ludoagten
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Whitaker's Elite AES-stallion Argento; the true pedigree -according Horse&Hound- on SporthorseData. Will AES confirm?
This is an increasing problem in sports horses who change country and name and it is important for the breeder as in many EU Countrys financial reward is offerd to breeders or the success of their progeny. DNA testing became mandatory for some studbooks around 2006 and in Germany some pasports show the DNA markers in the passport now. The WBFSH at last years delegate conferance was also concerned about the sale of frozen semen and the stallion owner having no idea where it was used as it changed hands between dealers. A database was proposed to record frozen semen sales,I'm sorry, I already said they have got the info. It might be more clear to you if I say they have already changed the pedigree before; first they had a swedish line, then they were told that couldn't be so they, -according to some- made another joke-pedigree. In time their behaviour has caused the problem that there are worlwide at least 5 DIFFERENT pedigrees in official passports of the offspring of this stallion. Is that not worth starting multiple threads here?
I have no problem in reading that Argento is a son of both Arko 33 07568 94 and Flora May 94.005392. I'm NOT saying that is an incorrect statement.
The article in Horse&Hound says the grandmother of Argento is "Purdy".
AES says the grandmother of Argento is "Perdi".
These mares pedigrees are not the same.
AES has first used a "Swedish" Perdi in the database.
AES has secondly used a "ISH" Perdi in the database.
Horse&Hound has Purdy for the database.
Argento is AES since 2002.
Due to AES's behaviour Argento is "main stud book".
Due to AES's behaviour Argento's progeny can be "main stud book"
Due to AES 's behaviour there are nowadays at least 4 different pedigrees in "official" passports.
Will AES confirm Horse&Hound's article and deal with the consequences?
DiNozzo; If "contact" means that one mails the given "sides"; that is done. It is "all quiet on both fronts" until now
Ester; My language is dutch, I can't really "understand" the meaning of "given the usual level of content"?
People write on forums to get reaction. Reaction is an action. I have nothing against "some sort of mass action". That would be more satisfying than the AES's lack off action.what is wow exactly?
So what you actually want from this is some sort of mass action?
Will do, thanksTry Eva-Maria Broomer on her facebook page and you will get a response.
Agree on "Just", but there is more than "just" in the research of different people and their combined findings. On Alexis Z you can ask KWPN and Zangersheide. On Flora May there's research of SporthorseDataMembers and the official different pedigrees in Z, AES, BWP, IHS ...There has been a huge scandal/mix up in the cattle world, when straws of semen are expensive and tied very directly to the sires performance because meat and milk are so measurable and could make a huge difference to a herd, not only in value but the end product.
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index...-lies-youll-get-caught-out-eventually.285324/
A lot of information is just 'copy and paste' from journalists on the internet, I often amazed even on TV the fact checking is appalling, and by missing a small piece of information you change the sense of the whole article.
Cattle/horses have unique numbers and really it would just be easier to go on the sires/dams unique number rather than the name, which can be miss-pelt or mispronounced.
I totally agree that these "Numbers" should be ALSO entered with the namesThere has been a huge scandal/mix up in the cattle world, when straws of semen are expensive and tied very directly to the sires performance because meat and milk are so measurable and could make a huge difference to a herd, not only in value but the end product.
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index...-lies-youll-get-caught-out-eventually.285324/
A lot of information is just 'copy and paste' from journalists on the internet, I often amazed even on TV the fact checking is appalling, and by missing a small piece of information you change the sense of the whole article.
Cattle/horses have unique numbers and really it would just be easier to go on the sires/dams unique number rather than the name, which can be miss-pelt or mispronounced.
I've just facebookedTry Eva-Maria Broomer on her facebook page and you will get a response.
YES, THEY HAVEI don't understand your question?
huh?People write on forums to get reaction. Reaction is an action. I have nothing against "some sort of mass action". That would be more satisfying than the AES's lack off action.
So, are you happy now? I know that english is a second language for you, but it is quite difficult to follow what you are asking.AES has confirmed the pedigree-change in their database on Argento
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