Farewell, Giles!

[Reginald]

"Could you kindly explain these apparent inconsistencies in your position reginald?"

There are no inconsistencies in my position Bob. If Giles isn't hunting then he can't be convicted of hunting. I haven't got time to look at the links you've provided, but will manage to do so later. In the meantime if you see Giles please tell him the good news.

 

[Bobcats_Livid_Issue]

Sorry Reginald I am a little confused.

You accept I assume that Defra advise that what Giles does is illegal?

You accept also I assume that the law makes flushing out wild mammals with dogs illegal.

Could you explain on what basis you consider flushing out and chasing wild mammals with dogs not to be illegal.

Could you also explain why you quote from Defra's guidance to infer that there must be an intention to catch a chased animal when their guidance is clearly the opposite of what you say it is?

 

[Bobcats_Livid_Issue]

you see I think where my confusion comes from is that you quote defra's guidance as saying that chasing a wild mammal with no intention to catch it is not illegal when actually the guidance is the exact opposite (my caps ):

"The deliberate use of dogs to chase a wild mammal, even if there is NO INTENTION OF CATCHING IT, is hunting and as such is prohibited by the Act."

Furthermore on the subject of Defra's guidance they state (as does the text of the act) that hunting includes "stalking and flushing out".

If flushing out is hunting and chasing is hunting on what basis is someone going out with dogs deliberately searching for deer, flushing them out and chasing them not illegal?

It strikes me that you are just spouting crap.

 

[Reginald]

Bob, I'm like patience on a monument, but there are only so many times I can say it: Giles, bless him, can't be convicted of hunting when he's not hunting. He can scare away deer with his dog, but why not just clap or shout - that'll do the job much more efficiently.

 

[Bobcats_Livid_Issue]

Reginald. He doesn't just 'scare away deer' he flushes them out and chases them.

Is flushing out and chasing deer illegal or not?

You see what confuses me is that the law says that flushing out animals is illegal. I'm confused as to on what basis you think it isn't.

Also Defra are quite clear that chasing away deer is illegal. Why do you think it isn't.

Am I right in saying that you believe that anybody can just go out with a dog, flush out deer and chase them for as far as they like and that is totally legal?

 

[Reginald]

"Bob, I'm like patience on a monument, but there are only so many times I can say it: Giles, bless him, can't be convicted of hunting when he's not hunting. He can scare away deer with his dog, but why not just clap or shout - that'll do the job much more efficiently."

 

[Sooty]

It's Christmas. Get a room!!!

 

[Bobcats_Livid_Issue]

LOL Reginald. I got your views on scaring deer. How about chasing them?

I'm not sure what the point is in you just reposting the non answer you gave before is.

I'm going to go out and deliberately chase deer with dogs this weekend. is that legal or not?

 

[antihunt]

"Bob, I'm like patience on a monument, but there are only so many times I can say it: Giles, bless him, can't be convicted of hunting when he's not hunting. He can scare away deer with his dog, but why not just clap or shout - that'll do the job much more efficiently."

For the record Reginald is talking total crap. Flushing out deer IS illegal. We are very proud of this law. Flsuhed out deer have to be shot to prevent them being flushed out again. This is completely appropriate. People who refuse to shoot the deer the flush out are criminals and need to be prosecuted as such.

 

[antiantianti]

LOL Reginald. I got your views on scaring deer. How about chasing them?

I'm not sure what the point is in you just reposting the non answer you gave before is.

I'm going to go out and deliberately chase deer with dogs this weekend. is that legal or not?

hahaha I am happy to report that we have got this child abusing, bestialist, rapist, drunken pro banned again!!!

Even on the hunting worlds premier forum WE control who can post.

 

[soggy]

Anyone know who's who?

I lost track of all these multi identities weeks ago.

 

[antiantianti]

If you are suggesting I am reginald you are wrong!!!

 

[Bedlam]

If you are suggesting I am reginald you are wrong!!!

Hello again!

I do find this diverting - please keep it up!

 

[antihunt]

I'm going to go out and deliberately chase deer with dogs this weekend. is that legal or not?

NOT legal. It is a disgrace that you are allowed to openly break the law.

 

[Bedlam]

Now I think we're arguing amongst ourselves.....????!!

 

[antihunt]

It is very important to be clear about what the Hunting Act bans. Searching for deer, stalking them, flushing them out and chasing them with dogs are all now illegal unless the animals are shot as soon as possible.

In a recent crucial judgement it has been ruled that ten guns or more must be used in the case of deer lest an entire herd is flushed. This is to ensure that all the animals are slaughtered.

We cannot tolerate the situation where people go out with over the maximum legal number of dogs and del;iberately and openly flout the law to make a mockery of it.

This man may have an objection to shooting the deer but that is just tough. We all have to put our duty to obey the law above our moral principals.

 

[Sidesaddle]

Blimey, I am confused.

Who is antihunt and who is antiantianti? Are they the same person? Whose alter egos are they?

God this forum is better than Corrie and Eastenders rolled into on!

 

[antihunt]

Blimey, I am confused.

Who is antihunt and who is antiantianti? Are they the same person? Whose alter egos are they?

God this forum is better than Corrie and Eastenders rolled into on!

I think there is a certain amount of division in the anti hunt community between those who do not agree with flushed out animals being shot and those who fully support the Huntung Act.

Reginald, tegoz and feather are clearly in the former camp.

The case for the Hunting Act needs to be clearly made. It is vital that deliberately flushed out deer get shot.

 

[Sidesaddle]

I think there is a certain amount of division in the anti hunt community between those who do not agree with flushed out animals being shot and those who fully support the Huntung Act.

Reginald, tegoz and feather are clearly in the former camp.

The case for the Hunting Act needs to be clearly made. It is vital that deliberately flushed out deer get shot.

Ummm - I think the only thing that everyone agrees on is the fact that the Hunting Act is a load of bollox.

 

[antihunt]

It most certainly isn't. I am sure that the massive majority of the british publicv are in favour of deer being shot dead in these circumstances.

People have to be prevented from disturbing wil mammals with dogs.

 

[Reginald]

Has Giles been banned AGAIN? When he comes back can he pick a wittier name than the dull ones he's been using recently...

 

[antihunt]

As I am sure you agree banning him is not enough. He deliberately flushes out and chases deer with dogs and must be prosecuted. People cannot be allowed to just break laws because they think they are ridiculous.

The law makes it quite clear that these deer must be shot.

 

[Reginald]

I'm more concerned by his alleged behaviour on HHO meets. Perhaps he's a nice guy in real life. I wish him well.

 

[antihunt]

I'm more concerned by his alleged behaviour on HHO meets. Perhaps he's a nice guy in real life. I wish him well.

How can you say that someone who deliberately takes his dogs into a wood with the full knowledge that any deer in the wood will run out without taking the legally required steps to shoot the deer is a 'nice guy'?

 

[antiantianti]

Reginald, I'd be very interested in hearing about what exactly happened at this meet. Could you post or PM any material you have on this criminal please.

 

[Reginald]

Try posting in the soapbox forum asking for info. But be careful: the agony suffered by a fox being thrown alive to a pack of hounds is as nothing to the violence of the soapbox ladies' attack on Giles when he crossed them, the poor poppet.

 

[antiantianti]

I've pmed a few of the ladies over there but they say you are talking rubbish.

I suspect it is a 'wall of silence'. How typical of the Fraternity.

 

[Sidesaddle]

It most certainly isn't. I am sure that the massive majority of the british publicv are in favour of deer being shot dead in these circumstances.

People have to be prevented from disturbing wil mammals with dogs.

Are you for real?

 

[antiantianti]

Antihunt ius quite right. The Hunting Act should be enforced to its full extent and this involves preventing people from disturbing wild mammals with dogs.

When a wild mammal enounters a dog it is put in fear of its life.

How can one disturb a wild mammal with a dog without flushing that animal out? Flushing wild mammals out has been banned because it is cruel.

 

[jhoward]

Has Giles been banned AGAIN? When he comes back can he pick a wittier name than the dull ones he's been using recently...

clearly hes just not that clever!