yeeharider
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madoline gurdon and the Dun Thing best Dun ever IMO
Dun Horses
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burtondog
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Burtondog I am considering putting coat whitener on my Famous Freddie (my dun) in an attempt to recreate your horses neck!
Also, i saw ur b4 and after post - amazing, well done!
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PatMcFat, thank you. I didn't start having lessons on Tucker until about 9 months after I bought him and he'd already improved a fair bit by the time I found my instructor. Anyway this week I asked my instructor what he thought of Tucker in the before photo and he said he would not have bought him looking like that !! Tucker was a bit funny looking but to be fair that is a really bad photo.
Burtondog I am considering putting coat whitener on my Famous Freddie (my dun) in an attempt to recreate your horses neck!
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PatMcFat, thank you. I didn't start having lessons on Tucker until about 9 months after I bought him and he'd already improved a fair bit by the time I found my instructor. Anyway this week I asked my instructor what he thought of Tucker in the before photo and he said he would not have bought him looking like that !! Tucker was a bit funny looking but to be fair that is a really bad photo.
marmalade76
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I always thought that buckskin was what Americans called duns. There was no mention of buckskin in my Manual of Horsemanship. Afraid I will continue to call yellow horses with black manes and tails duns, and yellow horses with white manes and tails palaminos!
tikino
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my favourite dun horse is my home bred gelding although he is strictly buckskin
meet toby
meet toby
Puppy
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Duns MUST have a dorsal stripe, buckskins MAY have one, but equally may not. The dorsal stripe of a true dun will be crisp & clear, as if drawn with a biro & ruler.
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That would make my dapple grey a dun.
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She may well be Pups, she is probably a greying dun.
Sirena is actually a dun and had an eel stripe, darker head and leg bandings - she is now almost pure white (damn and blast it!)
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LOL! She had seemed to be getting lighter, but now we have this mud, she is becoming a more distinct shade of yellow every day!
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Duns MUST have a dorsal stripe, buckskins MAY have one, but equally may not. The dorsal stripe of a true dun will be crisp & clear, as if drawn with a biro & ruler.
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That would make my dapple grey a dun.
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She may well be Pups, she is probably a greying dun.
Sirena is actually a dun and had an eel stripe, darker head and leg bandings - she is now almost pure white (damn and blast it!)
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LOL! She had seemed to be getting lighter, but now we have this mud, she is becoming a more distinct shade of yellow every day!
Puppy
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I do admire your horse every time I see your sig
He is stunning!
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Thank you Puppy. I like all of yours too, particularly the one on the far right, looks quite chunky, just my type.
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LMAO!! One of HER
nicknames is indeed chubby bum
Thank you
This is the proper pic of her:
She is a belgium WB
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I do admire your horse every time I see your sig
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Thank you Puppy. I like all of yours too, particularly the one on the far right, looks quite chunky, just my type.
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LMAO!! One of HER
Thank you
wonkey_donkey
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None . . . I bought a dun jumping pony a few years ago and it was a complete DOG.
I've had a dislike for dun's ever since !!
I've had a dislike for dun's ever since !!
DunRoamin
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Buzz's passport says 'Dun Roan' and he's flu and tet card just says 'Dun' His Regeistered name is 'Dun Roamin'' nd so i will continue to discribe him as a 'dun roan' until the day he is no longer with me
Sorry patmcfat for hijacking
Enfys
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I always thought that buckskin was what Americans called duns. There was no mention of buckskin in my Manual of Horsemanship. Afraid I will continue to call yellow horses with black manes and tails duns, and yellow horses with white manes and tails palaminos!
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Yay!
I always thought that buckskin was what Americans called duns. There was no mention of buckskin in my Manual of Horsemanship. Afraid I will continue to call yellow horses with black manes and tails duns, and yellow horses with white manes and tails palaminos!
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Yay!
ruscara
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There are some really beautiful horses on here, no matter what they are called!
I always thought that these two are Chocolate Duns, but no doubt someone will disagree, lol:
I always thought that these two are Chocolate Duns, but no doubt someone will disagree, lol:
SirenaXVI
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Lol burtondog, I do understand - some of the more complicated ones make my head explode too!
Your boy could very well be a buckskin with an coloured gene, but whatever, he is a very nice boy and extremely pretty.
Your boy could very well be a buckskin with an coloured gene, but whatever, he is a very nice boy and extremely pretty.
Hippona
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Frankly...I know nowt.....but I believe this to be a 'true' dun....he has a pronounced dorsal stripe all year round and tiger stripes on his legs....he is the colur of a cup of tea.....hence his show name 'Time for T'........(Toby)
I always thought buckskin was american awkwardness too
I always thought buckskin was american awkwardness too
SirenaXVI
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Definitely a dun - he seems to have the shoulder patches too
Hippona
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He does yes...shoulders and darker patch halfway up his neck
sqippa
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He is lovely!
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charliesarmy
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What colour is your mare? I ask because if you put her to a double dilute (Cremello or Perlino) you would most certainly get a single dilute and, depending on whether her or the stallions base genes are red or agouti (bay), you would either get a buckskin or a palomino.
Fiddlesticks daddy could be a smokey black, which is the single dilute version of black, a palomino being single dilute chestnut and a buckskin being single dilute bay.
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I have always thought as my mare as a dark bay but have been informed that she is infact a Black and tan which is a dominant gene so even if I put her to a double dilute cremello I would probably get a bay as Black and tan is a more dominant a gene...
What colour is your mare? I ask because if you put her to a double dilute (Cremello or Perlino) you would most certainly get a single dilute and, depending on whether her or the stallions base genes are red or agouti (bay), you would either get a buckskin or a palomino.
Fiddlesticks daddy could be a smokey black, which is the single dilute version of black, a palomino being single dilute chestnut and a buckskin being single dilute bay.
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I have always thought as my mare as a dark bay but have been informed that she is infact a Black and tan which is a dominant gene so even if I put her to a double dilute cremello I would probably get a bay as Black and tan is a more dominant a gene...
varkie
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If your mare is brown (which is what people usually mean when they refer to Black & Tan), then she cannot pass on the bay gene to a foal, as she doesn't have one. She is genetically capable of passing on the colours black, brown & chestnut. I'm not 100% up on the Brown colour, but I think if you were to put your mare to a Cremello stallion, you could get a dilute brown, as the stallion would pass on one copy of cream - the resulting foal would probably look reasonably like a buckskin, if not technically a bay plus a cream gene, as we usually define buckskin. You could however also get a dilute black, or a palomino!
You could have a go at getting a true buckskin foal by putting your mare to a perlino stallion - that would provide not just the cream gene, but the bay gene also.
You could have a go at getting a true buckskin foal by putting your mare to a perlino stallion - that would provide not just the cream gene, but the bay gene also.
joeanne
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Varkie did you go to Reading this year?
There was a little stallion which if memory serves me right was listed as a silver dun (if memory serves me right he fetched very good money).
But was he dun? Or is there another "correct" name for that particular colour?
There was a little stallion which if memory serves me right was listed as a silver dun (if memory serves me right he fetched very good money).
But was he dun? Or is there another "correct" name for that particular colour?
SirenaXVI
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What colour is your mare? I ask because if you put her to a double dilute (Cremello or Perlino) you would most certainly get a single dilute and, depending on whether her or the stallions base genes are red or agouti (bay), you would either get a buckskin or a palomino.
Fiddlesticks daddy could be a smokey black, which is the single dilute version of black, a palomino being single dilute chestnut and a buckskin being single dilute bay.
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I have always thought as my mare as a dark bay but have been informed that she is infact a Black and tan which is a dominant gene so even if I put her to a double dilute cremello I would probably get a bay as Black and tan is a more dominant a gene...
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Not so, you would get a buckskin, although black and tan is dominant, if you put her to a double dilute, the resulting offspring could have a basecoat of black and tan with one cream gene and would be a single dilute buckskin (black and tan being a version of bay). Cream is like the grey gene - it has an effect on a colour rather than being an actual colour.
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What colour is your mare? I ask because if you put her to a double dilute (Cremello or Perlino) you would most certainly get a single dilute and, depending on whether her or the stallions base genes are red or agouti (bay), you would either get a buckskin or a palomino.
Fiddlesticks daddy could be a smokey black, which is the single dilute version of black, a palomino being single dilute chestnut and a buckskin being single dilute bay.
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I have always thought as my mare as a dark bay but have been informed that she is infact a Black and tan which is a dominant gene so even if I put her to a double dilute cremello I would probably get a bay as Black and tan is a more dominant a gene...
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Not so, you would get a buckskin, although black and tan is dominant, if you put her to a double dilute, the resulting offspring could have a basecoat of black and tan with one cream gene and would be a single dilute buckskin (black and tan being a version of bay). Cream is like the grey gene - it has an effect on a colour rather than being an actual colour.
charliesarmy
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What colour is your mare? I ask because if you put her to a double dilute (Cremello or Perlino) you would most certainly get a single dilute and, depending on whether her or the stallions base genes are red or agouti (bay), you would either get a buckskin or a palomino.
Fiddlesticks daddy could be a smokey black, which is the single dilute version of black, a palomino being single dilute chestnut and a buckskin being single dilute bay.
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I have always thought as my mare as a dark bay but have been informed that she is infact a Black and tan which is a dominant gene so even if I put her to a double dilute cremello I would probably get a bay as Black and tan is a more dominant a gene...
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Not so, you would get a buckskin, although black and tan is dominant, if you put her to a double dilute, the resulting offspring could have a basecoat of black and tan with one cream gene and would be a single dilute buckskin (black and tan being a version of bay). Cream is like the grey gene - it has an effect on a colour rather than being an actual colour.
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Ok now let me try and get this clear in my head
if I put her to a Perlino or a double dilute cremello I could get me a buckskin
trying not to get too excited before I pootle off looking for a stallion....but if I don't get a buckskin would the next likely hood be I get a bay??? thankies... you know I find all this colour genetics very interesting....
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What colour is your mare? I ask because if you put her to a double dilute (Cremello or Perlino) you would most certainly get a single dilute and, depending on whether her or the stallions base genes are red or agouti (bay), you would either get a buckskin or a palomino.
Fiddlesticks daddy could be a smokey black, which is the single dilute version of black, a palomino being single dilute chestnut and a buckskin being single dilute bay.
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I have always thought as my mare as a dark bay but have been informed that she is infact a Black and tan which is a dominant gene so even if I put her to a double dilute cremello I would probably get a bay as Black and tan is a more dominant a gene...
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Not so, you would get a buckskin, although black and tan is dominant, if you put her to a double dilute, the resulting offspring could have a basecoat of black and tan with one cream gene and would be a single dilute buckskin (black and tan being a version of bay). Cream is like the grey gene - it has an effect on a colour rather than being an actual colour.
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Ok now let me try and get this clear in my head
charliesarmy
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If your mare is brown (which is what people usually mean when they refer to Black & Tan), then she cannot pass on the bay gene to a foal, as she doesn't have one. She is genetically capable of passing on the colours black, brown & chestnut. I'm not 100% up on the Brown colour, but I think if you were to put your mare to a Cremello stallion, you could get a dilute brown, as the stallion would pass on one copy of cream - the resulting foal would probably look reasonably like a buckskin, if not technically a bay plus a cream gene, as we usually define buckskin. You could however also get a dilute black, or a palomino!
You could have a go at getting a true buckskin foal by putting your mare to a perlino stallion - that would provide not just the cream gene, but the bay gene also.
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Right soooo my Black/Tan (brown) mare has just had a foal..who I presumed was going to be bay but you think she couldnt pass that colouration on now the stallion is a dk bay who doesnt carry the chestnut gene so chestnut is out...but foal is losing his foal fluff and he looks very very dark almost black so black could be a possibility but just interested to see what you/anyone else thinks..
If your mare is brown (which is what people usually mean when they refer to Black & Tan), then she cannot pass on the bay gene to a foal, as she doesn't have one. She is genetically capable of passing on the colours black, brown & chestnut. I'm not 100% up on the Brown colour, but I think if you were to put your mare to a Cremello stallion, you could get a dilute brown, as the stallion would pass on one copy of cream - the resulting foal would probably look reasonably like a buckskin, if not technically a bay plus a cream gene, as we usually define buckskin. You could however also get a dilute black, or a palomino!
You could have a go at getting a true buckskin foal by putting your mare to a perlino stallion - that would provide not just the cream gene, but the bay gene also.
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Right soooo my Black/Tan (brown) mare has just had a foal..who I presumed was going to be bay but you think she couldnt pass that colouration on now the stallion is a dk bay who doesnt carry the chestnut gene so chestnut is out...but foal is losing his foal fluff and he looks very very dark almost black so black could be a possibility but just interested to see what you/anyone else thinks..
varkie
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joeann - sadly, my friends truck broke down on the way to Reading, but my friend took a pic on her phone of the stallion you mention. He is indeed a dun - genetically black dun, but people tend to call it silver dun, blue dun, or grulla / grullo.
CA - if you put your mare to a double dilute stallion (cremello / perlino / smokey cream) you cannot get a plain bay - you will definitely get a single dilute - palomino, buckskin, smokey black etc. Double dilutes will always pass on one copy of cream.
CA - if you put your mare to a double dilute stallion (cremello / perlino / smokey cream) you cannot get a plain bay - you will definitely get a single dilute - palomino, buckskin, smokey black etc. Double dilutes will always pass on one copy of cream.