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blindfolded horse being shoved into stalls by pulling on his tail to get him in and being pushed from behind by two blokes.

i knew I shouldnt have started watching the racing!
 
flamehead said:
Ye, jockey got his tail in his hands and is pulling forward. commentators saying the horses like it?!
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I belive they were being slightly sarcastic.

And horse went on to win easily, striding out in a comfortable and happy gallop- can't have done it too much harm!
 
TheMule said:
I belive they were being slightly sarcastic.

And horse went on to win easily, striding out in a comfortable and happy gallop- can't have done it too much harm!
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this.

He is quite a well known s*d for going into the stalls, if he really hated them or was scared of them he would play up once inside them and you would definatly know about it. He doesn't, he just plays silly bu**ers going into them.
 
Oh right, so if I beat my horse to force him into a trailer, but when he was in he travelled like a dream and performed well at the other end, that would be ok....?!
 
No but they were hardly being BHS?! So if I blindfolded my horse, got two grown men to shove from behind and yanked on his tail that would be ok?!
 
flamehead said:
No but they were hardly being BHS?! So if I blindfolded my horse, got two grown men to shove from behind and yanked on his tail that would be ok?!
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Fine by me, yes. For a very short period of time, it's not causing any pain, achieves the objective.

My chiropractor moves my horse's tail like that- does that make her cruel?
 
oh dear, here we go again, another thread solely for the purpose of starting an argument. For the rcord, ive blindfolded horses many time to get them in a trailer/lorry, ive looped my arms round the back end of horses many times to get them in a trailer'lorry and yes ive held tails around their sides so that they cant kick me. Ive got far better things to do with my time than argue with people who dont want to even consider another side of the story.
Laters.
 
No, its NOT to start an arguement, its a genuine discussion! I cant believe anyone would ever blindfold a horse - but then people cant believe that anyone would ever stable their youngsters and mine is in full time atm (well, out in her shed during the day but you get the point). Its absolutely not to start an arguement.
 
they weren't abusing the horse, they were managing his naughtiness and recalcitrance. i thought they did a good job tbh. these guys are pros at getting 1/2 tonne of lit up TB to do what they need, quickly and smoothly. half an hour tempting him with a carrot wouldn't have done the trick... ;) ;)
the commentators did mention it, in an ironic way.
btw, i've blindfolded horses. it stops them from throwing themselves around, most freeze immediately and will then walk forwards only, very cautiously, when pushed to do so. better than handlers and jockey getting hurt by horse's stupid antics...
 
FOR THE LOVE OF JAFFA CAKES...WHY are you watching bleedin flat racing on a December afternoon!!!!:) It is NOT a substitute for jump racing....when the sticks is cancelled you go and do something else and leave the flat for the summer, coz if you watched the flat racing in the summer you would see this 'stalls' technique a whole lot more!!!
cough...splutter...gag..choking on pomposity and a bit of Jaffa cake!!!! :)
Bryndu
 
So everything thats not done your way is the wrong way? :rolleyes:

Yes it might be ok for you to pull out of a lead rein show if your younster refuses to enter the ring, but race horses have alot of time, effort and money riding on them.
The horse wouldnt have been in any pain/discomfort and it did the trick, im not saying its right but whats the alternative? Horse goes to the sales and goes for meat or worse to a novice owner!
 
So blindfolding a horse is terribly wrong, but, getting them broken and racing for their lives at 2 yrs is ok?

fbs take note I'm not against blindfolding or racing, just trying to get some perspective.
 
I have not got a problem with it, I have seen happy hackers doing much worse to there horses.

If he does like to be a silly so going into the stalls, then surely blindfolding him is the 'kindest' way to do it, rather than knocking seven bells out of him!!!!
 
My friends horse was blindfolded by the vet and made to TROT as they thought he might be a wobbler. They had to shove him along too unsurprisingly. He couldn't have given a toss. Blindfolding is probably even mentioned by the BHS I expect. It can be useful for lots of things. Very good with panicking animals. That's why on wildlife programmes they always chuck a coat over the head of whatever wild animal they are wrangling!
 
flamehead said:
No but they were hardly being BHS?! So if I blindfolded my horse, got two grown men to shove from behind and yanked on his tail that would be ok?!
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Oh come ON!
The "BHS way" is not the only way to handle horses,and if people were prepared to stand up to their horses when they are being ***** there would eb less "prolem" horses in need of nothing more then manners.......
 
I rarely do anything by the BHS manual, however, I still believe that this is wrong.

I also disagree with racing in general (mostly due to the breaking age, less concerned about the sport as seen many more horrid accidents XCing than I've ever seen or heard of racing), however this really took the biscuit for me!

Its not a case of "what I do is the right way and every other way is wrong". HOWEVER, I still believe blindfolding an animal to force it to go somewhere it doesnt want to go is not right. The comment about someones horse being blindfolded by the vet is very different - sometimes we have to do things that are NOT nice but that are most definitely in the horses best interests (or for our safety) - for example, when the mare reared up and over, my boyfriend leapt on top of her rib cage - clearly not BHS, clearly not kind! But saved his mother from being trampled on when the horse stood up. Likewise, pinning the big boy against the wall for his injections isn't great at the time, but he needs to have them so we weigh up the pros and cons. However, I don't believe that racing is in the horses best interests!!!

Hang on I know there were more replies but I cant see them now...
 
flamehead said:
I rarely do anything by the BHS manual, however, I still believe that this is wrong.

I also disagree with racing in general (mostly due to the breaking age, less concerned about the sport as seen many more horrid accidents XCing than I've ever seen or heard of racing), however this really took the biscuit for me!

Its not a case of "what I do is the right way and every other way is wrong". HOWEVER, I still believe blindfolding an animal to force it to go somewhere it doesnt want to go is not right. The comment about someones horse being blindfolded by the vet is very different - sometimes we have to do things that are NOT nice but that are most definitely in the horses best interests (or for our safety) - for example, when the mare reared up and over, my boyfriend leapt on top of her rib cage - clearly not BHS, clearly not kind! But saved his mother from being trampled on when the horse stood up. Likewise, pinning the big boy against the wall for his injections isn't great at the time, but he needs to have them so we weigh up the pros and cons. However, I don't believe that racing is in the horses best interests!!!

Hang on I know there were more replies but I cant see them now...
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He will have been taught nicely to go into the stalls at home and if he won't go in on race day he'll have to go for a stalls test before his next race so the chances are that he isn't inherently scared of stalls at all. Just that the atmosphere and excitement have gone to his head. Like a horse that gets on the box on the way to a show but refuses to on the way home.
 
O for goodness sake flamehead, there are worse things to happen to a horse than blindfolding them!! Get a grip of yourself. The handlers at race courses are expert at handling racehorses. Not often do you see a horse get the better of them. They are also on television and I am an avid watcher of racing, never have I seen anything other than kindness and calmness in the loading of these highly volatile horses. Perhaps if you dont agree with racing, you might be better watching something else on a cold saturday. Such a stupid post, it shows that you have a complete lack of knowledge of all things related to horseracing. In that case please dont have an opinion, you dont have the first idea!
 
flamehead said:
No, its NOT to start an arguement, its a genuine discussion! I cant believe anyone would ever blindfold a horse - but then people cant believe that anyone would ever stable their youngsters and mine is in full time atm (well, out in her shed during the day but you get the point). Its absolutely not to start an arguement.
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First off, don't shoot me but I am not a fan of racing I hate the damage it can do but:

Blindfolding a horse is a genuine and well known method for dealing with a horse, I myself have only used it once to box a horse but I do not disagree with it, the theory is that a horse can not see what is going on so will do things more willingly rather than thrash around and risk hurting itself since it cant see and predict any danger. It is from what I understand another form of handling horses so that both the handler and the horse are in the least possible danger/ heightened state. I think that if it is used the horse can get in the stall, win the race and thus continue to be lucrative and worth keeping to the owner, if they didn't get him in the stall he wouldn't have very much of a future in the current climate now would he?

From what I have already been led to understand it is akin to lifting a leg to stop a horse from kicking, twitching a horse to calm it etc. I do not see anything overly problematic with it.

I would assume that the horse probably gets himself over excited with the prospect of racing. I rode a horse that lived to jump but wouldn't go through the starting gate of the xc due to overexcitement, once I got him through he was a hell raiser (in a good way, loved it and was unbeatable) This is probably why he is a prat for the stalls and blindfolding him is probably quite a sensible approach to take with him.
 
pastie2 said:
O for goodness sake flamehead, there are worse things to happen to a horse than blindfolding them!! Get a grip of yourself. The handlers at race courses are expert at handling racehorses. Not often do you see a horse get the better of them. They are also on television and I am an avid watcher of racing, never have I seen anything other than kindness and calmness in the loading of these highly volatile horses. Perhaps if you dont agree with racing, you might be better watching something else on a cold saturday. Such a stupid post, it shows that you have a complete lack of knowledge of all things related to horseracing. In that case please dont have an opinion, you dont have the first idea!
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Excuse me? There is absolutely no reason to be so rude. I'm perfectly entitled to an opinion - on anything, actually - and am always open to be educated if my opinion could be changed.

However, I STILL do not agree with pulling a horses tail, and blindfolding it. Actually, regardless of the situation, although I do still disagree with racing.

Your comment saying "not often do you see a horse get the better of them" - yes, maybe that is the case. However, many people in life are never 'beaten' by horses - that doesn't make their methods perfect, or even vaguely understandable. Many, MANY horses will never turn round and 'get the better' of someone - despite being beating, starved, treated badly.....is that to say that people who, for example, beat their horses repeatedly, are ok because they're never beaten by their horses?!

There is no reason to be so ridiculously rude, I appreciate that sometimes you are on that forum, and if you wish to educate me on why and how that is an appropriate method to train any horse, then go for it. But there is no reason to be so rude or to suggest that I'm not entitled to my own opinion, because I most certainly am.
 
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