rotters13
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Any experiences of Captain Clover horses? Or even Landos sired horses?
Famous stallions' quirks
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YasandCrystal
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Saratoga
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Would agree with that!!
Every Jazz baby I have known has been ginger, super sharp and with a tendency to stand on their back legs A LOT. But exceptionally talented. LOVE them, and would definitely have another.
I have a 4 yr old by Master Imp, and he's the most confident cocky baby I have come across!! Very intelligent, gets bored very easily, and when he came he was VERY naughty. But never has to learn anything twice, and a huge character!
ihatework
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What an interesting thread to come back to work on 
I haven't known enough of the same stallion offspring to really be able to generalise.
The one that springs to mind for me is Jumbo - the ones I have known by him have generally been backwards thinking, not overly genuine and 2 were sods to break and continued having issues about being mounted for a long time.
I have a Dutch Gold sat in the field that goes against general opinion. He was the best thing to ever happen to me, the most intelligent cheeky horse I have ever owned but talented and ultra genuine. Certainly not a novices horse though! Unfortunately he was a nightmare to keep sound, always the way with the good ones
I haven't known enough of the same stallion offspring to really be able to generalise.
The one that springs to mind for me is Jumbo - the ones I have known by him have generally been backwards thinking, not overly genuine and 2 were sods to break and continued having issues about being mounted for a long time.
I have a Dutch Gold sat in the field that goes against general opinion. He was the best thing to ever happen to me, the most intelligent cheeky horse I have ever owned but talented and ultra genuine. Certainly not a novices horse though! Unfortunately he was a nightmare to keep sound, always the way with the good ones
ihatework
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While on the topic, anyone have any Ramexico offspring? What are they like?
TheMule
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I know one- big gangly thing and not particularly bright. Has scope but no actual ability to use it constructively, too busy being dumb around the corners. I don't like it!!
seabsicuit2
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Ramexico -have one at work,The general consensus is that people just rave about their talent and ability- Anna Ross Davies says she really rates his progeny and says he's about the most underated stallion there is in the UK- they seem to have both enough movement and jump to satisfy both the pro dressage and showjumping people.
BUT they are complete thugs- very rude and very difficult, very tricky in the mouth and canter can be big and unbalanced but when you work around that, its a mega horse.
BUT they are complete thugs- very rude and very difficult, very tricky in the mouth and canter can be big and unbalanced but when you work around that, its a mega horse.
PoppyAnderson
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I have a Dutch Gold sat in the field that goes against general opinion. He was the best thing to ever happen to me, the most intelligent cheeky horse I have ever owned but talented and ultra genuine. Certainly not a novices horse though! Unfortunately he was a nightmare to keep sound, always the way with the good ones
No, your description is about the same as the other comments on Catherston horses.
seabsicuit2
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This one looked so ugly when it arrived, now it has muscle and topline she looks stunning
vam
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Does anyone have any experience of Quantum or Quidam De Revel lines? I've been looking into my boys lines and I can't find much on his sire Quantum but would be instrested to know if his grandsire has passed anything onto him.
Need to have a closer look at his Dams lines as well at some point
Need to have a closer look at his Dams lines as well at some point
Jesstickle
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In fairness he'd have only been a three year old. When I say work I mean a flat racing yard so they were all very young! I'm sure by now he is much more measured in his approach to life. He was ever so pretty love him. Dark bay with a really neat little star and tiny ears
Firewell
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Jesstinsel J also has tiny ears! He has a face that melts hearts with a perfect lightening shaped white blaze. He certainly knows how to use his pretty boy good looks to his advantage, he is a total attention seeker lol.
NR99
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Piggy is by Welcome Flagmount - King of Diamond lines, he was a Grade A SJ who sadly was killed as a youngster. I'm told he was tied to a wall which collapsed and he stood over his groom who was under him with the weight of the wall on him, until she could be pulled free and then he collapsed and died. I've also been told he was a lovely fella and very easy to handle but not heard of any ridden traits.
Pig has a lovely nature on the ground, though she can be a bit of a fire cracker when ridden and up to full fitness. Not nasty just keen.
Anyone know anything about Welcome Flagmount?
Pig has a lovely nature on the ground, though she can be a bit of a fire cracker when ridden and up to full fitness. Not nasty just keen.
Anyone know anything about Welcome Flagmount?
Mynstrel
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This is a fascinating thread, I'm going to have to join in...
does anybody know anything about Narcos or Polydor lines for our warmblood or Darcy Dancer (don't know how famous he is but seems to have bred plenty) for our irish girl?
does anybody know anything about Narcos or Polydor lines for our warmblood or Darcy Dancer (don't know how famous he is but seems to have bred plenty) for our irish girl?
Kiribati_uk
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If you search google comes up with thread about him, he was lovely horse and has some stunning progeny.
KatB
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I'm another with a Cloverhill line mare (Clover Clon VII is her sire) , who is an absolute darling. She is typical Clover hill stamp, bright bay with a long back, massive jumpers bump and big ears! She looks very similar to others by the same stallion I have come across, so think he stamps his progeny well! She is sharp, but very very trainable. Her damnline was mainly TB I believe, and her sire ISH.
foxy1
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See I once had a pig of a horse by Clover Hill, could jump the moon (once jumped the school fence having jibbed sideways to avoid jumping down a grid), unknown Damline though so maybe his Mum was difficult?!
I'm not a fan of Irish horses in general though, find them awkward backward thinking creatures. I wouldn't give you tuppence for a Connemara although lots of people rave about them, nappy little so-and-so's
I'm not a fan of Irish horses in general though, find them awkward backward thinking creatures. I wouldn't give you tuppence for a Connemara although lots of people rave about them, nappy little so-and-so's
AdorableAlice
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What a fabulous thread, so interesting. Irish Draught for me, had Embla George horse, massive 18hh purebred boy who never ever put a foot wrong from 6 months old to tragic loss aged just 13. Have a Avanti Amorous Archie now to follow in the above's footsteps I hope.
Friend thinking of using Shining Spirit (TB) any thoughts or experience of him ?
Friend thinking of using Shining Spirit (TB) any thoughts or experience of him ?
kerilli
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Ha, exactly. Mine wasn't a shirker but she'd work exactly as SHE wanted to. The only horse i've ever had boot me hard on the instep because she didn't like exactly where i'd put my leg when requesting rein-back! A top rider used to train me and he rode her a few times, she was utterly frustrating for him too, and one day he decided 'today's the day she's going to do it OUR way' and proceeded to ride her correctly and determinedly (not harshly at all, just 'this is how it is') without letting up, and she tied up completely, the only time she ever did so. Jumping was, ahem, interesting too, because she could jump a house but she did NOT like a deep spot and would do a vile stop if I got one, I ended up over her head in the practice jump at Int level a few times! She did love a flier though and could really take a joke about those fortunately!
Re: Originally Posted by Saint_Nic_01
"DiMaggio sharp, stressy, no sense of self preservation. Hugely intelligent and with a spectacular 60-0mph 180° spin manoeuvre. I regularly find myself facing the wrong way with no idea how I got there!"
That sounds exactly like the one I had. She dived headfirst into a Fen dyke with me once, survived, then would threaten to do it again as part of her napping, crabbing along the edge and refusing to turn, the witch. She dropped me once and I have no idea which door I even came out of, suddenly I was standing on the ground with the reins still in my hand, looking round for her!
Re: Jumbo's: Lalalala i'm not listening, I'm praying mine's going to be the saintly forward-thinking boring easy version!
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YasandCrystal
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My mare tells me when she thinks she has had a long enough schooling session - very cheeky! and she takes a flier all the time and had another poor friend off after she landed heavily in the saddle taken unawares by this flier!
It's interesting that the 'Cruising' bloodline people are saying similar things and goes to show just how far back genetics can influence, as Skyboy is back there in the breeding too.oldvic
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I'm sure she will be fine. I have worked with 4 and they are all very trainable. Yes, they can be lazy but they are good to ride and work with.
kerilli
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Thankyou, I hope so. I automatically take on board that it has oodles to do with the calibre of the person on top, of course!
oldvic
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The Lusos that I have worked with have been quite thick with a rather silly streak and quite heavy headed. (A bit wooden mentally and physically!!!).
black_horse
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does anyone know of any quirks with donnerhall/donnerschwee/sao paulo mares?
ecrozier
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Really interesting thread. Ref Welcome Flagmount, oh's mare was by Flagmount King, so similar breeding. She was a big lass, but had a great jump for her size and was very bold, bit quirky at times, and a bit of a one person horse - didn't like me much, loved my oh!
Interestingly Roo seems to take after both sides of his breeding according to people who know his breeding! He's def got a 'clover hill' look to him, he's out of a mare by Captain Clover and certainly has similarities with two other Captain Clover 5/6 year olds I know! He's typically bay with white star, fairly large ears and a very active back end over a fence!!
His other side is kwpn. His sire was gelded at 4 but grandsire more prolific, his name was Royal Geneve. Standout names that side are Silvio, Sandro and Ahorn, and on his sire's dam's side, Nimmerdor, Purioso and Jurius.
Be lovely to hear if anyone has any info on any of those! Still hope to trace roo's dad at some point, Vinnie Jones MF.
Interestingly Roo seems to take after both sides of his breeding according to people who know his breeding! He's def got a 'clover hill' look to him, he's out of a mare by Captain Clover and certainly has similarities with two other Captain Clover 5/6 year olds I know! He's typically bay with white star, fairly large ears and a very active back end over a fence!!
His other side is kwpn. His sire was gelded at 4 but grandsire more prolific, his name was Royal Geneve. Standout names that side are Silvio, Sandro and Ahorn, and on his sire's dam's side, Nimmerdor, Purioso and Jurius.
Be lovely to hear if anyone has any info on any of those! Still hope to trace roo's dad at some point, Vinnie Jones MF.
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ecrozier
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Millie did NOT appreciate my attentions! Never aggressive or anything, just completely dismissive of me. Another forum user owns her now, and they seem to have bonded really well, def a choosy mare
dieseldog
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http://www.morayfirthstud.co.uk/#/vinnie-jones-mf/4514708919
Vinnie's breeder used to be a Forum Member on here.
Royal Geneve was stunning.
stolensilver
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Many posts ago someone asked about the Trakehner Va Tout. I had the misfortune to own a Va Tout daughter. She was 16hh, pretty, superb paces, enormous jump, the only horse I've ever taken over a 5'6" hedge and had a foot to spare when she wasn't even trying. She had a 7' jump in her and probably more.
She was also crazy. So stressy in the stable she almost kicked her way through a breezeblock wall. So stressy in the field she ran the fence from the second she went out to when she came in. One summer we decided to tough it out and leave her in the 70 acre field with 7 other horses for company till she calmed down. 4 days later she was still running the fence...
I had help from a guy who had evented to European level. She jumped a parked car with him out on a hack one day because he'd asked her to stand still at a junction and she didn't see why she should. She took me over several dry stone walls at the side of the road with no rhyme or reason and most worryingly, no warning. She tried to double barrel cars as they went past you. She did that with no warning either.
I later learned that with her previous owner (I bought her age 5) she regularly reared over backwards. She didn't do that with me but she was ridden every single day and treated very carefully. Asking around my Va Tout was not unusual. A small % of his offspring are super. Most are nutcases.
That mare almost put me off Trakehners for life. Fortunately I kept an open mind and bought a purebred Trakehner filly 3 years ago. She is by Le Rouge and is the sweetest, kindest athlete you could ever wish to meet. She's schooling half pass and flying changes as 5yo and hopefully will be doing the International 6yo dressage classes next year. She's ridden by an amateur and only gets ridden 3 times a week. I think her lovely trainability comes mostly from her damline which is the Trakehner K line. Le Rouge himself is rather hot and so are the young stallions I've seen by him. They weren't like my mare at all. I wish I could clone her and give her to all my friends. LOL!
She was also crazy. So stressy in the stable she almost kicked her way through a breezeblock wall. So stressy in the field she ran the fence from the second she went out to when she came in. One summer we decided to tough it out and leave her in the 70 acre field with 7 other horses for company till she calmed down. 4 days later she was still running the fence...
I had help from a guy who had evented to European level. She jumped a parked car with him out on a hack one day because he'd asked her to stand still at a junction and she didn't see why she should. She took me over several dry stone walls at the side of the road with no rhyme or reason and most worryingly, no warning. She tried to double barrel cars as they went past you. She did that with no warning either.
I later learned that with her previous owner (I bought her age 5) she regularly reared over backwards. She didn't do that with me but she was ridden every single day and treated very carefully. Asking around my Va Tout was not unusual. A small % of his offspring are super. Most are nutcases.
That mare almost put me off Trakehners for life. Fortunately I kept an open mind and bought a purebred Trakehner filly 3 years ago. She is by Le Rouge and is the sweetest, kindest athlete you could ever wish to meet. She's schooling half pass and flying changes as 5yo and hopefully will be doing the International 6yo dressage classes next year. She's ridden by an amateur and only gets ridden 3 times a week. I think her lovely trainability comes mostly from her damline which is the Trakehner K line. Le Rouge himself is rather hot and so are the young stallions I've seen by him. They weren't like my mare at all. I wish I could clone her and give her to all my friends. LOL!