Eye socket fracture update

[Prince33Sp4rkle]

I don't know but quickly thinking : training is really a series of cues and reactions based on habit. If you remove a cue( negative or positive) the cycle is broken and the response will vary.
It's learning by association of a stimulus? She was just saying ( specifically in relation to pain when ridden) that in her experience once the pain is gone, the response to it, also goes very quickly and that she would never see *renembered pain* as a long term issue, so hopefully you can work past it

 

[doriangrey]

I don't know but quickly thinking : training is really a series of cues and reactions based on habit. If you remove a cue( negative or positive) the cycle is broken and the response will vary.
It's learning by association of a stimulus? She was just saying ( specifically in relation to pain when ridden) that in her experience once the pain is gone, the response to it, also goes very quickly and that she would never see *renembered pain* as a long term issue, so hopefully you can work past it

Cues and reactions based on habit? Is that what training is based on now?

 

[Booboos]

Cues and reactions based on habit? Is that what training is based on now?

When has it ever been based on anything else?

 

[Booboos]

It looks more and more like a CT might be helpful diagnostically. I know these things can be very expensive but have you tried calling for quotes? When R had to have a scintigraphy I was surprised at the huge difference in costs between different practices (especially if you have your own transport and can increase the choice of where you go). It might be worth seeing exactly what the cost would be.

 

[cptrayes]

It looks more and more like a CT might be helpful diagnostically. I know these things can be very expensive but have you tried calling for quotes? When R had to have a scintigraphy I was surprised at the huge difference in costs between different practices (especially if you have your own transport and can increase the choice of where you go). It might be worth seeing exactly what the cost would be.

A CT scan has some chance, though not very big according to my vet, of diagnosing what is wrong with him. But even if it does, he says that there is very little chance that it will be treatable. So although it's an option, it's not going to happen, I'm afraid, because it's very expensive and is very unlikely to help.

 

[Booboos]

Ok that does sound pointless then. Shame. I think your only option is to give him some time and keep fingers crossed things will improve.

 

[cptrayes]

Ok that does sound pointless then. Shame. I think your only option is to give him some time and keep fingers crossed things will improve.

That's the plan. Try him again in June, and if that fails again in September, and then a difficult decision if he still won't be ridden.

He hurt my little cob yesterday, I found marks on him even though they were only together for a couple of minutes unsupervised. They graze together, but there is something about being in an enclosed space, no matter that it's a big barn and there is plenty of food spread around, that sets him off.

 

[doriangrey]

When has it ever been based on anything else?

Cues and responses yes - habit? Not in my opinion. I believe a horse is capable of cognition and learns the right response (maybe by accident) when the reward is offered (whatever that might be). I'm not just talking about dressage. Anyway I don't want to hijack OP's thread.

Good luck with Ace, CPT - he's in the right place with the right person.

 

[dalesponydiva]

I have nerve damage to part of my back..its an odd feeling - numb but tingles . I have been told nerve damage can take 6 months plus to recover. I can dig a fingernail to that area of my back and not feel it but then again I can feel the pain deep "inside" when the pain kicks in . Sending healing wishes to one and all x

 

[Booboos]

Cues and responses yes - habit? Not in my opinion. I believe a horse is capable of cognition and learns the right response (maybe by accident) when the reward is offered (whatever that might be). I'm not just talking about dressage. Anyway I don't want to hijack OP's thread.

Good luck with Ace, CPT - he's in the right place with the right person.

Cues and responses are used until habitual learning is instilled - this is the standard terminology of operant conditioning. Don't use the term common-sensically.

Sorry OP, you know I can't help myself!
[grin] and hopes OP will put up with her - it's a compulsion.