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OK, we all got off on the wrong foot and as you can see here there are some very strong views on breeding on this board, because some of us are at the coal face of rescue and rehoming and retraining and vet care so you can understand why feelings run high.

The Silly Brigade (er, me?) has made a big mess of your original thread so I am making a new one.

Tell us all about your dogs and what you do with them.

Those are mine down there, the grey one does tracking and the black and gold one does running around in circles, screaming
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(And before anyone calls me a perve, I'VE ALREADY GOT ONE!!!)
 
I will also apologize.

I volunteer at the humane society and often see the dark side of dog overpopulation and am really against most dog breeding.

So anyway.

I own a crazy australian shepherd mix and a brittany and 2 westies. I only have Abe the australian shepherd living with me right now the others live with my mum in the UK.

Tell us about your dogs?
 
We is not silly!
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Hello Simsar, I currently have parson russells, a vizsla, and a rescued lurcher. Breed, show and work my dogs.
I'm not apologising for my comments made on the previous thread but would still like to welcome you to the forum and join the others in asking about your dogs.
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Girlies I hate to say this but if the poor bloke has any common sense he has run a mile and is still going
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Since everyone is being so conciliatory however, I have two greyhounds and one greyhound x whippet Simstar, I am not daft enough to show or breed having been subject to the trials of both from a very early age, rescues are my thing now
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Welcome to All About Dogs, you will never be the same again now you have entered the mad zone....
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No apology needed, I do understand as we have a woman in the village who goes to Ireland and brings back LOADS of pups every couple of months and I have tryed to tell her that there are enough over here that need re-homing without hers from Ireland but she won't listen.
 
I understand when Dogs Trust send dogs over (obvs we're smaller and you have more homes over there!) but it hardly sends a message to the people who are spewing them out here, when they can be shipped to England, out of their hands and out of their minds
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I agree that there is a problem with backstreet breeding - anyone who has a pet bitch can sell the pups and make pounds - but I do think that people on here are so quick to jump on anyone who breeds a litter.

I think we need to take into context the person posting, and lets face it, how many of us on here have just pet dogs that we breed from every season just to make money and advertise in the local paper - its is those sort of breeders that are filling the rescue homes. Its the numptys that the breeders sell to that is the problem.

I feel that the HHO forum mostly contains sensible people, who lead country type lives revolved around animals and they are the ones who are breeding good working dogs who hopefully go on to serve a rewarding purpose and live a long and fulfilling purpose to whatever they are bred for.

I also don't agree with everyone who jumps on people who cross breed - there are loads of fabulous Sprockers, springadors and I even know of a labradoodle that leads an excellent working life.

The KC is not the be all and end all, in fact in my opinion, a lot of the pure bred dogs have more health problems than the cross breds.

So there - thats my take on it - I will now get off the soap box and refill my glass
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PS: I don't have bitches, have never bred a litter but I think you all need to see the wider picture
 
Sorry ravenwood i can't see the wider picture.

I see thousands of dogs dyeing every day and then i see people breeding more and more.

Oh and i have nothing against mixed breeds. Have one of me own and a charmer he is.
 
KC?? What's that then?
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(OK, I won't start that again....)

Crossbreeding in no way eliminates hereditary conditions like HD or ED (and a lot of the poodle crosses are NOT hypoallergenic!) but then I have a walking vet's bill, so who am I to talk
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KC?? What's that then?
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(OK, I won't start that again....)

Crossbreeding in no way eliminates hereditary conditions like HD or ED (and a lot of the poodle crosses are NOT hypoallergenic!) but then I have a walking vet's bill, so who am I to talk
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I believe it has been proven that crossbreeding more often produces twice as many hereditary problems in the dog.

Theres no such thing as a hypoallergenic dog technically, BUT there are purebreds that produce less dander and are very good for those with allergies (bedlingtons and my beloved basenjis to name a couple!). A friend of mine has awful allergies with dogs and cats, she comes out in a rash if she just strokes my pugs or labs, but the basenji doesnt affect her at all
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I think the hype about designer dogs, and the lies made up by "breeders" to sell them for stupid money has helped to give the impression to the general public that mongrels are automatically healthier than purebreds. A well bred, health tested pup is a much safer investment IMO
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But not everyone is wanting an hypoallegenic dog - the poodle originally was a working water dog - hence the clip we see nowadays and crossed with a lab makes an excellent working gun dog.

I am just trying to say that there are lots of other scenarios and living where we do here, where nearly all dogs are working dogs (with fabulous homes and live an amazing life doing what they were bred for) not everyone is buying a puppy for Christmas - some people take their dogs seriously (as I know you do) and offer a dog a fabulous home, whether it be a Sprocker or labradoodle and that (particularly in these parts) there is a home waiting for them.
 
I'm sorry but it does make me cross when people seem to think that the only acceptable excuse for breeding is if it is done under KC rules - ie show dogs, that will match KC breeding standards whereas us in the working dog world couldn't give a toss about KC show standards - have you seen the labs at Crufts? They wouldn't be able to do a day's work in their life! Luckily we have the Game keepers ring but that is very well hidden!

If you are into working dogs, whether that be terriers, springers, GSD's whatever - you are looking for good breeding in the competition line (ie FTC's) and proven record - it doesn't have to be a Cruft's show winning dog - actually the further from that the better!!

Its horses for courses - don't knock the breeder of working dogs when they are very much sought after.
 
Excellent choice - Lemon or raspberry for me I think...but then what do you have with the cheesecake? Just cheesecake or ice cream/cream etc? It takes some thinking...
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Generally I'm more of a cheesecake with added cheesecake type gal
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ITA RW...I don't think anyone was knocking working breeders.

For instance, the rules under which I compete, you cannot progress above a certain level or compete in certain disciplines without the dogs hips, elbows being scored, and of course to a certain standard - fair enough - you don't want a dysplastic dog hammering itself over 1m fences and A-frames.

You cannot get into the top breed classes without good scores and a short working test.

The KC does none of this. (Again, different row for a different day
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There will be a universal competition in Austria in 2011 in a bid to further marry the working and show type - a full trial followed by a breed survey, dog with most points wins.
 
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But not everyone is wanting an hypoallegenic dog - the poodle originally was a working water dog - hence the clip we see nowadays and crossed with a lab makes an excellent working gun dog.

I am just trying to say that there are lots of other scenarios and living where we do here, where nearly all dogs are working dogs (with fabulous homes and live an amazing life doing what they were bred for) not everyone is buying a puppy for Christmas - some people take their dogs seriously (as I know you do) and offer a dog a fabulous home, whether it be a Sprocker or labradoodle and that (particularly in these parts) there is a home waiting for them.

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Personally the Labradoodle pees me off because a) they cost an extortionate amount, and b) if everyone who was after a Labradoodle did some research and got an IWS, maybe they wouldn't be such a rare breed (although I know they are not a dog for everyone)
 
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