Feeding trolls and Christmas cheer

Festive Beastie1 said:
As for the clique thing, on this forum I have to say there is a clear divide, so before you shout troll I’ve been on here a rather long time,
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thats really interesting. I kind of pop on and off threads, but i wouldn't see a divide? I know I bashed heads with a lot of posters i really admire on the brexit thread, so I just assumed it was very fluid? Is it not a case of people seeming to gang up just because they have similar views? not an orchestrated thing. Like on the tension thread people basically said the same thing because it was a generally understood fact.
 
MrsJingle said:
For those of you who pm'd yesterday evening and the other day - I regret you feel completely unable to post openly on here what you have written to me privately but I do understand your reluctance as the H&H gaggle of harpies who feel they can veto and intimidate any forum members who dont fit neatly into their little box of who is 'in' and who is 'out' or type out simpering and sycophantic responses to any utter drivel they choose to post.
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You are lying. You dont have PMs from anyone other than yourself using other user names.

Rowreach said:
Oh yes, "something-boy", claimed he was an Irish traveller :D

ets Rileyboy?
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Yup, it was Rileyboy
 
A Mule In A Manager said:
If the person with the personality disorder doesn't know their behaviour is strange are they likely to look for treatment?
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That depends on the personality disorder. Mostly they present with anxiety or self harm because their behaviour causes the world to dislike them etc and their lives to not go smoothly - they usually think they are depressed - despite them treating people appallingly they don’t understand why everyone hates them (majorly oversimplified but you get the jist) but some (the true sociopaths and narcissists) may never present - they know they are right and everyone else is either wrong or they don’t care... these ones are often in prison or running ftse 100s or high level sports people... there is a massive range tbh
 
Leo Walker said:
You are lying. You dont have PMs from anyone other than yourself using other user names.



Yup, it was Rileyboy
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Can I just ask do you have access to this users account?? I mean you seem to jump on Mrs jingle at all opportunities???

You are like a dog with a bone to wards this poster, but then again I’ve noticed you tend to do that LW ;)
 
A Mule In A Manager said:
If the person with the personality disorder doesn't know their behaviour is strange are they likely to look for treatment?
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It is my understanding that many people with PD will not be aware that they have PD. It doesn't occur to them that they might or that their behaviour is upsetting for the people the manipulate. I tend towards a very negative view because the person I encountered with PD made my life a living hell for a time.... it may be that others are less problematic.

Probably x posting with soneone who knows what they are talking about...
 
Leo Walker said:
I dont need to have access to their multiple accounts. Easy enough to prove me wrong though isnt it :)
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So you say, I actually know who Mrs Jingle is in RL so let me just puncture your little illusion right here and now, tell me who the second account they are supposed to be and I’ll help and let you know if you are right :) Maybe then you can bury your bone and go find someone else to go nip at ;)
 
Those in secondary mental health services generally do know they have a PD diagnosis. They need to know because treatment options are usually discussed between prescriber and patient. The first line treatment is ‘talking therapies,’ not medication. Although some who also have depression or psychosis will be offered medication.
 
Snitch said:
Those in secondary mental health services generally do know they have a PD diagnosis. They need to know because treatment options are usually discussed between prescriber and patient. The first line treatment is ‘talking therapies,’ not medication. Although some who also have depression or psychosis will be offered medication.
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Yes but these are the exception rather than the rule... many never make it to secondary care
 
blitznbobs said:
That depends on the personality disorder. Mostly they present with anxiety or self harm because their behaviour causes the world to dislike them etc and their lives to not go smoothly - they usually think they are depressed - despite them treating people appallingly they don’t understand why everyone hates them (majorly oversimplified but you get the jist) but some (the true sociopaths and narcissists) may never present - they know they are right and everyone else is either wrong or they don’t care... these ones are often in prison or running ftse 100s or high level sports people... there is a massive range tbh
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Snitch said:
Those in secondary mental health services generally do know they have a PD diagnosis. They need to know because treatment options are usually discussed between prescriber and patient. The first line treatment is ‘talking therapies,’ not medication. Although some who also have depression or psychosis will be offered medication.
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blitznbobs said:
Yes but these are the exception rather than the rule... many never make it to secondary care
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And because only a psychiatrist can diagnose mental illness, if the talking therapy is carried out by a psychologist they wouldn't get a medical diagnoses? Am I right?
 
My delightful pal had a diagnosis (was very much a cry wolf suicide type so was in contact with services regularly) and was having therapy but tended to twist what had been advised/discussed in therapy as a manipulative tool rather than anything else. "My therapist says you have to...." "My therapist says it's my mother's fault" (cue treating her mother like poop) etc etc. I'm not sure it was helping! She was constantly doing stupid and dangerous things and telling tall tales. She would be sneakily horrid to one person and beautifully nice to another and play them against each other.

Fun times.

I'm much more careful about who gets a sympathetic ear these days! Which is kind of sad.
 
I did an undergraduate psychology degree many years ago. Everything we learned was theoretical rather than practical and I didn't do a post grad but I still find it interesting.
 
PapaverFollis said:
My delightful pal had a diagnosis (was very much a cry wolf suicide type so was in contact with services regularly) and was having therapy but tended to twist what had been advised/discussed in therapy as a manipulative tool rather than anything else. "My therapist says you have to...." "My therapist says it's my mother's fault" (cue treating her mother like poop) etc etc. I'm not sure it was helping! She was constantly doing stupid and dangerous things and telling tall tales. She would be sneakily horrid to one person and beautifully nice to another and play them against each other.

Fun times.

I'm much more careful about who gets a sympathetic ear these days! Which is kind of sad.
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It is sad, but that sort of experience is bound to make a person wary. I'd say it's inevitable.
 
PapaverFollis said:
My delightful pal had a diagnosis (was very much a cry wolf suicide type so was in contact with services regularly) and was having therapy but tended to twist what had been advised/discussed in therapy as a manipulative tool rather than anything else. "My therapist says you have to...." "My therapist says it's my mother's fault" (cue treating her mother like poop) etc etc. I'm not sure it was helping! She was constantly doing stupid and dangerous things and telling tall tales. She would be sneakily horrid to one person and beautifully nice to another and play them against each other.

Fun times.

I'm much more careful about who gets a sympathetic ear these days! Which is kind of sad.
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And what you describe needs very careful management by mental health professionals, to address the behaviours and minimise the damage these people do to themselves and others.
 
Having grown up in a family with two narcissisitic family members I remember the best advice a counsellor gave to me was to carry on as i saw fit, and to understand that while their feeling were real to them, they weren't reality. That was a total lightbulb moment for me, because I really believed them must be right in what they thought, because they felt so strongly about it.
 
Right having read that thread (mostly) I have to say some people have not represented themselves well at all.

Yes the OP may have been a bit ridiculous but did you really have to do what was done? The thread could have been left to die off and then that would have been the end of it.

770 posts nearly of quite frankly horrible human behaviour at times from all sides.
 
Festive Beastie1 said:
Right having read that thread (mostly) I have to say some people have not represented themselves well at all.

Yes the OP may have been a bit ridiculous but did you really have to do what was done? The thread could have been left to die off and then that would have been the end of it.

770 posts nearly of quite frankly horrible human behaviour at times from all sides.
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Your taking this way too seriously .
This a thread about trolls and Christmas it’s doing what it said on the
Tin .
If your not enjoying yourself just use the off button .
 
Goldenstar said:
Your taking this way too seriously .
This a thread about trolls and Christmas it’s doing what it said on the
Tin .
If your not enjoying yourself just use the off button .
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No it’s not, it’s a thread about other threads, people are allowed to speculate on posters states of mind yes? Currently the discussion is on personality disorders and mental illness so not currently on trolls?

Also as I was just informed there is no forum police to speak of, so speaking your mind is perfectly acceptable and I spoke mine, a lot more politely than some have mind you.

I read quite a lot of that thread and more people were acting trollish (is that a correct term?) than just the OP, so does that make it a perfectly acceptable reply to a thread apparently about trolls? ;)
 
Festive Beastie1 said:
So you say, I actually know who Mrs Jingle is in RL so let me just puncture your little illusion right here and now, tell me who the second account they are supposed to be and I’ll help and let you know if you are right :) Maybe then you can bury your bone and go find someone else to go nip at ;)
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Oh lovey, I know you do ;) But we dont need your input at this stage. Someone else already checked the IP addresses so any doubt has been put to bed. Thanks for offering though, very kind, much appreciated :) Would you like a headscarf?
 
i don't think that thread descended to messing until it was apparent the OP was a troll. Personally I felt pissed off wasting my type trying to write useful posts from how i coped with that issue in my own horses. You just feel kind of stupid for being so gullible in trying to be helpful. So I have no issue in posting about head scarves and joke posts on it.
 
Festive Beastie1 said:
No it’s not, it’s a thread about other threads, people are allowed to speculate on posters states of mind yes? Currently the discussion is on personality disorders and mental illness so not currently on trolls?

Also as I was just informed there is no forum police to speak of, so speaking your mind is perfectly acceptable and I spoke mine, a lot more politely than some have mind you.

I read quite a lot of that thread and more people were acting trollish (is that a correct term?) than just the OP, so does that make it a perfectly acceptable reply to a thread apparently about trolls? ;)
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If you do not like the way a thread is going, perhaps there are a few things you can do, 1) not open the thread again 2)try and change the direction of the thread, 3)join in anyway. I do think that those posters who threaten other forum members are a bit below the belt.
 
Leo Walker said:
Oh lovey, I know you do ;) But we dont need your input at this stage. Someone else already checked the IP addresses so any doubt has been put to bed. Thanks for offering though, very kind, much appreciated :) Would you like a headscarf?
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oh really? So how exactly have you done this? From a friend working in IT sitting right next to me, tracking IP addresses you would have to have quite invasive software to do this, so can I ask have you thought of the legality of what you have been doing??

No you can keep your headscarf I tend to prefer to work alone, less watching my back I’ve found ;)
 
On the forum you are only in charge of what you write yourself .
You can post whatever you like but you risk a ban if you behave nastily
But you have to see the irony in saying that others should not have been posting
This lot are playing at being in a clique no harm in playing
 
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