European Three Day Event Team

sorry Lu, i get your point now, i didn't read the first post closely enough.
hmmmm.
Attila_the_Hungry (GREAT name btw), i think the selectors have to be given huge wiggle room, otherwise it can get to the stage it did in the U.S. where the criteria were very specific and someone who didn't get picked, having satisfied the criteria, sued the selectors (or was it AHSA?).
when it comes down to it, there are SO many variables, the selectors need carte blanche up until the last minute imho.
 
I Think the team should be:

Mary - Imperial Cavalier
Tina - Miners Frolic
William - Idalgo
Oli - Flint Curtis

And I think individuals should be out of Tankers Town, Spring Along and Opposition Buzz!:D
 
i really think springalong deserves it and daisy i was so pleased for her with her win at barbury.she has so often been the bridesmaid.i wonder as well how ready flint curtis was for barbury to me he looked quite big and not as fit as usual.maybe it was never meant to be a competitive run for him
 
Presumably Oli might just be aiming Flint at an HSBC league counting autumn 4*, rather than the Europeans - goes a bit further towards the mortgage.

If you've been to the Olympics (e.g. Daisy), how important would going to the Euros as an individual be, compared with Burghley?
 
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I Think the team should be:

Mary - Imperial Cavalier
Tina - Miners Frolic
William - Idalgo
Oli - Flint Curtis

And I think individuals should be out of Tankers Town, Spring Along and Opposition Buzz!:D

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good choice, however not sure about Tankers Town after badders.
 
Wishful, even after going to the Olympics, surely being on the British Team is a huge honour, and the chance of getting a Euro medal is there...
i see what you mean about Oli though, more money to be won at Burghley.
 
I've been to a U20 Euros and Senior Commonwealth Champs (not part of Commonwealth Games sadly though) for GB/England in non-riding related sport FWIW. Certainly selection for the World Cup events meant a lot less after the championships, and most of the Olympic/World Championship team members only did the Commonwealths once, got a medal (team/individual) and weren't available for selection (for England at least) for future Commonwealth events).

In eventing, the "either/or" decision between Burgley and Europeans would be a tough one, especially as Burghley would be more likely to suit a true XC horse than the 3* Europeans as an individual.
 
Well in that case then -

Team

William & Idalgo or Macchiato
Mary & Imperial Cavalier or Apache Sauce
Tina & Miners Frolic
Oli & Flint Curtis or Carousel Quest

Individuals

Nicola & Opposition Buzz
Lucy & Shaabrak although Simon Porloe has a good record and looked great at Barbury but is still very young.

If it was 4* I would of had Nicola Wilson in the team rather than Tina as Nicola has a very consistent record although imo at 3* it's more likely to be a dressage competition.
 
I must admit, having had a quick look at some of the horses records i am very very surprised about LW and WIJ - some of the reserve horses have much better records. But a great opportuntity for Lucy after last years disappointments. Surprised not to see Ruth Edge on there anywhere but if she isn't riding yet after her injury maybe that is why?

Fab for Clea and Piggy to be on the reserves and very pleased to see Nicola Wilson as an individual. They all work so hard. Disappointed Daisy and Springalong are reserves as they are one of my fav combinations.
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As i have said before though, I don't know any of the ins and outs that the selectors do and they must have their reasons!
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hmm, Euros tend to be real dr comps, the French and Germans in partic are pretty much guaranteed to do 3 tests in the 40s, so we need combinations (esp on the team) who can get that sort of mark. maybe Springalong's dr is just not reliable enough, he's blown it quite a few times now in big atmospheres. i'm surprised not to see Ruth there. Good to see Clea on the reserve list, cracking horse, super rider.
 
at first glance the result at Eglinton had a bigger impact than the result at Barbury

i am happy for Clea as their consistancy deserves to be noticed but just can't believe that a recent 3* winner in a very competitive field and experienced combo who have won a 4* can't even make the reserve lists???????
 
langside, who do you mean, and is the latter Ruth and Two Thyme?
must admit, i'm a bit puzzled by a few of those on it... but the requirements of: very good dr pretty much guaranteed, reliable and quick at 3*/4*, and solid sj are met by quite a few, i guess.
 
Interesting selection!

It's very easy sitting as an outsider to be critical (and if I was Daisy I'd be pretty miffed) but I am sure there are many factors that the selectors have had to juggle including a lot of politics no doubt!

I am hoping that they are selecting with 2012 in mind and trying to develop riders / horses at Championship level
 
yes Ruth and Two Thyme or even PC Wilson/Marsh Mayfly and Daisy and Spring

I understand Two Thyme has only ran once this year but PC Wilson has a great record this year and if the selectors want dressage i truely can't think of anyone better???? Ruth is kind of our Bettina
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Surely Daisy would have met the requirements at Barbury:
in 4th after DR, quick XC (only 3 have made the time in Barbury history and D&S were only 1sec out) and clear SJ????
It wasn't exactly an easy competition with a fair few badders horses in there
 
I totally agree that ruth and P.C wilson would be a deff threat to the germans, ashame she is still injured. But i am dissapointed daisy is not at least a individual because in my eyes she can produce better results than lucy on woodfalls indigo jones. And i am pleased nicola has had a shot she deserves it as she is very consistent, although i think daisy is equally as consistent, with better dressage marks. I understand if daisy wanted to have a crack at burghley, but if not im not sure what the selectors thinking was behind that?
 
Maybe the policy is for debutants to be selected for the individual slots as there is no risk for the team. The more people have a chance at championship level before 2012, the better the pool of horses and riders available for that year. Given the luck we had in the run up to Beijing, it would be good to have as many combinations as possible with championship experience in case of need for substitution. That way selection will be more open as the selectors will have seen how the horses and riders have coped at a previous championship. Competing at a championship hits people in different ways (or at least it does in fencing anyway!), some have a nightmare at their first attempt, and get stronger later, some never manage to perform at championships, despite excellent results throughout the rest of the season, still others seem to pull it off on the big occasion regardless of form through the rest of the year. It's better to get "first championship" nerves out of the way as an individual at 3* level rather than at the Olympics where a case of the nerves would potentially cost a team medal.

Daisy's ability to compete effectively at championship level is a given - I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of the team members has to drop out, Daisy and Spring Along would go into the team place ahead of the individuals, because they would be seen as a safe, experienced pair of hands.

The Euros in Pratoni also had riders without recent championship experience in the two individual slots (Rodney Powell and Georgie Davies), while the team was made up of combinations who had been to previous championships. Daisy would look to be in a similar position to William Fox-Pitt - where Ballincoola was selected as a reserve only for Pratoni. It did not affect his chances of being selected for the Olympics with a choice of 3 the following year!

Makes sense to give Lucy and Nicola a chance at senior championship level, given that they have horses that could well be major prospects for the future.
 
didn't Marsh Mayfly give Ruth a horrible fall in Luhmuhlen? i doubt she'd be in contention if so...
Springalong's tension in the dressage at top level has become a bit of a habit, i don't know if he's reliable enough for a team position. the days of having a pathfinder on a 50+ dressage are gone, i think!
it looks as if Tankers Town's antics at Badders are unforgiven too.
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yes they always try to give a couple of rookies a run at European level if possible or frankly Lucy would not be going the horses only really decent run was lexington it hasnt been as god before and its run at aachen since was bad to say the least.
and as I alrready said I hear that daisy was adamant she wouldnt go if just an individual, she wants to go to Burghley and as Kerilli said her horses dressage is not fab and which one of the actual team would you throw out to put her in?
and I am sorry for Sharon but Badminton was nt the foiirst time Jasper was naughty like that this season and they just wont take that risk at a championship.
 
Random guess - Lucy selected on best available horse to see how she copes. I'd be guessing Simon Porloe and Grantevvka Prince are the ones they've really got their eyes on for the future, but they aren't ready yet, but would be at their peak come 2012. Better test in some ways going on younger less consistent horse than faithful old Shaabrak...
 
I agree re Lucy, that horse hasn't done anything special apart from Lexington.

Ruth is back riding I think, and I would of thought Mayhem would be in with a shot-never had a 20 on his xc record. PC Wilson has never done a CCI3*.

Suprised to see Clea and Piggy there-Clea has only ever done the 1 4* with him I think
 
Piggy is number one favourite among certain poweres that be abd she certainly is a team player, does a good test and certainly would be an asset.
 
Lucretia- if one of the individuals has to for some reason pull out who would get the nod if daisy says she would only do the team?
would that be piggy like you say or another
But if its one of the team would it then be daisy or another or even the same person no matter if they go into the team or as an individual?

sorry just still find the selection process a rather odd thing
 
as i understand it Polly is first reserve although mary would just replace herself. but bear in mind that several of the reserves will start at Burghley I should think that is why there are such a lot.
and whether they rearrange the team or not dpends on alot of things but if a yeam member drops out then i would expect Polly or Daisy to go (assuming they havent started at Burghley). Polly is more likely to wait and go to Pau if she does not make Fontainbleau than Daisy who I am told really wants a crack at Burghley unless of course someone drops out before that .
as you can see there are alot of factors influencing these things
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