Famous stallions' quirks

I had a Master Imp x Cavalier - absolutely the sweetest, kindest horse. As he got older he did get quite sharp with his spooks but nothing too difficult.

Light in the hand and you could clamber on him bare back in the field - get him to a show though and he could be rather elevated!!!!

Loved him to bits but not very brave
 
I worked/dealt with a Just a Monarch out of Killinghurst Girl (so pretty decent breeding on both sides) gelding and well, the only word to describe him would be a runt. Didn't take to eventing that well either.

I just find it interesting that result of two good lines was a bad one. He was very very easy to do though.
 
Mally is King of Diamonds and I think everyone knows how straight forward she is!

How is this for a Quirk?

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Spot the Difference?? ;) Mal and the reason I bought Mally!

As well as looking shockingly the same (photos really don't do it justice!) they are ridiculously similar in nature despite have completely different starts in life. Very honest, straightforward horses, but both have 'issues' that send them completely hysterical! Jump with exactly the same technique, even when they get it wrong, they get it wrong in the same way!

The only linking factor between them is Clover Hill, he is both of their Grandsire, but that's it!
 
GCC said:
i find most horses off King Of Diamonds or Sunny Boy lines tend to be a bit of a pain in the **** until they are about 6.. very quirky and just a bit ignorant,
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Ah, you'vemet my KoD 5 year old then, he is starting to be a little saint rising 6 so I live in hope.

His dad (Old Leighlin) isn't famous but seems to have offspring who are very alike. Love to work, can be really scopy, but a bit eccentric/opinionated - don't like clippers/farrier/leaves etc. I know 3, all the same.
 
kerryflower said:
Any info on doruto or Wellington? My horse's sire is the kwpn farrington and Ollie looks so alike him! He has a fantastic temperament both on and riding although he is very clever and quick to find subtle evasions to get out of doing things properly. Can have a ginger temper tantrum but nothing horrid if u make sure u tell him off! Just interested to know more about his sire lines as it seems he follows his dad!
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Mine has doruto on the damside. I have heard(from a dutch trainer) that doruto blood is very rare and reknowned for being late maturing. Doruto himself did not get his act together 'til he was 10+.
My chap seems to be following suit.........He is now eight and at last growing out of his ginga-ninga temper tantrums.........although is still good at the subtle evasions.
 
Kerreli was that the TB stallion Precoucious? They are all apparently just downright evil! I had one of his on the yard ( an abandoned livery, how delightful) and it was seriously the most evil sod of a horse I've ever encountered. I never knew it was possible for a horse to be so evil& genuinely nasty.
 
I've got a Demonstrator with Weltmeyer in the Damline, he's HUGE (nearly 18hh) but is a big black lamb!! Completely trustworthy on the ground - can be sharp ridden, but nothing nasty or malicious. Only downside is he chews everything! Rugs, tails, haynets etc!!
 
seabsicuit2 said:
Kerreli was that the TB stallion Precoucious? They are all apparently just downright evil! I had one of his on the yard ( an abandoned livery, how delightful) and it was seriously the most evil sod of a horse I've ever encountered. I never knew it was possible for a horse to be so evil& genuinely nasty.
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I don't think so, I would have remembered that name.
Afaik he sired a handful and every single one had to be shot, they were all downright evil (with no previous bad treatment history to excuse any of them either.)
 
DoesDressage said:
Does anyone have/or have experience off a negro horse? I'm very interested in his offspring and from what I've seen of his babies I would really love one in the future!!
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Kind of. Have a negretto mare (ie a negro grandchild). She is going through a bit of a teenager stroppy phase at the moment (5 1/2 yo do I have to do it today I dont feel like it type stuff) but is actually very rideable albeit a little lazy. I feel confident we are going through a phase as opposed to this being default mode if you see what I mean. Clever, playful, has super movement, very good conformation, very pretty and a lovely little friendly cuddly thing albeit a bit silly and not brave. I think she is going to be fab but a bit of a later developer. She is rather big but I think this is more from her dam line (negretto wasnt huge). I know someone with 6yo also a negro grandchild but different sire and hers is also a bit of a later developer.
 
Kirstyhen - both of those are a spitting image of a Clover Hill mare I had. She was a bitch! Friend who was a sjing groom said never buy a Clover Hill mare. She was a groom in the days when Irish horses were out there.

Interesting about Western Promsie - friend has a bred a Silver Patriach x Western Promise mare and the result is a evil, nasty horse who thinks he was only born with his hind legs.
 
As if I didn't know it already, this thread is convincing me that breeding horses is a minefield with just the occasional lucky strike. Good luck to all you breeders out there :).
 
Rosiefan said:
As if I didn't know it already, this thread is convincing me that breeding horses is a minefield with just the occasional lucky strike. Good luck to all you breeders out there :).
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I was thinking the same, Rosiefan, and I'm one of those that is breeding them - more fool me. :rolleyes: Maybe I've got lucky so far but I suppose the proof of the pudding will be when they're grown up and doing a job, and our oldest is rising 5 so not quite there yet.

I do wonder with some horses if they're labelled as misfits when they're actually square pegs that people are trying to shove into round holes? :confused:
 
Baydale said:
I was thinking the same, Rosiefan, and I'm one of those that is breeding them - more fool me. :rolleyes: Maybe I've got lucky so far but I suppose the proof of the pudding will be when they're grown up and doing a job, and our oldest is rising 5 so not quite there yet.

I do wonder with some horses if they're labelled as misfits when they're actually square pegs that people are trying to shove into round holes? :confused:
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I agree. I'm sure you had an Old Leighlin/Laughton Flight horse, which you were allowing to use his brain and work stuff out rather than forcing him to be an automaton (I remember a long ago post). So many horses have to fit a production line mentality, when in reality some like to be told what to do, some hate being told what to do.
 
Kirstyhen - both of those are a spitting image of a Clover Hill mare I had. She was a bitch! Friend who was a sjing groom said never buy a Clover Hill mare. She was a groom in the days when Irish horses were out there.
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How funny! Mal and Jaffa are wonderful, soft as grease to be around and honest, hard working horses that thrive on work.
In fact both of them have caused other people to go out specifically looking for a Clover Hill mare!

I said I'd never even consider a mare when I bought Mal!
 
Does anyone have a horse by Olympic lux? My mares by him, she's a poppet and very talented but likes to do bare minimum if she can get away with it. :rolleyes:
 
I have 2 3yos that I bought from Ireland and recently backed:
Rose Grey Gelding by Chillout (ISH stallion by Trak Abdullah) out of a Rantis Diamond mare
Brown small mare by Puissance out of a Cavalier Royale mare
The gelding has been an absolute doddle to break, I really cannot speak highly enough of him, he is super clever, well mannered, lovely to handle and has super paces and a scopey jump. He has two full brothers one of which is 2* eventing in Germany and the other sold for a large amount as a show horse. I really would recommend Chillout as a sire, I know of another mare by him who is jumping 1.30/1.40.

The mare has been trickier to back but not unduly so, she has a super scopey jump but doesn't like you moving about in the saddle or too much leg. Puissances and Cavalier are both meant to be sharp but so far (touch wood) I think she will be the right type of 'sharp' to be competitive if you see what I mean. She is the spit looks wise of Puissance but she does have big 'Cavalier ears'!
 
Chloeeze - Darcy and Rosie? Is this Chloe at my yard, hurst farm? If it is i am still very jealous of your horses, amazing breeding and from ireland? Can't get much better than that! Lux z i haven't seen as many eventers? I've seen more by olympic lux but that may be just me. :)
 
I actually think this thread goes to prove that you can't really guess what a horse will be like just by looking at the stallion- it seems rather like star signs which always have 'something' to fit your personality but I find it hard to see how billions of people can have the same traits because of the month you were born in.

I have owned 3 x Oldleighlin horses and without doubt they were the easiest, quietest and most trainable horses I have ever had. I only sold 2 of them on as they were too quiet for me really and didn't seem to have any competitive bones in their bodies!

Yet someone on this thread thinks they eccentric/opinionated which couldn't be further from the truth for my 3 or any of the others I have known (another 5-6 on top of mine).


My One More Tiger is a feisty, opinionated mare who is pushy on the ground and can be sharp to ride- totally out of character for OMT children according to other H&H users! Her dam was an absolute doll, very quiet and a pleasure to deal with.

I also have a Primitive Proposal x Criminal Law x Gort Boy gelding who according to hearsay about those stallions should be pretty much unrideable- I should know the answer to that by the end of this year ;)
 
Hey Lucy tis me! what a coincidence, so funny! What a small world. Thanks for your compliments on Darcy and Rosie. Lexi is lovely as well though. I think most of the Lux Zs are showjumping more than eventing tbh. We will have to talk Irish breeding at the yard sometime! x
 
splash30 said:
Anyone got horses with Aldato either as sire or grand sire?
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I had a mare by Aldato, she was jumped in Holland but don't think she was good enough to go to the top so came here and sold on- I bought her after she had done a few BE100's with a YR as a fun project and she went to Advanced level in one season and was jumping 1m30's. (she wasn't fast enough to go 3/4* for me) She was lovely, beautiful and laid back but could be spooky when her mind wasn't kept busy but she was very straightforward and was bought by an amateur who went on to win with her also, she has soundness issues which was a shame but hopefully she'll be having babies very soon.
 
Auslander said:
Sniggers - sounds like both the second gen Ramiro's I've had! My big boy used to get terribly upset, and his sister would get a massive marish strop on and flatly refuse to co-operate with any requests, no matter how small! They were both by Into the West, out of an Irish TB mare - The mare had very strong opinions about everything, and he was KWPN - nuff said!

The mare was the nappiest thing I have ever sat on - but in a plant-y way. She'd stop dead, shut her eyes, stick her nose out and brace herself - and there was NOTHING you could do to shift her once she'd assumed the position! She was so unbelievably talented over a fence, stunning to look at, and moved beautifully, but inside the gorgeous exterior beat the heart of a camel...
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Mine was a second gen too! just wasn't worth the hassle when mine went into self destruct mode! bit of a waste of time arguing, had the personality of a stroppy mare!! shame he was a a gelding really... Found a lot of them don't help themselves out, they have bags of talent you can see it as they are gliding across the field and popping the fence out of it, but under saddle it takes a lot of work to channel them! think you summed it up perfectly "but inside the gorgeous exterior beat the heart of a camel..." !
 
Llanali said:
I didn't know you had one too!! I am in good company then. Could we see pictures please? Wonder how similar ours are to look at!
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Llanali said:
I don't know, Ghareeb seems to have gotten away with no bad words LOL
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Mine is bay and leggy! Her full brother is 1* eventing as a 6yo. She is probably the most straightforward mare I have ever had in my yard. Very sensitive but tries hard all the time and has a wow jump! I unfortunately don't own her and I am supposed to sell her but after a massive time waster (who pulled out after she passed a 5* vetting!!) I get to play with her a bit longer. :D
There are some pics on my fb http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f....603896083021.157357.277003326&type=3&theater she is the bay called Cherry (its an album of all the 4/5yo's developent over the past 12months!) these were taken only a few months after she was broken in this year so looks a bit scrawny in the first photos. She has put on alot more topline now.

Everyone I know who has a Ghareeb says the same about how lovely they are. I'm sure there are not so great ones but you do have to remember that the mare counts for a lot more than the sire!
 
millitiger said:
I actually think this thread goes to prove that you can't really guess what a horse will be like just by looking at the stallion- it seems rather like star signs which always have 'something' to fit your personality but I find it hard to see how billions of people can have the same traits because of the month you were born in.
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I'd sort of agree but sort of not. :)

There is no question genetics do play a part in temperament but obviously not isolations. They definitely do give horses tendencies but so much of it is what we make of it. I would say mares bring more to it, too - it's such a human thing to think somehow the male is the most important part of the equation. ;)

And really, most people don't see a large enough sample to generalise. It is so much about seeing trends and patterns, not this horse is this way or that way. I think that's a great value of the big studbooks, if people actually bother to use the information. The breeding reports track large groups and can start to generalise about things like which stallions improve jumping form or consistently produce ridability scores better than the dams'. Interesting stuff.

So much depends on how you define your terms, too. Good approval scores for ridability don't mean "beach donkey" and good temperament reviews don't mean cuddly. We've just had an example of a horse on here displaying what I considered a perfectly reasonable reaction to his situation and an expected level of sensitivity and athleticism for his breeding and yet many people considered him dangerous and unreasonable. If they'd seen the same horse in different cicumstances I suspect they might have assessed his "quirks" very differently.

There are some stallions that are frighteningly prepotent but they are generally the exception rather than the rule and end up being the sort of "super stallions" people know and so attribute all sorts of things to that one piece of the pedigree.

Re the dangerous horses, there have been some famously horrid racehorses - St Simon lines for instance - but they ran so they stayed and, I suspect, people kinda liked it. ;)
 
Any TBs who grandsire is ALLEGED, Sir Harry Lewis ,Flemensfirth, Rashar, Safety Catch are usually hardy at best, nutjobs at worst.
Alleged is the stallion Monty roberts talks about in his book he had special covering pen cos he hated people, put many peeps in hospital.
Great Palms usually go wrong in the wind.
Rode some very nice Oscars and beneficals
Everything by Grange Bouncer Jumps and seems to be nice natured and so do Colin Diamonds( LOVE THEM!)
Anyone got anything by Primmores pioneer??(old boss use to ride him would love to know what his children are like)
 
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