Fed up with ignorant dog owners

When we get our bitch at the end of this year she will be spayed after her first or second season
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Can't have two entire of opposite sex living together - def don't want puppies.
 
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The benefits of neutering/spaying far outweigh the negatives.

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If we are talking male dogs - I disagree.
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Well we'll have to agree to disagree then. The only negatives are possible weight gain (if overfed) and the cosmetics. The health benefits are argueably more of a pro than a con.
 
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To be honest, if you had just said that it was irresponsible of bitch-owners to walk their bitches off lead in public places because of the risk of unwanted pregnancies, then I think most people on here would have agreed with you.

I think it is the angle you came from of the effect it had on your dog that has caused the dissent. Just as the owner of an unspayed bitch always has to take into account that there is likely to be a stray entire male about somewhere, the owner of a un-neutered male has to take into account they are likely to encounter a loose in-season bitch.

It is one of the things you have to take into consideration when you make the decision not to neuter or not, along with the environment you exercise your dog in and his level of training.

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I know.. I just have had so many in the last few weeks... there is usually only one and I know roughly when her seasons are and just avoid that park... I just wish people would be a bit more thoughtful
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I take full responsibility for ensuring my entire dog never has unwanted puppies...
 
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see I have a feeling that you won't be satisfied with my answer whatever I say - becuase we have different views that we both feel strongly about

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I really am chuckling in a "fond of you" kind of a fashion, not in a nasty way, but can you see the irony of your postings?
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It isn't that bitch owners aren't satisfied with your answers, it's that we can change the exact disagreement around to perfectly suit dog AND bitch owners.
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It is actually the SAME view, not different, it's just that one lot of people are looking from the female perspective and others are taking up the male perspective. Neither sides are wrong - or if they are wrong, then they are no more wrong than the other side. You know what I'm saying
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But...your dog isn't castrated..so same danger of becoming a 'parent', so should therefore be kept away from an area where he could potentially bother other dogs..
So it works both ways.
 
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The benefits of neutering/spaying far outweigh the negatives.

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If we are talking male dogs - I disagree.
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Well we'll have to agree to disagree then. The only negatives are possible weight gain (if overfed) and the cosmetics. The health benefits are argueably more of a pro than a con.

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Cosmetics!!! Oh my god I cannot stand seeing a pair of danglies on a male dog. They either look ready to pop or they hand down like tennis balls in a sock YUK
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And re the dogs running up to each other to say hello,.......I positively encourage it as I think they are so much more socially acceptable and easier to handle if they can mingle and they usually sort out their differences if they're left off the lead. The only dogs Alf has a problem with are the ones that are snatched back by the owners and put on leads.
 
Why should they have to avoid the park because of your dog? You have an entire dog-you could when you first know they are going to be there (having met them) avoid it for 3 weeks in case they are there and it upsets your dog.
I don't get how your dog is ok because you never let him out of your sight but theirs aren't no matter on lead or off.
Playing devils advocate...all but one of our 5 dogs are done.
 
OOTP-what if the other dog is on the lead?
I have two terriers who are both nervous of larger dogs and will snap, and 3 larger dogs who are all happy to play, if another dog is on a lead, mine don't go near (as I call them/they dont interact anyway unless encouraged), and if mine are on the lead I get really peeved if loose dogs are allowed to come near them as they will be on a lead for a reason..
 
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Just thought I would add my experience - I have new neighbours and they brought with them an un-desexed male beagle. This is all ok however they allow this beagle to roam everywhere.

I know for a fact that it has got the staffy bitch down the road pregnant (at least twice) - it gave my 8month old puppy a phantom pregnancy and they thought that it would be cute for her to have beagle x ridgeback x rottie puppies (I don't think so !!) There is also a german shepherd (sp) breeder across the road from me, he has fully fenced his property so that they can't get out but this beagle has managed to get in etc etc.

My two dogs know the boundary of my property (not fenced) and even if I am not out with them they do not stray and why?? because I bother to train them and spend time with them.

I am now in the process of putting in a formal comlaint to our local animal control as they don't make an effort to contain the animal and it is always over on my property chasing my 2 deaf cats !! Not a good situation - I feel like getting hold of the thing and taking it to the pound so that they have to pay to get him out.
 
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Well I think its bad form to complain about your dog going into sniffing overdrive when its YOU who should be sorting your own dog out not expecting others to sort him out for you.

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I do sort him out
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And once he gets older he will have less trouble. Sorry - there is no point in continuing cos we obviously have different points of view. But most people that responsibly own entire bitches on this thread (or have done) would not walk them in a busy park full of dogs, many of which are not castrated.
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But...your dog isn't castrated..so same danger of becoming a 'parent', so should therefore be kept away from an area where he could potentially bother other dogs..
So it works both ways.

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Sorry - I disagree. I am responsible and don't allow him to 'become a parent'

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Why should they have to avoid the park because of your dog? You have an entire dog-you could when you first know they are going to be there (having met them) avoid it for 3 weeks in case they are there and it upsets your dog.
I don't get how your dog is ok because you never let him out of your sight but theirs aren't no matter on lead or off.
Playing devils advocate...all but one of our 5 dogs are done.

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Do you really not get why they shouldn't avoid the park
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am finding it vey hard to understand why someone with a bitch in season would walk in the park at peak time - even if we take my dog out of the equation what about the numerous other un-castrated males stray or otherwise?

I do avoid places where I have met bitches in season for three week
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not sure why you think I don't. That's why am down to just one park and lead walks on the roads at the mo.
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And for ref - my dog doesn't run up to others unless I give him permission. And certainly not dogs on leads. The dogs I mention have come up to us and have been off lead.
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The benefits of neutering/spaying far outweigh the negatives.

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If we are talking male dogs - I disagree.
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Well we'll have to agree to disagree then. The only negatives are possible weight gain (if overfed) and the cosmetics. The health benefits are argueably more of a pro than a con.

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Cosmetics!!! Oh my god I cannot stand seeing a pair of danglies on a male dog. They either look ready to pop or they hand down like tennis balls in a sock YUK
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They are meant to have them you know
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that's the way they are made....
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Health benefit - I understand that it reduces risk of cancer (as if you have no balls you can't get cancer in them...) What other benefits are you talking about - health wise (not behavioural)?

Personally I would not want my dog castrated until it is physically mature and the hormones had finished doing their developmental/ growth thing - so about 18 months old. So therefore I wouldn't do mine for another 3 months even if I was planning ot get him done. But is personal choice
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Also I would prefer to keep his spark, coat condition, lean figure etc etc. And I know people will say dogs don't lose their spark, but some do... and I choose not to castrate my dog unless health or behaviour requires it, seems unnessessary to me, even though I would never breed from him, why should he lose his balls for my convenience.
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Right - gonna shut up about this now
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is an emotive subject that people have strong opinions on - and you all know mine now
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We'll agree to differ
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I have two unneutered male dogs, a GSD and a springer, but I never ever have any trouble with bitches in season, although they are regularly walked in dog areas. Perhaps I have been very lucky. I do think its mad that in season girlies should be off lead, what a daft thing to do, but if your own dog is under control you wont have a problem. Ps, I had a bitch and got her 'done' straight away. Its the bitches owner that will have to deal with the resulting pups, not the dogs, so to me its 'protect yourself, or deal with the consequenses' And keep your males close!!!
 
yes well we are all very reserved here in Suffolk, theres definately no tarting with strangers allowed. It upsets the population who are mostly the over 90's. lol. We wouldnt want the oldies tripping over their walking frames in shock lol.
You come to Suffolk through choice???? lol not really its nice here.
 
Only one answer - EVERYONE should keep their dogs on a lead, under control when NOT in the confines of their own property FULL STOP. There is a lead law of sorts in the UK. "Dogs must be kept under control in public places".

A dog is a dog - no matter how well YOU say you have YOUR dog (not leashed) under control in a public place. Male dog owner is just as much at fault as the bitches owner for letting THEIR entire male at large. Gorgeous, handsome normally very obedient macho Rex of course will want to make the aquaintance of the nearest (and not so near becuase they can smell a bitch in hear a long way off) bitch in season REGARDLESS of ever so <responsible owner of now NOT so obedient dog> hollering away for REX to come back and get his nose out of bitches butt.

A bitch is allowed to be shown at a Championship dog show in heat - in the UK / USA / Scandinavia / mainland Europe. And it is NOT problem to anyone, even on benching areas with studs present. WHY - because the dogs are leashed at all times, and under control.

If you really want to have see your dog run free either A: Get a place with your own space for it to run in. B: Join a reputable dog club that maybe does agility or similar and has facilities for dogs off the leash under supervision. C: Rent a paddock - many do to use as you wish to run your dog in D: WALK IT ON A LEAD - at least twice a day for a minimum of 30 minutes per time, brisk walk. E: If none of the previous appeal or are impossible (and I realise 2 of them are not within everyone's grasp) the DON'T have a dog if YOU cannot be bothered to be responsible for it's actions.

I am sick of reading stories about dog A attacking dog B while little fluffy (B) has leashed walk with responsible owner - only for owner of loose dog A say "oh , he / she is normally so well behaved and ALWAYS usually comes back, I don't know what got into him". Nature did deary.
 
Yeah....I'm not going for the leashed thing in parks..and I have fields for them to run in. The ones who need kept on a lead are, the ones who dont..arent!
 
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I can understand that some dogs are frightened of others and if I know a particular dog is very nervous then I would put my dogs on a lead, but I don't like the owners who have no idea if their dogs are nervous or not because they never let them socialise and put their dogs on the lead 'just in case'.

I would prefer to let the dogs do what comes naturally and let them sort out their nerves and differences, which sometimes means a nip and a growl here and there, learn from it, be well adjusted and able to play and interact when on walks in open spaces.
 
sorry but how do you know whether a strange dog is nervous or not? Both my terriers are nervous, I would lift them/put them on leads where necessary or even if I was walking my dog on the lead for any reason I do not expect to have other dogs come up to them unless I say ok to the other owner and extend the same courtesy.
How do you know that the dog you meet for the first time is put on the lead 'for the sake of it'??
I most certainly would be booting your dog off mine if it was nipping her! Even growling shouldn't happen.
At the end of the day, it is up to me if my dog can play/interact with others in the park, not you?
In saying that, I have rarely had a problem in local parks...
 
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sorry but how do you know whether a strange dog is nervous or not? Both my terriers are nervous, I would lift them/put them on leads where necessary or even if I was walking my dog on the lead for any reason I do not expect to have other dogs come up to them unless I say ok to the other owner and extend the same courtesy.
How do you know that the dog you meet for the first time is put on the lead 'for the sake of it'??
I most certainly would be booting your dog off mine if it was nipping her! Even growling shouldn't happen.
At the end of the day, it is up to me if my dog can play/interact with others in the park, not you?
In saying that, I have rarely had a problem in local parks...

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I totally agree with you OOTP!!! I really don't understand it when people put their dogs on a lead whenever they see another dog - if they are nervous then surely this just makes it worse?? If dogs do have a bit of a scuff is it really the end of the world? My dogs are always off the lead in parks etc. and TBH, aren't the best trained dogs in the world so they might go up to dogs on a lead, but I know mine wouldn't attack theirs and and I like to give my dogs a bit of responsibility in that if it is an aggressive dog which is likely to eat them, then they will come away!

Whoever said dogs should all be kept on a lead in public places - why???? I don't see why dogs can't just be dogs and sort things out between themselves!
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ETS - to reply to OP, I can see your frustration but I don't think you are really in a position to criticise bitch owners. You obviously really don't want him to have the snip, but it might be a lot easier and less hassle for you both if you did?
 
Why OOTP? Why should your dog terrify mine? What happens if my dog on the lead attacks yours and actualy does injury or yours fought back and injured mine?
I am shocked that anyone thinks it is ok to allow their dog to go up to strangers and if they fight dogs will be dogs!
(or that you would object to me intervening if your dog started nipping/growling at mine!)
 
It isn't acceptable though. Not where I live, not where I've ever lived. People where I live appear to be responsible dog owners and treat other dog owners with respect and that is to keep their dogs under control. If the dog is not well enough trained to remain at the side of their owner off leash, then it should be put straight on a leash the moment the owner sees someone else with a dog. It's simply good manners.
 
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I totally agree with you OOTP!!! I really don't understand it when people put their dogs on a lead whenever they see another dog - if they are nervous then surely this just makes it worse?? If dogs do have a bit of a scuff is it really the end of the world? My dogs are always off the lead in parks etc. and TBH, aren't the best trained dogs in the world so they might go up to dogs on a lead, but I know mine wouldn't attack theirs and and I like to give my dogs a bit of responsibility in that if it is an aggressive dog which is likely to eat them, then they will come away!



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My point totally!!! And note it's TripleSandH who's dogs have a problem with other dogs not mine which kind of confirms what I believe. Sorry to start a heated debate but it drives me crazy. I met a woman in a local park with a 9 month old retriever on a lead who was gagging to play with mine but she literally RAN the dog in the opposite direction. When I called out and said mine were fine with other dogs she replied 'she gets too excited and plays rough when she's off' Well of course she bleedin' does she was just dying to play with another dog! I like my dogs to be dogs.
 
You may like it, but clearly the other woman did not - you should respect her wishes don't you think? What gives you the right to decide what is best for her or her dog? Surely she knows her dog better than you do?

Your dogs have good recall, do they? They will come instantly when you call them? If so, then you have nothing to worry about as you won't offend anyone because your dogs will be by your side; if they don't have good recall, then playing with other dogs could be the least of their worries; they could end up dead.
 
ETS: Not worth it. I am gobsmacked by your attitude to the woman with the lab.
I think we can see where the majority stand.
 
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I do sort him out
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Not sure how the vet had sussed that one out, he's more likely to get worse as he reaches maturity because he'll suss out what it's for regardless of whether he's used at stud or not.

I personally don't understand why people struggle with entire males and bitches. I have 6 entire bitches and 2 entire males (as well as 2 spayed girlies and a castrated male) and they all live together and we never have any trouble when the bitches are in season and hae never had any accidental pregnancies.

I see your point about them being in the park at "peak" time, that is a bit foolish. At the same time though, in season or not, bitches still need exercising. Ok maybe on the lead would be better but then if your dog is loose it's going to make no difference to him whether or not the bitch is on a lead.
 
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