Dun Horses

[quirky]

Thank You

I didn't think she was a dun but I got confused about the dorsal stripe

, I knew you'd come up with an answer

 

[misamisa]

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So, just to clarify, if a horse has a dorsal stripe it is some variation of dun?

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No, I'm afraid not.

A dun horse must have a dorsal stripe. No stripe, no dun. But having a dorsal stripe doesn't make a horse a dun. Many non dun horses have dorsals. Their dorsals are called countershading, and are often (tho not always) much more blurred than a true duns.

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Exactly like my girl.
She's Silver Buckskin with the countershading

*digs out picture*

Thats it. I'm not tall enough to get her whole back in one picture lol.

 

[Walrus]

So, if the welsh D I know is a sandy / golden colour with a black mane and tail and black from his feet to his knees or hocks and a dark gray-ish nose but no dorsal stripe what colour is he?

I'm not picking, just genuinely interested as I would always say he was dun and would have no idea how to describe him if not!

 

[sqippa]

Don't know about famous ones really but mines lovely!!

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[varkie]

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So, if the welsh D I know is a sandy / golden colour with a black mane and tail and black from his feet to his knees or hocks and a dark gray-ish nose but no dorsal stripe what colour is he?

I'm not picking, just genuinely interested as I would always say he was dun and would have no idea how to describe him if not!

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Sounds like he's probably a buckskin. This pony below is a buckskin:

 

[Toast]

My appy has a dorsal stripe! The hair doesnt come through dark, the skin is grey so the hair comes through grey, but the rest of his white bits are clearly pink skinned (all apart from his spots) and all apart from this apparent strange little 'dorsal stripe' that he has haha
x

 

[tabithakat64]

Islay is my favourite dun

My horse is my favourite buckskin

I also think Blue Circle Boy is lush though.

 

[Law]

I quite like my 'successful' dun... except he's Buckskin

He is particularly successful at waving feed buckets!

I think you can see his true 'talent' there! (I have plenty more but not on PB)

 

[Walrus]

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So, if the welsh D I know is a sandy / golden colour with a black mane and tail and black from his feet to his knees or hocks and a dark gray-ish nose but no dorsal stripe what colour is he?

I'm not picking, just genuinely interested as I would always say he was dun and would have no idea how to describe him if not!

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Sounds like he's probably a buckskin. This pony below is a buckskin:

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Ah I see - I had it in my head buckskin was a type of dun! (and then got confused about the dorsal stripe). That looks like his colour. I thought buckskin was a really americanised term - I kind of associate it with quarter horses! oops.

And PatMcFat - sorry for hijacking your thread!

 

[varkie]

Nope, buckskin & dun, two totally different things, caused by totally different genes.

 

[Patty_McFatty]

Even after all this, I will continue to call my horse Dun (dorsal stripe or not) as thats what it says on his passport!

Any more succesful Duns (by which i mean Buckskins or whatever else is yellowish with black points).

Walrus, Hiijack away, you're educating us all! Though I was the same, I always thought buckskin was only America being awkward.

 

[sqippa]

There was one at the eventers grand prix at the RIHS this year..
can't remember its name, something 'dun' related.


Funny, having read all the posts I now have no idea what colour Barnaby is but like you I'm going to stick with Dun, best and most recognisable desciption I feel.


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[sqippa]

Correct that, horse was, 'I've been Dun' ridden by Sacha Pemble, came 12th, nice looking but probably not actually a dun

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[Patty_McFatty]

Sqip for all we know it could be a "Silver Dappled Buckskin with a counter shaded Dorsal stripe"

bet it would still say Dun on its passport

 

[sqippa]

Quite! My boy is golden with black mane and tail and I'm sorry but that is a dun a my book, and Barnaby's passport!

Hope you have fun with your Dun!

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[burtondog]

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Quite! My boy is golden with black mane and tail and I'm sorry but that is a dun a my book, and Barnaby's passport!

Hope you have fun with your Dun!

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I'm with you on this. I know that technically there all these rules for what's dun / buckskin or whatever but when people in the UK refer to duns I always think of a yellow horse with a black mane and tail like my first horse (below) and my current horse (in signature).

 

[Patty_McFatty]

Amen to that.
Does your sig. horse have a white bit on its neck? Thats the nicest thing!

 

[Enfys]

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Keehl, by the way, is that your palomino?

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Nope, It's a Comtois picture I found lol.

I have a Silver Dappled Buckskin with a counter shaded Dorsal stripe though lol.

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Photo please

I have no idea what that colour looks like, although Stinkbomb on here has a silver dapple so maybe yours will be like Inky in colour.

 

[burtondog]

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Amen to that.
Does your sig. horse have a white bit on its neck? Thats the nicest thing!

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Yes, it's his only bit of white apart from his stockings/socks. You can see it better in this picture (please ignore my bad position we've not long been jumping!).

 

[Puppy]

I do admire your horse every time I see your sig

He is stunning!

 

[SirenaXVI]

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Duns MUST have a dorsal stripe, buckskins MAY have one, but equally may not. The dorsal stripe of a true dun will be crisp & clear, as if drawn with a biro & ruler.

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That would make my dapple grey a dun.

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She may well be Pups, she is probably a greying dun.

Sirena is actually a dun and had an eel stripe, darker head and leg bandings - she is now almost pure white (damn and blast it!)

 

[charliesarmy]

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Fiddlesticks who represented GB at Hartpury Dressage just last month.
He is a super horse.

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I love Fiddlesticks he is by a stallion I was contemplating using on my mare...Hoping to get a Buckskin but been told my mare would never carry a buckskin even if I put her to a double dilute

but then again Fiddlesticks daddy is black

 

[burtondog]

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I do admire your horse every time I see your sig

He is stunning!

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Thank you Puppy. I like all of yours too, particularly the one on the far right, looks quite chunky, just my type.

 

[Patty_McFatty]

Burtondog I am considering putting coat whitener on my Famous Freddie (my dun) in an attempt to recreate your horses neck!

Also, i saw ur b4 and after post - amazing, well done!

 

[SirenaXVI]

What colour is your mare? I ask because if you put her to a double dilute (Cremello or Perlino) you would most certainly get a single dilute and, depending on whether her or the stallions base genes are red or agouti (bay), you would either get a buckskin or a palomino.

Fiddlesticks daddy could be a smokey black, which is the single dilute version of black, a palomino being single dilute chestnut and a buckskin being single dilute bay.

 

[varkie]

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Hoping to get a Buckskin but been told my mare would never carry a buckskin even if I put her to a double dilute

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What colour is your mare?

 

[ester]

did the term 'buckskin' come over from the US?

hence why we call duns dun ie in UK we didn't have another term for it so anything with a sandy base/black mane and tail was a dun.

I find the genetics interesting but also wonder if people are trying to make their horses colours sound more interesting! and why general lay people can't stick to the colours in they eye spy horses book.

 

[SirenaXVI]

No as has been said, they are two totally different genes, the dun gene is probably the oldest or most 'primitive' colour gene and comes along with eel stripes, darker heads and leg bandings. The cream gene is more like the grey gene in that it has an effect on a base colour rather than creates the colour, for instance cream on bay gives buckskin.

 

[Patty_McFatty]

To be honest, I am sick of hearing about double diluted,-smokey-silver-buckskin-dun, with inverted dorsal stripes and zebra legs. In the UK, we'll call it a dun anyway! Although it has made my post pretty popular, however off topic it has become! Maybe i should have posted it in breeding.

 

[burtondog]

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No as has been said, they are two totally different genes, the dun gene is probably the oldest or most 'primitive' colour gene and comes along with eel stripes, darker heads and leg bandings. The cream gene is more like the grey gene in that it has an effect on a base colour rather than creates the colour, for instance cream on bay gives buckskin.

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SirenaXVI,

sorry to trivialise the science stuff but as soon as anyone starts talking 'genes' and 'dilutes' about duns my brain goes all Homer Simpson and all I can think of is "Yellow horse = pretty".

I can normally keep up but when it comes to my horse's colouring I'm still confused, he has black points all year round but his dorsal strip only shows in his Winter coat, then there's the whole splodge thing on his neck. If anyone asks I say he's dun/skewbald and that's what the vet put on his passport but by technical definition he's probably a buckskin.

When I bought Tucker I searched the net for 'golden dun' and he popped up so I guess the seller thought he was dun too.

I always just think of buckskin as the American equivalent of our dun even though I understand it's way more technical than that.

I just love the golden (yellow) horses. I really like those Akhal Tekes but I think my head would explode if I tried to think where they fit in all of this !