Equine Rescue France is formed!

Excuse me but i am not in the habit of being called a liar!!
There is no such thing as a dealer set up. How dare you be so rude!
The young lady i talked about has left a testimonial on equinesection explaining this and i wanted to clarify her situation. She is a lovely girl from a loving horsey family and keeps her horses at home she has done a good thing forn ill destined pony so i congratulate her.
I for myself neither own a dealer yard-we have 5 horses and who we show at a high level. We saved a percheron-Sultan from a potentially horrific journey to italy where- if he was lucky-may have been stunned properly before being hung upside down with his throat cut!!!
I have bought him with no gain in mind but with only good intentions!!
Read everything i have written...
Do you call yourself a good person?? A horse lover??
I doubt your intentions and your intergity!!!
why not visit the equine section forum or the intelligent horsemanship forum you may learn something?
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Forgot to say that the previous threads about this rescue situation suggested that it was some kind of dealer set up, I have no idea if that is the case or not, but seems strange that a young horse is bought and sold on so quickly.
 
I do not have anything to prove or disprove!!!! and do not need to spend trying to teach you otherwise, call me what you will-sticks and stones and all that. I think you should get your facts right before you make accusations.
if you have nothing good to say why bother saying anything at all??
You seem to be troublesome ? you had a bad day??
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I tell you what Blueberry YOU visit Intelligent Horsemanship instead - where you might learn something you rude ignorant person.

http://ihdg.proboards91.com/index.cgi?board=area41&action=display&thread=1188856685

Now whose integrity is to be questioned? I reported the facts, as can be seen on the above link. What about you?

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you see that "type" of dobbin regularly at sales...and with that conformation, i think she should have been left where she was "rescued" from........another "do-gooder" could always buy her and breed from her.
now there's a idea!!!???
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I will say again www.equinesection.com testimonials-read if you care to. I do not have anything to prove.
I am ashamed at shocked by peoples attitude.
NOT GENUINE HORSE LOVERS-CLEARLY!
I apologise now for the exceptions but i am disgusted by the comments that i have read on this subject/forum.
I guess you were also the school bully?? I will not go quielty or back down, i stand by my beliefs and will shout from the rooftops-
I REST MY CASE-I AM PREACHING TO THE IGNORANT!!!!!!!!!
 
OK, I've just gone on your website are you going to bring legal action against us? Who are the authorities?

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Could you all please go back to page one of this thread as somewhere it has got lost that we are a NEW Not-For-Profit Registered Association working in France, our site is www.equinerescuefrance.org and we are not anything to do with others that may have been discussed on this thread.

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I would like to say that we bought/saved a French rescue horse from department 86. We gave it much thought-serious thought at that. I asked myself many questions 'are we offering an easy sale for the 'meat man' and helping to keep him in business? 'what difference will it make?' 'we already have 5 horses-do we need another one?
I don't consider myself a do-gooder or foolish-i think some people are missing the point and are not seeing the bigger picture.
I have an equestrian shop in lancs, one of our customers sent me an e-mail asking for help, she sent me a link to www.equinesection.com where i read about the plight of the french horses in the fattening fields facing live export. I was sickened and saddened at the barbaric treatment of these unfortunate horses who suffer the long journey to slaughter houses in italy.
As a family we felt we could and should do something. We offered to buy one of the horses with the help of a very dedicated team of volunteers who liased with us and the farmer who was selling the horse.
We did not know which one we were buying at this point but soon discovered that it was an 18 month old percheron colt. He was weighed on a weigh bridge and we paid the meat price per Kilo and costs of his transport-in total approx £1,100.
We purchased him with no expectations-then everything else is a bonus!
Our intention has been to:
firstly, save Sultan from enduring a horrific journey of several days to the slaughterhouse (he was due to go in august)
secondly;offer a safe, loving and understanding home to a horse.
Thirdly and most importantly: to raise awareness to the campaign and the plight of horses facing live export.
On sultan's arrival we contacted our local paper, they did a feature on him and has advertised the website where there is a link to the petition against live export. Many customers have asked about him and the campaign-great! peoples awareness are being raised!
Here is the point and where the difference is being made and all because i allowed myself to open my mind and see the bigger picture. OF course not everyone can do this, we are fortunate to have our own small yard and consider ourselves eperienced enough to cope with a possible difficult and complex youngster.
Sultan has been with us now for 16 days. He is an absolute sweetheart with a lovely gentle nature who enjoys being groomed and fussed. He does have some problems due to being 'fattened' and neglected feet but nothing unmanageable. I feel fortunate that we have had the opportunity to save him and there is no better feeling that when he sees us approach him, wether to the stable or in the field, he greets us with a soft whinney-what more can i say. [image]christineparents1 380[/image]

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i believe you mentioned it first, bluebottle.......see above
 
I joined this forum to share my experience of rescuing a horse from France and to highlight the campaign against live export.
I find it sad that i have had the unfortunate experience of having been in contact with a sadly negative group of people who are capable of giving the horse and hound forum a bad name. This is not intelligent debate/discussion but is instead bullying and arrogance.
 
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I joined this forum to share my experience of rescuing a horse from France and to highlight the campaign against live export.

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Did you honestly think that this, the largest and most well known, equine Internet forum, had never heard of the ILPH's petition against live export? Seriously? If I was a cynic I would say that you joined this forum to encourage some of its members to buy dodgy horses at highly inflated prices.
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I find it sad that i have had the unfortunate experience of having been in contact with a sadly negative group of people who are capable of giving the horse and hound forum a bad name.

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Perceptions are an interesting thing.......I believe what you perceive is not actually the case. I think you will find that on here pretty much ALL of us have heard of the ILPH campaign and I'd wager that everyone has signed the petition; the one which you said you had not known about even though you allegedly own an equine company?
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And on the contrary I feel that the general theme on HHO is a very positive attitude to ILPH; quite the opposite from your perception.

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This is not intelligent debate/discussion but is instead bullying and arrogance.

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Really? You don't think this is an intelligent discussion? You see, this is a rational and a logical discussion on this thread from the HHO posters perspective. Some of us on HHO can see the bigger picture, whereas you are emotionally involved - being emotionally involved in a situation requires someone of good integrity to remain impartial and rational; unfortunately you don't have either quality as your rantings have displayed. Sherman, on the other hand, quite clearly has a rational mind and has put across her opinion in a very calm and intelligent manner and I have to say if my name was Sherman and you were trying to champion my cause, I would be seriously cringing by now.....
 
not taking any sides, but many of you have come down hard on blueberry. Initially blueberry was telling you their own experience and a website concerning it did and Blueberry has been slated because of this. Only when some of you have been rude did blueberry responded back in a similar tone

Again you are presuming that everyone has signed the petition, are you in a position to speak on behalf of all on HHO. Maybe they have signed the petition but what a great position you must be in, will I win the lottery on Wednesday?????????Please tell me, you seem to know everything else! This is the kind of attidude many of you have displayed

Blueberry is obviously not respresenting Shermans cause, they were just standing up for themself against you bunch of ......hold back on the negative comments....... people.
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Do you seriously think that being insulted by this forum's visitors is offering a basis for a fair discussion. You may or may not have noticed but i have merely stated by opinion and as this is a free country i expect to be allowed to do so.
I did no come onto this forum presuming that everyone had not heard of the ILPH ,I came on to explain why i had saved this horse and that the reason was to raise awareness for the campaign. I think here i have been very misunderstood.
I am emotionally involves-of course i am-but you will not find -im sure-anyone who is driven to campaign against something about who is not emotionally charged in the first place because it is this that will prompt you to keep going in diversity.
I do not believe i have ranted on at all i have simply chosen to answer the critics.
I have had many things rudely suggested to me, clearly, and more than suggesting that my intentions are less than good-dishonest even, i have been called amongst other things, also liar and a dealer am i not to answer those comments??
You obviosly do not know me personally-if you did you would not have said them in the first place.
I am proud to say that i have an excellent reputation both personally and professionally. I pride myself on being honest and being true to my word.
I am not a dealer and I am not trying to encourage people to buy the horses, i have never once suggested that.
I don't think the 'slating' i have recieved has been fair.
When i read the comments that were made after Sherman's first intro i was suprised at the negative attitude and this attitude is a common theme throughout this thread.
I havent been quiet -no, but why should i not answer back and have my say. I have not been insulting to any individuals as they have been to me so i believe i have been rather controlled.
I have asked questions to individuals who have made personal comments to me to allow sensible open minded discussion but they tend not to answer back but people are more keen to barrage insults, no one inquired about the process of saving this colt- so it became clear to me that individuals are not here for discussion/debate.
 
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Sherman, on the other hand, quite clearly has a rational mind and has put across her opinion in a very calm and intelligent manner and I have to say if my name was Sherman and you were trying to champion my cause, I would be seriously cringing by now.....

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i have TWICE now in this tiresome thread, said that i DO support the banning of the abhorrent live transport of horses.

i am not ignorant, i can and do, fully understand what goes on in mainland europe..and here too.

i and many others, have also said that, by OUR CHOICE would rather support a well known organisation that is ACTUALLY being seen to be doing something to stop this trade.

i have at home, 8 animals with GOOD conformation, bred with a job in mind.
horses to me are not pets, they are working animals..and before you jump up and down, check with the ILPH, they will agree with me.
i am not about to trot off to "meat farms" in france, pay the guy my hard earned cash to buy some sub-standard animal that is, beleive it or not, actually where it is because there is a MARKET for it...which, if we all went to france to buy one, would get bigger!!

so no, i am going to decline your "kind" offer to buy myself something i have no use for.

the above is MY OPINION ONLY....but it does seem to be in the majority...
oh yes, as for an intelligent debate...to have one YOU need to be able to understand and accept that there are two sides to a debate...
 
Your opinion does not concern me-i stand by everything i have said!
It doesen't do for us all to be the same!
from what i read you were all pretty harsh about Sherman's thread??
 
I have not asked YOU or anyone for that fact, to purchase one of these horses in France. Your comments goes to prove that you have jumped in without reading everything that i have said.
If you had read everything you would have realised that i am NOT Opposing the ILPH but do in fact DO support it.
You will also have realised that i am not against people having opinions as it was ME who asked for people to see that this was something i chose to do and wanted people to be open to see my point-not have to agree with it!!
I too buy my horses to do a job and show at a HOYS/OLYMPIA level so i know as well as anyone the importance of good conformation.
Critisize if i had bought a rescue mare with bad conformation and then said 'i think i will breed from her'.
The horse i rescued was not being sent for slaughter because he had poor conformation-he was owned by a farmer with heart problems. in fact he is a very nicely put together percheron with full papers and he will have a purpose in life. at the moment he is a fantastic companion to a youngster also. his temerament is wonderful and i will look forward to backing him.
i appreciate i have played devil's advocate and most people to not like to be challenged in any way so the response was expected but never mind we are only given challenges that we can cope with!
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Fantastic! Finally we agree on something as your opinion doesn't concern me either. I was actually supportive of Sherman early on, had you bothered to have read it.

We are indeed only given challenges that we can cope with - and I can cope with far more than this believe me.
 
I have not taken sides but have to say that I was impressed by Laraloo's commitment to this issue, clearly he/she took the effort to register with the forum in order to participate in the debate so thier feeling must be strongly on the side of the original poster.

At the weekend we went for a mega ramble and I walked past a field of pretty rough looking young horses, miles from any other buildings and in a ragwort invested field. Upon enquiring who the owner was I was told that it is a 'man with a huge cattle truck', this person apparently picks up these unfortunate animals in France, brings them to the UK and then selles them on, ' when they look better', I see a possible pattern here...

BTW, I have informed the ILPH of these poor horses, particularly as one was in need of veterinary treatment.
 
I agree.
It is very unfortunate for these horses, it sounds as though there is another issue for concern there.
Its good you contacted the ILPH , at least now there may be an option for something to be done that maybe would not have been done otherwise.
 
fundamental problem boils down to two simple issues.

1. transport over long distances in inappropriate conditions prior to slaughter.

Totally disagree with this - animals (lambs, horses, whatever) should be slaughtered as close to home as possible and transported properly.

As regards the 'as close to home as possible' - it is the EU regulations that have ultimately forced the closure of many local abbatoirs in this country. Then there are the large supermarkets that insist on shipping sheep from Devon to Midlands to be slaughtered because "that is the concern we have a contract with".

2. Second major issue is that people here have a problem with horse meat being in the food chain. I may and do choose not to eat horsemeat knowingly - but I do accept that other countries have other choices. tbh horsemeat is lean and nutritious. A large dose of reality is needed here in this 'nation of animal lovers' that will campaign about horsemeat whilst eating a Bernard Matthews turkey burger. Double standards (don't get me started on 'factory farming' as a subject)

The main issue is the transport and the ILPH are doing a good EU wide job of trying to deal with that. Individual organisations would do better to act as 'collectors' for the overall campaign as the ILPH would maybe get listened to by an MEP - but would a tiny organisation in English in a French country get the same hearing ? I doubt it.

As for the comment about horse breeding in this country - a lot of that comes back down to a humans natural 'fear of death' both for their family/friends and for their pets. Too often animals are not in the best quality of life because their owners cannot 'let go'.

Ignoring the slanging going on (too often) there are core issues that need addressing. Some by the ILPH and some can only be dealt with by a good psychiatrist ;-)
 
Umm......if you read what I actually wrote, you'll notice the words "I'll wager"
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As you have only been on HHO for 5 minutes, obviously you wouldn't know what has been previously discussed on here.....but if you run a search then it should very quickly become clear that most on here have signed the ILPH petition.
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It seems that there is some confusion going on though - Blueberry is claiming that equinesection and equinerescuefrance are in allegiance with one another - Sherman claims not. Judging by the way in which Sherman appears to hold her own on this thread, I very much doubt that she needs anyone to stand up for their company, particularly if they are printing inaccuracies....

I will say one thing though; sometimes small offshoots, riding on the back of large establishments, can be a good thing. They do often help to highlight issues and so long as they direct people to the larger establishment who actually do have a hope in hell of having Laws changed, then I see no issue. What does concern me though, is that by having all of these little guys who may not really be focused on the REAL issue, and may have designs on making money first and foremost, can often distract people from the true goal, hence these petitions can become lost in the mire.

Note* - according to Sherman, her company (equine rescue france) is a registered not-for-profit company (in basic terms; a charity). Equine section on the other hand, bears no admission that they are a charity, hence the implication that they are a company which works for profit and are NOT a charity.

None of these smaller companies will make a great difference - the only one who can do it is ILPH; and as I say one more time, ILPH is where people should be directed to. They are the ones who CAN make the difference.
 
Well said Tia.
What I find strange is the number of new members who have come here to HHO simply to support this campaign. rarely do they join in with the whole forum board - although some do to some extent.
We are well aware of this Campaign and, if we wish to do so, will join the IHDG and support them, otherwise we will remain here and continue to support the ILPH. Of course, if we wish, we can do both!!
All members are obviously welcome to join HHO, but to join for this one purpose, seems rather sad.
 
To clarify. I initially contacted a member from equinesection who actually put me in touch with the founder member of equine rescue france. i liased with both individuals and if you are able to take the time to look at both the sites you will see the percheron (steel grey) on the saved section.
Both sites also guide people to a ILPH link and the government petition.
 
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