

[Clodagh]

Brown-based yellow - pink/brown nose and eye rims.

Well aren’t you just a fount of information! Thank you.

 

[blackcob]

I had to sit through a lengthy committee meeting about the same subject in schips, may my boredom have been useful for something!

In any event, the UK breed standard now permits cream/gold (yellow) schips to have a brown nose instead of just black.

 

[Clodagh]

I had to sit through a lengthy committee meeting about the same subject in schips, may my boredom have been useful for something!

In any event, the UK breed standard now permits cream/gold (yellow) schips to have a brown nose instead of just black.

Interesting to know. May well not have been to debate!
I can’t imagine your little fluffy being any colour other than black!

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

I take on board what black cob but otherwise I would have just thought it was a yellow dog named Dudley!

 

[Spot the Merry Risk]

So does brown base literally mean a (chocolate) brown ancestor?

Interested as our Agnes, bred by us, had litter siblings who were black but also not quite black - v dark brown I suppose. All breeding known.

 

[blackcob]

Time to plug one of my favourite sites:

Dog Coat Colour Genetics

 

[Clodagh]

So does brown base literally mean a (chocolate) brown ancestor?

Interested as our Agnes, bred by us, had litter siblings who were black but also not quite black - v dark brown I suppose. All breeding known.

I think the brownie tinge on a black comes from the parents carrying yellow. My pup is ever so slightly brownish and I was asking a man yesterday about his bitches, he breeds a lot, and he said his brownier ones all carried yellow.

 

[I'm Dun]

Brown-based yellow - pink/brown nose and eye rims.

oh thats what the lab at work is! I thought she was just badly bred

 

[BallyJ]

Standard vs Dudley!

 

[Clodagh]

But a putty coloured nose occurs in all yellows? Yes I can see the difference there though.

 

[BallyJ]

I think their eyes look oddly human! But I’m a fussy Labrador owner

 

[Clodagh]

I think their eyes look oddly human! But I’m a fussy Labrador owner

I think they are pretty. But I very much doubt any are seriously working bred!

 

[Keith_Beef]

schips

Is this a trendy abbreviation for Schipperke?

 

[blackcob]

Is this a trendy abbreviation for Schipperke?

Not so much trendy as ‘oh god, she’s banging on about those little black wotsits again’. But yes.

But a putty coloured nose occurs in all yellows? Yes I can see the difference there though.

In dogs with otherwise black pigmentation, is that what I would call ‘snow nose’ - seasonal colour changes where it turns wholly or partly pink?

 

[Mrs. Glittery Jingle Balls]

One of my yellows back in the day had a pale nose and eye rims, this was over 50 years ago though, does that mean its pedigree might have been a bit iffy? I don't think I have actually seen another one since. Either way she was a sweetheart.

 

[Clodagh]

Not so much trendy as ‘oh god, she’s banging on about those little black wotsits again’. But yes.



In dogs with otherwise black pigmentation, is that what I would call ‘snow nose’ - seasonal colour changes where it turns wholly or partly pink?

My yellows have had black noses when young but they’ve faded. Some yellows keep a proper black.

 

[Clodagh]

My very best girl as a pup and teenager had a pitch black nose.
She’s not here now.

 

[Sprout]

Fascinating thread … I had no idea!
Sounds like a Farrow & Ball paint colour!

 

[MurphysMinder]

That pale nose used to be called winter nose in GSDs because the pigment usually came back in summer. Maybe they were dudley black and golds

 

[P3LH]

Most the lab folk I know always said it came from yellows with chocolates behind them or yellow to chocolate matings.

I’ve seen lots with the Dudley noise and pigment that have sort of aqua coloured eyes too.

 

[Thistle]

A Dudley Labrador is a Labrador Retriever with a pink or liver-brown colored nose, eye rims, and paws due to a lack of black pigment.

They are essentially yellow Labs that have lost the ability to produce the dark pigment that gives Labs their dark features.


This is due to a recessive combination of genes (eebb), which prevent dominant dark pigment from forming and the recessive brown pigment genes instead show. Dudley Labs also often have pale-colored eyes – typically yellow, blue or teal.

Really good explanation here together with diagrams

https://lagunalabradors.com/what-is-a-dudley-labrador/

 

[Mrs. Glittery Jingle Balls]

Thank you Thistle, very interesting, the link with that beautiful picture looks very, very similar to the one I once had.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

So does brown base literally mean a (chocolate) brown ancestor?

Interested as our Agnes, bred by us, had litter siblings who were black but also not quite black - v dark brown I suppose. All breeding known.

Liver, please!

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

A Dudley Labrador is a Labrador Retriever with a pink or liver-brown colored nose, eye rims, and paws due to a lack of black pigment.

They are essentially yellow Labs that have lost the ability to produce the dark pigment that gives Labs their dark features.


This is due to a recessive combination of genes (eebb), which prevent dominant dark pigment from forming and the recessive brown pigment genes instead show. Dudley Labs also often have pale-colored eyes – typically yellow, blue or teal.

Really good explanation here together with diagrams

https://lagunalabradors.com/what-is-a-dudley-labrador/

Now that's odd because old-fashioned Labs were meant to have yellow eyes.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

But a putty coloured nose occurs in all yellows? Yes I can see the difference there though.

We've had black nosed yellows in the past. I'm just trying to remember if any were from a black/yellow mating but almost all have had multi-coloured pedigrees.

 

[Thistle]

Toast is black nosed, black eye liner dark eyes and black skin, he's red/yellow, black mum carrying yellow, red/yellow dad

Freya has paler skin, but not a Dudley, her black nose as a pup went pink but has a clear black edge and is darker in summer, her eye liner is dark, her eyes slightly paler than Toasts and her coat colour is similar. Her parents both red/yellow. Her grandfather Copperbirch Paddy is know for throwing pale noses apparently.


Colour genetics are fascinating, so many things going on. Just don't get me started on the dilutes, silver, charcoal and champagne. I'm not a fan!

 

[poiuytrewq]

I think I saw the same post. Was it the one where people were getting a bit snippy and the term Dudley was said to have come from back yard breeders?