Saw on another forum that one of the horses rescued is already up for re-homing as the owner can't keep it. And there is an Appeal running to raise funds for the transportation over here of another one. Then there is someone else who paid for some on a credit card which was meant to be reimbursed by donations and that hasn't happened either.
The ILPH campaign "Hook Not Hoof" seems a far more sensible, structured and well funded approach.
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Saw on another forum that one of the horses rescued is already up for re-homing as the owner can't keep it. And there is an Appeal running to raise funds for the transportation over here of another one. Then there is someone else who paid for some on a credit card which was meant to be reimbursed by donations and that hasn't happened either.
The ILPH campaign "Hook Not Hoof" seems a far more sensible, structured and well funded approach.
I would like to say that we bought/saved a French rescue horse from department 86. We gave it much thought-serious thought at that. I asked myself many questions 'are we offering an easy sale for the 'meat man' and helping to keep him in business? 'what difference will it make?' 'we already have 5 horses-do we need another one?
I don't consider myself a do-gooder or foolish-i think some people are missing the point and are not seeing the bigger picture.
I have an equestrian shop in lancs, one of our customers sent me an e-mail asking for help, she sent me a link to www.equinesection.com where i read about the plight of the french horses in the fattening fields facing live export. I was sickened and saddened at the barbaric treatment of these unfortunate horses who suffer the long journey to slaughter houses in italy.
As a family we felt we could and should do something. We offered to buy one of the horses with the help of a very dedicated team of volunteers who liased with us and the farmer who was selling the horse.
We did not know which one we were buying at this point but soon discovered that it was an 18 month old percheron colt. He was weighed on a weigh bridge and we paid the meat price per Kilo and costs of his transport-in total approx £1,100.
We purchased him with no expectations-then everything else is a bonus!
Our intention has been to:
firstly, save Sultan from enduring a horrific journey of several days to the slaughterhouse (he was due to go in august)
secondly;offer a safe, loving and understanding home to a horse.
Thirdly and most importantly: to raise awareness to the campaign and the plight of horses facing live export.
On sultan's arrival we contacted our local paper, they did a feature on him and has advertised the website where there is a link to the petition against live export. Many customers have asked about him and the campaign-great! peoples awareness are being raised!
Here is the point and where the difference is being made and all because i allowed myself to open my mind and see the bigger picture. OF course not everyone can do this, we are fortunate to have our own small yard and consider ourselves eperienced enough to cope with a possible difficult and complex youngster.
Sultan has been with us now for 16 days. He is an absolute sweetheart with a lovely gentle nature who enjoys being groomed and fussed. He does have some problems due to being 'fattened' and neglected feet but nothing unmanageable. I feel fortunate that we have had the opportunity to save him and there is no better feeling that when he sees us approach him, wether to the stable or in the field, he greets us with a soft whinney-what more can i say. [image]christineparents1 380[/image]
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I would like to say that we bought/saved a French rescue horse from department 86. We gave it much thought-serious thought at that. I asked myself many questions 'are we offering an easy sale for the 'meat man' and helping to keep him in business? 'what difference will it make?' 'we already have 5 horses-do we need another one?
I don't consider myself a do-gooder or foolish-i think some people are missing the point and are not seeing the bigger picture.
I have an equestrian shop in lancs, one of our customers sent me an e-mail asking for help, she sent me a link to www.equinesection.com where i read about the plight of the french horses in the fattening fields facing live export. I was sickened and saddened at the barbaric treatment of these unfortunate horses who suffer the long journey to slaughter houses in italy.
As a family we felt we could and should do something. We offered to buy one of the horses with the help of a very dedicated team of volunteers who liased with us and the farmer who was selling the horse.
We did not know which one we were buying at this point but soon discovered that it was an 18 month old percheron colt. He was weighed on a weigh bridge and we paid the meat price per Kilo and costs of his transport-in total approx £1,100.
We purchased him with no expectations-then everything else is a bonus!
Our intention has been to:
firstly, save Sultan from enduring a horrific journey of several days to the slaughterhouse (he was due to go in august)
secondly;offer a safe, loving and understanding home to a horse.
Thirdly and most importantly: to raise awareness to the campaign and the plight of horses facing live export.
On sultan's arrival we contacted our local paper, they did a feature on him and has advertised the website where there is a link to the petition against live export. Many customers have asked about him and the campaign-great! peoples awareness are being raised!
Here is the point and where the difference is being made and all because i allowed myself to open my mind and see the bigger picture. OF course not everyone can do this, we are fortunate to have our own small yard and consider ourselves eperienced enough to cope with a possible difficult and complex youngster.
Sultan has been with us now for 16 days. He is an absolute sweetheart with a lovely gentle nature who enjoys being groomed and fussed. He does have some problems due to being 'fattened' and neglected feet but nothing unmanageable. I feel fortunate that we have had the opportunity to save him and there is no better feeling that when he sees us approach him, wether to the stable or in the field, he greets us with a soft whinney-what more can i say. [image]christineparents1 380[/image]
Sultan's 'lorry mates' were also rescued. The volunteers of french rescue displayed their pics on the danger list and individuals like myself bought them-for meat price. Before anyone knew about these particular horses 30 of them had already been sent to italy so unfortunately it was too late for them.
The volunteers involved in this work tirelessly and i strongly commend their efforts.
I would like to add that my personal issue is not with the using of horses for meat although it does not sit comfortably with me. My issue is the with the live export of horses for meat. The treatment and suffering of these horses is not acceptable and the whole point is to try to stop it, in which ever way possible and using whichever medium possible. There is no right or wrong in which individual, group or organisation is best to do something about it so long as someone does.
All horses deserve to be treated with respect and consideration, wether a grade a showjumper or a horse on his way to the slaughterhouse.
You ask how i feel now-it what aspect do you inquire??
How i feel saving one horse from a degree of pain and suffering or how i feel about ones that havent been saved??
please clarify.
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See I agree with RHT with regards to not fueling this - wouldn't suprise me if the hole thing has been set up by a clever meat man.
BUT just because a friend of mine started breeding from a Never So Bold mare who as a yearling injured herself so badly she would never be ridden let alone race he should never have bred from it? Regardless of the fact its produced two daughters who between then have produced a pavo yearling champion and reserve supreme, cardigan hunter champion, tivyside sport horse champion, two pembrokeshire sport horse champions, a 7y.o intermediate eventer (whose 4* rider think is a Badminton horse) a 5y.o welsh part bred who Robert Walker is asking where its come from because it won't stop winning and a 6y.o novice eventer, grade C showjumper and 7th 5y.o pavo finals.
And to think, he's really adding to the problem of this overhorsed world!.
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And most of the surplus horses in countries who don't breed for meat are due to folks breeding for the sake of it. Go into the Breeders Forum. It's full of them.
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What an incredibly sweeping and ungenerous statement!!
The "bigger picture" is that the product is in demand and that demand WILL be met.
If you are happy with your lad I'm not going to have a go at you about how you got him, but there WILL have been another horse sent in his place,so nothing was achived except to pay the meat man twice.
Everyone on here loves horses.
Not one of us wants to see live transport or any animal forced to endure the conditins the horses are.
Buying from the meat man to "rescue" them is not the answer- put your money into ILPH's "hock not hoof" it can go to help ALL the horses destined for this fate then,not just one.
The bigger picture for me is that until i went onto www.equinesection.com i was not fully aware of the plight of horses suffering live export. Of course i knew it went on but i chose not to look into it in any depth but ignorance is blis and all that.
What the website did for me was to inform me and bring the reality into my home-i then felt a responsibilty to do something.
As i have an equestrian shop i felt i was in a position to reach more people. My aim was raise more awareness as mine had been raised-and this is what i chose to do.
We sought publicity as soon as our new boy arrived (not for my shop but for the ILPH campaign) and the website was advertised which linked people to the government petition against live export. We urged people to sign this petition because it costs nothing but their time! I think i had the insight to see the bigger picture. I talk about Sultan and about live export daily and to many people. He offers the medium for this to happen, people are interested and they ask.
For the interest of those who would like to know, the department where Sultan came from has not re-filled and will not be doing. He was owned by a mushroom farmer who kept him and many horses in small pens so to collect manure for his mushrooms! He decided to close down and sell his horses to the meat man and sultan was booked to travel to italy in august until we intervened and bought him.
Has everyone on here signed the petition?? Has anyone ever thought of doing that little bit more or are you all prepared to sit on your chairs and critisize those who are prepared to go that bit further to make a difference and maybe think outside the box. I have a longterm commitment to this campaign, both financially, emotionally and practically.
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Has everyone on here signed the petition??
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Oh I would imagine probably every single member on HHO has signed this VERY well known petition.
And I expect there are many many people on here who donate to the ILPH, so you can be rest-assured that most don't just sit in their armchairs and critise.
I would like to mention that the person earlier mentioned as giving up her rescued horse is a young lady who works at our yard. She had saved money to purchase a youngster to buy with the view of selling on. She decided to chance it and put her money into a french rescuepony. She bought/saved a blanket spot colt-18 months for a reasonable price. He has been gelded now and someone is very interested in buying him who will give him a lovely home. So she achieved her goal but has had the benefit that her money was also well spent on giving a life to an otherwise unfortunate pony. However,she was lucky- of course have been different! Not all of these horses will be re-sellable.
dare i say that there is a saying that comes to mind when i read some of the comments on this unfriendly forum.
'preaching to the ignorant'
the forum on www.equinesection.com offers support from like minded individuals. everyone is entitled to their opinion but my goodness (with some exceptions of course)what a bunch of moaners!!
I dont think we are a "bunch of moaners" at all- just that most of us belive any money we have to donate to this cause is better spent via someone like the ILPH who can help change things for ALL horses sent for slaughter,not just one.
One perosn buying one horse destined for slaughter helps that animal, hundreds of people donating money to the ILPH who can lobby and campaign the Govt. in the countries concerned can change things for all of them.
I would like to mention that the person earlier mentioned as giving up her rescued horse is a young lady who works at our yard. She had saved money to purchase a youngster to buy with the view of selling on. She decided to chance it and put her money into a french rescuepony. She bought/saved a blanket spot colt-18 months for a reasonable price. He has been gelded now and someone is very interested in buying him who will give him a lovely home. So she achieved her goal but has had the benefit that her money was also well spent on giving a life to an otherwise unfortunate pony. However,she was lucky- of course have been different! Not all of these horses will be re-sellable.
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What an utter load of rubbish! The mare ***note*** mare is called Roxanne and is chestnut with a flaxen mane and tail. So before you start calling people on her old moaners and the like have the courtesy and decency to tell the truth!!! And someone selling on a youngster just reinforces the other comments about this being some kind of dealer set up. It does nothing for your cause that's for sure.
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Talk about only seeing past your own nose. Oh it happens over there so it doesnt affect me?
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Have you even bothered to read this thread or did you just sim the parts you liked the look of?
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What if we were talking about people?. Should we only have one cancer charity or only donate to people in a certain country for example
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What point are you trying to make here?
We are not talking about research into illness.
Horses are an animal like any other,in some places they are food.
As long as they are raised well and killed humanly what does it matter if it is distastefull to you that its a horse not a cow/pig/sheep we are talking about?
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I'm sure the ILPH had to start off from somewhere so why not give others a chance!
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Of course they did but like everyone else I have bills to pay and other financial commitments, only so much spare cash at end of the month.
So yes, I give the money I have to give to charity to the place I think it will do the most good.
In this case, thats the ILPH.
The point is that that you can have more than one charity relating to certain cause.
Of course it is up to individuals who to support and how they spend their money.
Some people have been fairly critical of individulas who have rescued a french horse, at the end of the day it is personal choice whether people support the ILPH,the French rescue or whoever.
I believe one of the main points was to raise awareness of the transportation and obtain signatures for the petiton.
Should any one person tell another what to do/who to support?