Fat Competition Riders

if we all waited until we looked slim and elegant and rode perfectly there would be very few people out competing!

i think as long as someone is suitably mounted then anyone of any shape or size should be allowed to complete without being ridiculed. And I am sure no-one would ever suggest disabled people should not be able to compete just because they might not have full use of all their limbs so might find it harder to balance.

yes they may not look as elegant in the arena as a slim young beautiful person but does it really matter that much that someone needs to start a post on it that may make people feels insecure? If people find it acceptable for overweight people to hack out or ride in the school then what is the difference with competing especially at the lower levels? There are lots of reasons why people may have riding faults or find it harder to balance so why pick on overweight people.

There are plenty enough people who are not overweight who feel insecure about their weight as it is and it stops them living life to the full and I think being overweight should not stop people from having a go at something if they want to as long as it does not seriously endanger their health or that or their horses.

Being overweight also does not mean that some is unfit as you need a basic level of fitness to be able to compete and people might actually be trying to lose weight.

I am a short slim person so I am not being defensive.
 
There's a couple of people on this forum who post pictures and they look like they can hardly bend their legs because they're so fat and short at the same time. I don't understand how you can balance and use yourself properly without fit, muscled legs at least. I've never looked at someone with thunder thighs riding and thought 'they're good', it's impossible to tell :confused: I work in racing and work hard to stay slim and fit, so why shouldn't other riders.
 
You say this thread is about fat competition riders... Oh crap I forgot that competition riders only apply to those who compete over elementary BD, foxhunter SJ and 1* BE. Even though the lower levels forking out to compete are what actually keep BD,BS and BE afloat. Oops my bad...
Do I think you should tell a fat person that they are hindering their horse and need to loose weight to be successful??? NO, I think a good trainer will work with what their client is, encourage them and give them confidence. All you technically overweight riders who have commented on this thread have admitted you could lose weight (and are trying to lose weight), I think if you are larger... You know about it. How couldn't you in this society!

And btw I'm not fat, I weigh 7/8 stone and am 5ft6. However I did think I was fat as a teenager and tried to diet like all my friends did... One nearly died of anorexia.

Talking about weight is not something to glib about on a forum. We are all clever people... We know slim riders are more athletic it's not rocket science but it doesn't mean heavier riders can not be capable. We have friends on this forum who could be reading this that don't confirm no normal sizes and do you want to upset these people?
 
Seth said:
There's a couple of people on this forum who post pictures and they look like they can hardly bend their legs because they're so fat and short at the same time. I don't understand how you can balance and use yourself properly without fit, muscled legs at least..
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I can't believe you said this. How rude you are.

PEOPLE WHO MAKE THESE SORT OF COMMENTS ARE THE VERY REASON THESE POSTS SHOULD NEVER BE STARTED.

Comments like this should be reported it's outrageous
 
janey said:
I can't believe you said this. How rude you are.

PEOPLE WHO MAKE THESE SORT OF COMMENTS ARE THE VERY REASON THESE POSTS SHOULD NEVER BE STARTED.

Comments like this should be reported it's outrageous
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But, as a short fat person, I agree. If I lost weight I would have been a far more effective rider. And, at 5'2 on tiptoes and size 16, I am fat. No denying it. I eat healthily, and am slowly slimming down, and am actually reasonably fit (ie not dying after an XC round!), but I am fat and so am so careful about what I ride.

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^Me on my horse.

I am lucky in that I do have decent balance, and enough competence to effectively ride but I know my riding was hindered by my weight, especially dressage. If I lost weight, I could have probably got him to go an awful lot better!!

If I were aiming at riding at a high level, I would do everything I could to slim down, and lose a lot of weight and get fit. There are different levels of competition rider, and although riding at a competition technically makes you a competition rider, I believe a competition rider is someone who rides at competitions for more than fun. Thats what I think this post was about- not the average comp rider who does 2'3/ prelim dressage!

ETA: If you take offence at someone saying that your so fat you can hardly bend your knees, you probably need to do something about it... Unless of course you took offence on behalf of those people, at which point you need to let them be offended first! I personally took no offence, and take no offence, and being told I'm overweight. Because I know I am.
 
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Lolo, you look to be a similar build to me, and this what I am getting at, to be competitive at RC/unaff level I don't need to make the extra effort required when competing at a higher level. I agree that some people don't take the whole 'picture' into consideration, but the reason racing using weight as a handicapping system is because additional weight hinders horses!
BTW can I just add that your horse has a lovely genuine expression!
 
LEC said:
Possibly controversial ;) but I was running some unaff dressage a few weekends ago and watched a pair doing their test. It was shocking. The rider was far too fat. There was no balance, no core and it just looked absolutely awful. I spoke to the judge as I was collecting the score sheets and throughout the test the judge had written lost balance. This rider clearly knew what they were doing but their weight was really hindering their riding.

Before you think what a cow I am, I would like to add that I am not in anyway a skinny mini being built like a brick outhouse and having the thighs of a rugby player. Size 12 to me is a far and distant dream! In April I hit 13 stone and was shocked by photos but more than that I could not ride properly as my thighs hindered my seat , I normally have great core strength but I was flabby, all over the place and my balance was not as good. After that I have made a huge effort to lose the weight, get fitter and my riding is better as a result though I seem to have ruined my best breeches by squeezing my lardy arse into them!

So do you think instructors should be harsher and point some of these things out? Are we in a society now that tries to soothe too much? If you are entering a competition to be judged on your riding would you accept these comments? How can we educate riders better as this problem will surely only keep on growing? Thoughts?
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I haven't read through the whole thread, but just answering the OPs question. My instructer does tell those she teaches if they need to get fitter. With regards to myself, my riding is the only thing that gives me the incentive to stay fit. I have been jogging recently in anticipation of getting a new horse :D

The world is made up of all sorts though, and I'd never mention to a fat person they ought to lose weight or get fitter, unless I thought the horse was suffering, but it would have to be a pretty extreme case for that probably.
 
I think that competitive riders can't possibly be as fit as they might be if they are carrying excess pounds. They can't be as flexible if flab is encasing the areas around a 'folding point' and their altered centre gravity must play some part in their ability to balance - and I'm talking physics, not skill.

I don't think it can be argued, either, that a rider of between 8 and 12 stones in weight causes anywhere near the same amount of strain to a horse's legs and back on landing over a big fence or performing advanced dressage movements as a rider of 15 stones and upwards, regardless of a horse's weight-carrying capability. All this business of 'riding light' when talking of those already riding to a high standard doesn't make any sense at all to me. Extra weight detrimentally affects performance. The racing industry seem to have cottoned on to this a long time ago and I won't be putting any money on the horse with the 16 stone jockey up top.

I'm really not sure how competitive riders can overlook this fundamental fact. Surely, you need to be at or very near your optimum weight and size to perform at your very best. Goodness knows why they would want to shorten their odds of winning or inconvenience their horse maybe to the point of injury (or at least serious discomfort) for want of a proper regime is beyond me. I think it's a bit arrogant really, to inflict your unnecessary excess weight on a performance animal. Or any animal come to that.
 
I found this thread really interesting to read with everyones views. I am over most peoples ideal weight limit, and certainly over most riding schools weight limits, and if you go off BMI, about 2.5 stones over the top weight for my height. I'm just under 5ft11 so the long legs are on my side! I'm very careful about which horses I ride, and I do ride lightly, and I am balanced. I struggle with exercising because of cholinergic urticaria but I do what I can. My legs are solid muscle, especially my thighs (as anyone who saw Godiva can see!) I tend to carry weight on my boobs and tummy. I am fit enough for what I do, but if I suddenly decided to take up eventing (don't worry, I'd have to find some nerves somewhere!) I would be looking at a fitness programme for me.
I don't look my weight, as my doctor keeps telling me - I think he thinks I have bricks in my pockets when he weighs me as he always looks puzzled.
I think as long as you are balanced, of an appropriate weight for your horse and fit for the job both you and your horse are doing, then it's all fine
 
I'm really shocked at this thread.

I'm a fat rider.
Do you guys think I don't know I'm fat?
Who decided that I need to be told I'm fat?

Did you stop to think about why I might be fat?

In my case it's because I'm recovering from a life threatening illness.

Nice to know theres people out there who are going to tell me at shows how fat I am - I'd give you a two word answer :mad: and tell you it's none of your business.
 
timestwo said:
Nice to know theres people out there who are going to tell me at shows how fat I am - I'd give you a two word answer :mad: and tell you it's none of your business.
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The OP did not suggest that at all - she actually wondered whether instructors should suggest to their pupils that they should lose weight to improve their riding ability. If there are circumstances, such as yours, where the excess weight is unavoidable, then presumably the individual instructor would be aware of that anyway.
 
I'm finding this thread fascinating. I'm fat and I'm making a real effort to loose weight, mainly because I think I look bad on my lovely elegant horse. BUT you've all mentioned fat thighs interfereing with riding and my thighs really were large, but I've now lost about a stone and my horse is going much better. Now I don't think that this is because I'm lighter, because he goes beautifully for a heavy man who used to ride him, but that man didn't have fat thighs! So maybe he's going better because I'm now riding more effectively.

Having lost a stone I was finding the motivation to loose more hard, especially with this nasty weather, but this thread has reinspired me to loose the other stone I want to get rid of.
 
OEH said:
I'm finding this thread fascinating. I'm fat and I'm making a real effort to loose weight, mainly because I think I look bad on my lovely elegant horse. BUT you've all mentioned fat thighs interfereing with riding and my thighs really were large, but I've now lost about a stone and my horse is going much better. Now I don't think that this is because I'm lighter, because he goes beautifully for a heavy man who used to ride him, but that man didn't have fat thighs! So maybe he's going better because I'm now riding more effectively.

Having lost a stone I was finding the motivation to loose more hard, especially with this nasty weather, but this thread has reinspired me to loose the other stone I want to get rid of.
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This is it, in a nutshell. Thank goodness someone's seen what some of us were trying to say - that fat gets in the way of being the best rider that one can be.

My bum and thighs are a stone heavier than they should be. This thread has really drummed into me that I need to face up to it, get on with it and lose that stone. So, thanks everyone. :) :) :)

timestwo - wow, so this thread was all directly aimed at you, was it? Gosh, we are all very sorry.
Seriously - it wasn't aimed at anyone.
 
hmmm what is classed as "fat" these days? I don't really think it effects anybody else so people shouldn't worry about others and their weight unless obviously it's causing discomfort to the horse. As long as that person if happy in their own skin it's no one elses business like. The only thing that amazes me is how you manage to ride without getting absolutley shattered!? I'm a size 8-10 and when I first got back into riding I couldnt school for more than like 10 mins without being ridiculously nakered lol :o thankfully now I'm a bit fitter
 
I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and we have lots of them on this thread.

I know I personally ride better when I feel lighter and fitter. And I believe my horse goes better for me. There will always be reasons why people cannot lose weight through excercise etc as a result of accidents/illnesses. And in that instance so long as they are matched to their mounts correctly in size distribution then I am fine with that. One thing I will say is though, we can control what goes in our mouths.

I am a size 16 and nearly 5ft 11. I know I have fat thighs and big butt but doing my hardest to lose weight and get fitter. Gave up smoking 4 weeks ago also. I wouldn't expect my horse to lug me round a cross country course until I had improved my fitness. I may still be a size 16 but hopefully bit lighter and fitter.

And yes also have seen some terrible skinnies hanging onto mouths etc.

Very interesting though to see other peoples comments, one thing I do feel self conscious of is riding in front of an audience when on the heavier side.
 
Just a thought but maybe the horse goes better/nicer when you are slimmer not because of the actual weight of you but because of the way you feel about your weight? You feel happier about yourself? Not a proven fact but just an idea. I know if I feel good about myself when i'm riding my horse always goes better for me
 
LEC said:
Possibly controversial ;) but I was running some unaff dressage a few weekends ago and watched a pair doing their test. It was shocking. The rider was far too fat. There was no balance, no core and it just looked absolutely awful. I spoke to the judge as I was collecting the score sheets and throughout the test the judge had written lost balance. This rider clearly knew what they were doing but their weight was really hindering their riding.

Before you think what a cow I am, I would like to add that I am not in anyway a skinny mini being built like a brick outhouse and having the thighs of a rugby player. Size 12 to me is a far and distant dream! In April I hit 13 stone and was shocked by photos but more than that I could not ride properly as my thighs hindered my seat , I normally have great core strength but I was flabby, all over the place and my balance was not as good. After that I have made a huge effort to lose the weight, get fitter and my riding is better as a result though I seem to have ruined my best breeches by squeezing my lardy arse into them!

So do you think instructors should be harsher and point some of these things out? Are we in a society now that tries to soothe too much? If you are entering a competition to be judged on your riding would you accept these comments? How can we educate riders better as this problem will surely only keep on growing? Thoughts?
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I would like to lose weight. I am five foot eleven, weigh 15 stone (I am not too shy/embarrased/pretentious to mention this) and I am very concious that I am heavy particularly when I see photos of myself in white jods. But I acknowledge I have a problem and I am trying to do something about it. Sometimes its difficult to make lifestyle choices, often due to finances, my main reason is that my OH eats poorly, often eating half a packet of biscuits in one sitting, he also eats chocolate and cakes, sometimes he will eat two chocolate bars and three Mr Kipling cakes in one day. I find it very hard to resist. Also the finance thing - eating healthily does not come cheap despite what Jamie Oliver and Co expect us to believe. I would love to 'look the part' but it seems very difficult. I gave up smoking over a year ago now, a fact that I am extremely proud of. My weight is my next life goal and then when i have reached the weight that will make me 'happy' I will affiliate dressage, this is my long term goal now. Another goal is Dad bribing me with £200 if I lose two stone, and Mum saying she will buy me a Pikeur show jacket to flatter my figure (if I ever get a figure)!! I feel I owe it to my boy to lose the weight, and also to my bad back which would, I feel, really make a difference to the pain I am experiencing every time I jump my horse.

I am already swimming, sometimes twice a week, and I am going to try and walk my partners dog more (see siggy) as you will see she is also very overweight too, so it will do us both good.
 
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Crikey.....I've read most of it now.......

Personally I think it all comes down to both the horse and the rider being fit for the job they are doing.

The fitness required to do RC SJ and unaffiliated prelim dressage is not the same as a 4* event. And the competitors at 4* are pros (predominantly) and therefore like other sportsmen and models actors etc it is their job to keep their weight and fitness at optimum levels. For the average hobby rider it is much more of a compromise.

There will be an optimum weight and fitness level for everyone. Thinner is not always best, there comes a point when loosing more weight reduces muscle and makes you less effective. Just ask polar explorers and mountaineers who intentionally bulk up so that they can "afford" to loose weight during an expedition. Peoples natural build and frame affect the way they look too.

At the end of the day people owe it to their horses to be fit enough for the job, it is simply not fair to collapse in a heap at the end of a XC course - if you are doing this your fitness needs to improve, or you need to accept that you cannot compete at that level. This is the same for any sport, but riders seem to be more sensitive and less willing to address this than in other sports.

It is possible to be balanced and effective and ride well despite being overweight, so in the OP I think the judge was correct to simply write unbalanced. It is possible to be overweight but to have excellent core muscles hidden under the fat. The rider's weight may be a factor but a thin person can just as easily have poor core stability, poor balance and so on. It is down to the rider to examine the causes and solutions for her lack of balance, possibly with the assistance of her instructor.

Personally - my own instructor has recently lost quite a lot of weight and has said that it improves her riding, makes her feel better and you can see it in the results she has had this year. She is quick to comment when people have lost weight, and I think that is a more positive and encouraging way of dealing with the issue rather than saying "it is no wonder your a rubbish rider you big fatty"!!! Having said that she is also prepared to say if someone needs to work on their fitness, especially if being asked how to sort a problem. With hobby riders I think this is absolutely the right approach, with serious competitors I think it would be dishonest and misleading not to "train" the whole picture and someone coaching at a serious level should be prepared to tackle rider fitness as they would horse fitness.

Me - I'm a bit over my ideal BMI, but I cope fine with the riding I'm doing at the moment. However if I was going to compete XC I would need to be fitter. I'm fine for dressage and SJ at the level I ride. My size and shape don't cause me any problems as at 5ft8" and a size 14 I've not got fat getting in the way. My legs have virtually no fat, I build muscle on my legs easily and they are very solid, I carry a bit more weight on my stomach than I would like and I have big boobs. Underneath my stomach my core muscles are strong. At the level I am at there is no need to work harder at my fitness or size but if I went up a level I accept I would have to work at it.

That has to sum it up, if we want to perform at our optimum level in any sport then we need to be at optimal weight and fitness for that sport (it will be different for riding to marathon running and different again to rowing). But not being at your optimal fitness doesn't make you rubbish or mean that judges should comment upon it.

The exception being showing. If you compete in showing you need to accept that you are being judged on appearence and if loosing a stone will make the overall picture look better it will be reflected in your placings! I was stunned at HOYS to see people with bulging jacket buttons struggling to run in order to trot their horse up!
 
Katt said:
Me - I'm a bit over my ideal BMI, but I cope fine with the riding I'm doing at the moment. However if I was going to compete XC I would need to be fitter. I'm fine for dressage and SJ at the level I ride. My size and shape don't cause me any problems as at 5ft8" and a size 14 I've not got fat getting in the way. My legs have virtually no fat, I build muscle on my legs easily and they are very solid, I carry a bit more weight on my stomach than I would like and I have big boobs. Underneath my stomach my core muscles are strong. At the level I am at there is no need to work harder at my fitness or size but if I went up a level I accept I would have to work at it.

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Five eight and a size 14 I wouldn't consider fat by any means! Which is what I hate about BMI - personally I don't find that BMI is a very good indication of fitness or fatness. There was a show in the US ages ago about a national fitness champion (eg personal trainer/body builder and fitness guru) who went to a doctors office to be weighed and measured - she weighed something like 157 lbs and was 5'7" and her BMI was too high. She was wearing a pair of loose trousers and a sweater. The doctor told her to lose some weight to be at optimal BMI. She stripped down to her skivvies and was nothing but rippling muscle and like 10% body fat (or less...can't recall exactly , but it was ridiculously low for a female).

RC level riders who are taught might not necessarily need to be berated for their weight if it's an issue. But if they are wanting to advance and their weight IS holding them back, then a RI might feel obliged to say so.
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kerilli said:
My bum and thighs are a stone heavier than they should be. This thread has really drummed into me that I need to face up to it, get on with it and lose that stone. So, thanks everyone. :) :) :)
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Ditto :D i think everyones going to be dieting/exercising more for the next few weeks now!! :p
 
PucciNPoni said:
Five eight and a size 14 I wouldn't consider fat by any means! Which is what I hate about BMI - personally I don't find that BMI is a very good indication of fitness or fatness. There was a show in the US ages ago about a national fitness champion (eg personal trainer/body builder and fitness guru) who went to a doctors office to be weighed and measured - she weighed something like 157 lbs and was 5'7" and her BMI was too high. She was wearing a pair of loose trousers and a sweater. The doctor told her to lose some weight to be at optimal BMI. She stripped down to her skivvies and was nothing but rippling muscle and like 10% body fat (or less...can't recall exactly , but it was ridiculously low for a female).

RC level riders who are taught might not necessarily need to be berated for their weight if it's an issue. But if they are wanting to advance and their weight IS holding them back, then a RI might feel obliged to say so.
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But hardly anyone mentioned BMI on this thread anyway, did they?! It's a guideline, but not a reliable one, especially for very fit people, since muscle weighs more than fat etc. It's well documented that many top rugby players count as obese (or even morbidly obese) if just their BMI is checked.

We were talking about noticeable fat, not BMIs.
Oh, and just in case i'm being accused of being "too shy/embarrassed/pretentious to mention" my weight etc, it's 10 stone 12, 5'10", BMI 22.5 (so, well within guidelines... but they don't take fat flobby thighs and bum into account, do they?)
 
kerilli said:
But hardly anyone mentioned BMI on this thread anyway, did they?! It's a guideline, but not a reliable one, especially for very fit people, since muscle weighs more than fat etc. It's well documented that many top rugby players count as obese (or even morbidly obese) if just their BMI is checked.

We were talking about noticeable fat, not BMIs.
Oh, and just in case i'm being accused of being "too shy/embarrassed/pretentious to mention" my weight etc, it's 10 stone 12, 5'10", BMI 22.5 (so, well within guidelines... but they don't take fat flobby thighs and bum into account, do they?)
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It was battered around a few times. And I'll admit that it was a slight wandering off topic. But what you say about it being a guideline (and not a reliable) one was exactly my point. I dunno why I touched on that (except that hte poster directly in front of me did, I guess).

And yep, noticeable fat...in my first post (several pages back) I mentioned that my own RI told me that my balance issues (when I was asking her WHY I was having problems) stemmed from my erse being too big for my saddle. LOL. I'm not cross --just embarassed that I managed to allow an extra stone (or two) creep onto my small frame over the past 7 years since I stopped gyming. However, I am off to go see if I can find myself a second hand treadmill on ebay! I wonder if there's going to be shortage after this thread?! And in my neck of the woods, there will suddenly be a lack of cake sales!
 
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Katt said:
Me - I'm a bit over my ideal BMI, but I cope fine with the riding I'm doing at the moment. However if I was going to compete XC I would need to be fitter. I'm fine for dressage and SJ at the level I ride. My size and shape don't cause me any problems as at 5ft8" and a size 14 I've not got fat getting in the way. My legs have virtually no fat, I build muscle on my legs easily and they are very solid, I carry a bit more weight on my stomach than I would like and I have big boobs. Underneath my stomach my core muscles are strong. At the level I am at there is no need to work harder at my fitness or size but if I went up a level I accept I would have to work at it.

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Five eight and a size 14 I wouldn't consider fat by any means! Which is what I hate about BMI - personally I don't find that BMI is a very good indication of fitness or fatness. There was a show in the US ages ago about a national fitness champion (eg personal trainer/body builder and fitness guru) who went to a doctors office to be weighed and measured - she weighed something like 157 lbs and was 5'7" and her BMI was too high. She was wearing a pair of loose trousers and a sweater. The doctor told her to lose some weight to be at optimal BMI. She stripped down to her skivvies and was nothing but rippling muscle and like 10% body fat (or less...can't recall exactly , but it was ridiculously low for a female).

RC level riders who are taught might not necessarily need to be berated for their weight if it's an issue. But if they are wanting to advance and their weight IS holding them back, then a RI might feel obliged to say so.
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Quite - I'm not fat and my BMI confirms that, just a little overweight. My BMI is about 25.5 or 26, so only a little over the normal range, but I know that I could be thinner, I was a good stone lighter when I met DH and by no means skinny! I do know though that a BMI towards the bottom of normal would make me look very thin, I've been there, and I prefer to have boobs rather than protruding hip bones!

I think the BMI is a pretty reliable indicator for the average person. However it is better viewed alongside a measure of body fat ratio as those with high muscle mass tend to appear overweight according to BMI alone.

It is generally over BMI 30 that you are considered clinically obese, and at that level I would think you would notice an affect on your riding, even if just hacking out. It would start to inhibit your movement and flexibility, although that doesn't mean that you shouldn't ride. It would also inhibit your movement in day to day life!
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Leaving aside competing at something like eventing I would say there is a point where your weight would compromise your ability to ride, judging by your own descriptions most of you are not anywhere near this weight/size.

In the last 18 months I have put on 4 stone, prior to this I was mildy overweight but pretty fit. I used to occasionally ride a big boned horse for 1/2 hour lessons. At that weight I think I would have been ok balance wise had I always ridden, but I hadn't for 20 years and I felt it was unfair to ask a horse to put up with that so I stopped and said to myself if I could lose 2-3 stone it would be better.

Four stone heavier now and I wouldn't dream of sitting on any horse for any reason, and probably wouldn't even if I could ride before I put on the weight. My weight does effect me in lots of ways I couldn't have imagined four stone earlier and I think at the size I am now even if I could ride I don't think I would, regardless of the horse I had.
 
kerilli said:
Oh, and just in case i'm being accused of being "too shy/embarrassed/pretentious to mention" my weight etc, it's 10 stone 12, 5'10", BMI 22.5 (so, well within guidelines... but they don't take fat flobby thighs and bum into account, do they?)
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I am currently half a stone heavier than you and about the same height, being just over 5ft10. If I lost another stone and a half I would look awful IMO - this is me at around 12 stone, I don't think that is too heavy for SJing, but I am sure a lot of people think 12 stone is heavy! However, I know that my horse is thankful that I have lost 20lbs this year, he certainly goes better.

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I don't understand why people take these threads personally. It goes without saying that the sleeker you are, (not skinny, just the right sleekness for your build), the better you will ride, the better you will run, the better you will do everything as your joints will not be over taxed! If we ask a horse to run and jump under us, then surely we should be fit enough to run and jump the same distance?
 
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