Equ-Streamz - Your Experiences?

[TGM]

To achieve the benefit your horse has experienced, for the price they are, seems very reasonable and not "a lot of money for what they are".... We have horses that were prescribed £80 a month+ on medications (which created long term issues for the horse) and wear boots that cost £150+. The bands are designed to last, they provide benefits beyond anyone can explain and have results and endorsements by some of the biggest names in the sport. (just look at how much material is inside the band versus magnetic boots.

I quite agree that when you have used the bands and seen results they are worth the money, but my point was that we would have baulked at the price if we were not sure whether they would work. They don't fall into the price category where people will think they will give them a whirl as there is not too much to lose if they don't work. I do think the results on plants sound fascinating though and if you can provide detailed evidence on that I think it will help persuade people that the bands actually 'do' something.

 

[Matt at streamz]

I quite agree that when you have used the bands and seen results they are worth the money, but my point was that we would have baulked at the price if we were not sure whether they would work. They don't fall into the price category where people will think they will give them a whirl as there is not too much to lose if they don't work. I do think the results on plants sound fascinating though and if you can provide detailed evidence on that I think it will help persuade people that the bands actually 'do' something.

And I agree with you; anything that helps separate us from mojo or similar companies is a good thing.
We received the scientific analysis on the plants within the past two weeks so are now working on getting that on our site to show people.
Thanks and take care.

 

[Blackopal]

Placebo effect or not - I don't really care to be honest. One thing I DO know is that me, my daughter and our mare all wear ours 24/7 and I wouldn't be without them!

I wear mine as I have back problems. No, it has not cured me but it has lessened my everyday discomfort and pain to a manageable level. It has done the same for my 16 year old daughter who has knee problems. Before wearing the YouStreamz she could barely walk at times, her problem is greatly reduced and she wears hers with her dresses, shorts etc and people are always asking her about it. I don't understand the science behind it, what I do know is that it works for us.
Our mare wears it got her splints. I tried other magnetic boots ( which by the ways are also VERY expensive to buy new ) but she got too hot in them and they rubbed her. She wears her EquiStreamz 24/7 and the splint IS reducing. She has been worked throughout and has not been lame with it. We have only been using the bands since July for anyone who thinks this is just a natural occurrence, and I use nothing else for them.

To me, these are worth every penny and I wouldn't be without them.

 

[Matt at streamz]

Good answer ihatework!
Nothing more to add - agree totally.

Mind you the placebo effect does actually work on some people!


Edited to say - £90 for two friendship bracelets.... Crikey, I should be in that business!

Happy hunter - before you question our product and in effect please look at what we have achieved in less than 3 months (working with the likes of the Royal family, Olympic champions, Grand national winners, etc)

Maybe you should ask some people who have actually tried the bands what they actually think?

Placebo doesnt make fetlocks reduce in swelling overnight, nor does it increase mobility or help with windgalls, or even help horses with grass sickness or with behavioural issues.

"Many great actions are committed in small struggles."

 

[blitznbobs]

Happy hunter - before you question our product and in effect please look at what we have achieved in less than 3 months (working with the likes of the Royal family, Olympic champions, Grand national winners, etc)

Maybe you should ask some people who have actually tried the bands what they actually think?

Placebo doesnt make fetlocks reduce in swelling overnight, nor does it increase mobility or help with windgalls, or even help horses with grass sickness or with behavioural issues.

"Many great actions are committed in small struggles."

On the contrary placebo does many surprising things - you should look at the studies on placebo and norcebo effects... I'd like to see a clinical trial of your product if you have one.

 

[Matt at streamz]

Pfft. This! Couldn't agree more!

I *think* that I may have been pursuaded that my hard earned £79.99 is better off in my bank than in the pockets of Equ-Streamz I'd still be interested to hear other peoples POV though.

What a great shame that people who havent actually tried the bands persuaded you away from them. As we explained at Hickstead we were all about feedback. You would have been told that if the bands didnt work you would get your money back.(Not something that sounds like a company out to make a few quick bucks)

We wish you (and your horse) the very best in the future, please keep an eye on our FB page as you will notice some of the people who are endorsing the bands...

 

[Matt at streamz]

On the contrary placebo does many surprising things - you should look at the studies on placebo and norcebo effects... I'd like to see a clinical trial of your product if you have one.

Clinical trial. Do you understand the basis of running clinical trials with horses? It can take several years and hundreds of thousands of pounds. Saying that, we are talking with some of the countries top vets such as David Marlin (Team GB) to ascertain how and what we run clinical trials on... muscle repair/wound recovery/inflammation... etc. We are talking with the countries top animal science department and with various organisations regarding funding.

So many people in this country resort to "Where are your clinical trials?" but many dont quite understand how incredibly difficult that is to achieve... this country, even the equestrian world, is run by suits and corporations.

Placebo of course works - power of the mind and all - just look at Mojo. In our eyes comparing us to products like that is comparing a thoroughbred with a mule.

I could go on-and-on-and-on-and-on; reality is that until people actually try them they are basing their opinion on something unknown.

 

[Matt at streamz]

Is this the same "science" behind the holobands? which I must admit I also don't understand.

No. it is very different.

 

[Matt at streamz]

just discovered it will make your fruit crops grow better too - quiet day in the scientists' office here! Still not completely sure why if in the PDF overhead power cables are bad because of their cyclotron effects we want to make all of our bits start spiralling too...

'In the case of a human body, that ‘steady state’ is the Earth’s magnetic field. The ions in motion are those chemical ions in fluids and minerals found within the cells of the body (copper, iron, magnesium, etc.). '
- copper and magnesium being particularly unaffected by magnetic fields :rolleyes3:

I should stop reading now

That document you were quoting from was written by the inventor. Although hard to absorb, if you read the document on 'cyclotron effect' you would have discovered it is NOT about magnetic fields but in fact to do with resonance. The inventor was a scientific specialist on molecular frequencies. Copper and magnesium do have their own frequencies and it is this which 'interacts' with the field within the band.

Why not check out the actual results... ?

 

[Sebastian]

Oh dear. I am loving the sudden influx of newly registered posters, with one post behind them. Obviously people are so happy with their equ streamz that they spend their whole evenings searching for any discussions about equ streamz and then quickly join in to tell us how great their equ streamz are. Come on, we were not all born yesterday and it's quite pathetic and insulting that you would try this.

On the other hand, I must say though, these equ-streamz - what a great idea to make money. I wish I had thought of this, but unfortunately my brain just does not work like this.

 

[ester]

Err we're mammals not plants, just thought I'd point that out.

40 horses - way not enough! you don't need a clinical trial but get some quality mammal data published in a peer review journal (and use proper references in your own material :rolleyes3 and you might have a bit more weight.

Oh well, the plethora of post doctoral scientists in our smallish clinical diagnostics company had a good chuckle at the blurb on the website anyway

 

[Matt at streamz]

Oh dear. I am loving the sudden influx of newly registered posters, with one post behind them. Obviously people are so happy with their equ streamz that they spend their whole evenings searching for any discussions about equ streamz and then quickly join in to tell us how great their equ streamz are. Come on, we were not all born yesterday and it's quite pathetic and insulting that you would try this.

On the other hand, I must say though, these equ-streamz - what a great idea to make money. I wish I had thought of this, but unfortunately my brain just does not work like this.

Oh really, i cannot get into a 'tit-for-tat' - i am not a scientist and do not claim to be one. I do know the results and I do know that there are certain routes we go down before we can claim clinical approval.

Just so you know: i posted on FB making people aware that this thread existed... (thats why you'll hopefully see some people take their time to comment on the bands)

 

[Matt at streamz]

Err we're mammals not plants, just thought I'd point that out.

40 horses - way not enough! you don't need a clinical trial but get some quality mammal data published in a peer review journal (and use proper references in your own material :rolleyes3 and you might have a bit more weight.

Oh well, the plethora of post doctoral scientists in our smallish clinical diagnostics company had a good chuckle at the blurb on the website anyway

Well your "smallish clinical diagnostics company" should be more supportive of new technologies that are making a difference then. You should be perfectly aware of how much clinical research can cost with the likes of Universities, and how long it can take. You should also be perfectly aware of how difficult it is to gain clinical evidence without case studies to go by; hence us building as many as we can and using that to gain leverage to achieve clinical trials.

Maybe if your post doctoral scientists could spend their obviously very valuable time actually offering some constructive opinions then maybe we could challenge
the pharmaceutical companies with a more even playing field.

Have a lovely day chuckling away, saving the world, and obviously making such a difference.

 

[ester]

I'm not expecting clinical studies, that was my whole point... that you seem to have missed. I actually read all of the information on your website with initial interest, and as a biologist passed it on to the chemists and physicists to see if they could pick up on anything I was missing.

I also don't have a pharma chip on my shoulder, we work with a few of them on research. And even though my colleagues are mostly male we can multitask, saving the world (well people, pigs, sheep and cattle at the moment ) and perusing some high quality pseudo-science.

Now you are here did you notice you had the chemical symbol for Magnesium wrong in your more detailed scientific explanation? and what are the details for this reference? 'Cyclotron Resonance in Human Body Cells, 1990' thanks.

 

[Matt at streamz]

I'm not expecting clinical studies, that was my whole point... that you seem to have missed. I actually read all of the information on your website with initial interest, and as a biologist passed it on to the chemists and physicists to see if they could pick up on anything I was missing.

I also don't have a pharma chip on my shoulder, we work with a few of them on research. And even though my colleagues are mostly male we can multitask, saving the world (well people, pigs, sheep and cattle at the moment ) and perusing some high quality pseudo-science.

Now you are here did you notice you had the chemical symbol for Magnesium wrong in your more detailed scientific explanation? and what are the details for this reference? 'Cyclotron Resonance in Human Body Cells, 1990' thanks.

I didnt notice and i will ask the guys to look into it. Unfortunately, our inventor passed away a couple of months ago which doesnt help us when asked to explain his document. Here is the reference document he used within his document. http://www.haroldaspden.com/reports/10.pdf

If you are involved with cattle then hopefully we'll cross paths at some stage. We are working with several leading dairy farms running studies on these bands within dairy farming. The bands showed initial results in balancing cell counts in the milk; this is in its infancy but we are working with 8 of the leading dairy farms in the UK and supported in this study by Anglia Farmers. We have to start somewhere. (Balancing cell counts has significant impact to dairy farmers; as does the ongoing management of mobility)

 

[MerrySherryRider]

I'd never heard of these so looked at the site and got the impression that it was yet another badly marketed product that gave me little idea of what the concept was all about.
Over the years I've tried supplements, magnetic boots, reiki etc etc. to manage conditions and quite honestly, did any of them work ? No. Basically, the only thing that makes a difference is a good prophylactic care and good management of existing conditions, none of which incur much or any extra cost.

There is no magic cure but if it helps to buy a product that gives you hope, and the power of the placebo effect can be quite significant, then why not. As long as it does no harm to any thing other than your pocket.

 

[Blackopal]

Oh dear. I am loving the sudden influx of newly registered posters, with one post behind them. Obviously people are so happy with their equ streamz that they spend their whole evenings searching for any discussions about equ streamz and then quickly join in to tell us how great their equ streamz are. Come on, we were not all born yesterday and it's quite pathetic and insulting that you would try this.

On the other hand, I must say though, these equ-streamz - what a great idea to make money. I wish I had thought of this, but unfortunately my brain just does not work like this.

Yes, I am a new user. Matt posted on FB about this tread and some of us have joined purely to give the OP the benefit of our experiences - which IS what she asked for! If you are insinuating that all the post are from one person I am quite happy to give you my real name and you can check out the EquiStreamz FB page to satisfy yourself that I have posted on there as well.

If you don't believe in the benefits and think it is all a big con then that is your opinion but the OP are getting some feedback from people who are ACTUALY using the product rather than from people who have not even tried it!!!!!!!

 

[ester]

Thanks for the link , will have a peruse later.

Only foot and mouth disease at the moment cattle wise.

 

[Matt at streamz]

Thanks for the link , will have a peruse later.

Only foot and mouth disease at the moment cattle wise.

Well please do keep an eye out for us in the market; MOO StreamZ

 

[ihatework]

Matt,

Do you offer a full money back guarentee on your product?

 

[Floxie]

MOO StreamZ

o.o
... oh my!

 

[Matt at streamz]

Matt,

Do you offer a full money back guarantee on your product?

Not as a rule as we havent had to; but we will in this case. Nothing to hide and everything to prove!

 

[Beausmate]

Where's JFTD when you need her?

 

[acorn92x]

Not as a rule as we havent had to; but we will in this case. Nothing to hide and everything to prove!

This. People didn't talk me out of it, I felt that it was a lot of money to spend when the product might not necessarily work and I wasn't prepared to spend that much on something which had been tried on a relatively small number of horses. I know the results in a lot of cases have been positive but if there was to be a money back guarantee if there were not results, it is something I would consider trying.

 

[Blackopal]

I would like to ask HOW you can have an opinion on any product you have never tried???????? There is plenty of support from people who have used the bands but I don't see anyone saying they have used it and it didn't work............... Just saying!

 

[chestnut cob]

TBH, having read through the website, the amount of stuff the web designer has put into quotes, "for example" describing the human body's "steady state", is enough to put me off. Using all of those quote markers suggests you don't really believe the thing you are quoting. It's like saying "apparently" all the time. Grr.

I've read through the supposed scientific pages and am going to ask one of our physicists at work what they think about it!

One genuine question though - are you really suggesting that your product can replicate the effect that a big piece of kit like this produces? http://www.psfc.mit.edu/library1/catalog/reports/2000/09ja/09ja038/09ja038_full.pdf Therefore presumably negating the need for medical cyclotrons around the world?

 

[acorn92x]

I would like to ask HOW you can have an opinion on any product you have never tried???????? There is plenty of support from people who have used the bands but I don't see anyone saying they have used it and it didn't work............... Just saying!

So are people not allowed to have opinions on things that they haven't tried/experienced then? I'm saying it's potentially an expensive risk to take if they don't work and yes, while they have worked for many, they might not work for all. I know this is the same with any product but if they were cheaper, it might be something I'd consider trying. I'm still tempted but I'm really not sure it's something that I'm tempted enough by to spend £80 on them! Sadly I'm not made of money...

 

[Matt at streamz]

TBH, having read through the website, the amount of stuff the web designer has put into quotes, "for example" describing the human body's "steady state", is enough to put me off. Using all of those quote markers suggests you don't really believe the thing you are quoting. It's like saying "apparently" all the time. Grr.

I've read through the supposed scientific pages and am going to ask one of our physicists at work what they think about it!

One genuine question though - are you really suggesting that your product can replicate the effect that a big piece of kit like this produces? http://www.psfc.mit.edu/library1/catalog/reports/2000/09ja/09ja038/09ja038_full.pdf Therefore presumably negating the need for medical cyclotrons around the world?

Check out the rules and regulations with ASA and you should understand that we have to use the words we use on the site.

I cannot comment on the pdf you sent in your previous post... but i do have the definition on a cyclotron...
"an apparatus in which charged atomic and subatomic particles are accelerated by an alternating electric field while following an outward spiral or circular path in a magnetic field." - Now thats exactly why our inventor referred to the energy created by StreamZ material as a cyclotron.

 

[Matt at streamz]

So are people not allowed to have opinions on things that they haven't tried/experienced then? I'm saying it's potentially an expensive risk to take if they don't work and yes, while they have worked for many, they might not work for all. I know this is the same with any product but if they were cheaper, it might be something I'd consider trying. I'm still tempted but I'm really not sure it's something that I'm tempted enough by to spend £80 on them! Sadly I'm not made of money...

There is a significant cost to manufacture the material (it is made in the UK) and we are a business with overheads like any other business.

£80 in the great scheme of owning and managing a horse is very little. Especially when you see what these bands do.

One of the very largest distributors was pushing us to make them £139.99 per pair - we resisted. Our aim is to provide a solution that is available to most that own a horse.

 

[Matt at streamz]

This. People didn't talk me out of it, I felt that it was a lot of money to spend when the product might not necessarily work and I wasn't prepared to spend that much on something which had been tried on a relatively small number of horses. I know the results in a lot of cases have been positive but if there was to be a money back guarantee if there were not results, it is something I would consider trying.

Ok and I again understand that attitude and would most likely be the same. People who have asked have got this; and we were saying this at Hickstead if you met us there.

To eat an egg, you must break the shell.