Feeling anxious and uneasy......is it me or is this all a bit odd?

Followed this thread with interest.

OP please find a suitable livery near to you. The people are taking the "Pee"!! They wanted a horse for half term and they got one.... Now your offering them to have a horse for free or even to pay them! They've struck gold in their eyes.

For your horse's sake get him back and cared for by someone who at least cares and wants the best for him.
 
Sorry if it's already been said, but if the contract states that he can only be returned if unsuitable, then surely they are in breach of the contract? I would charge them advertising fees, full fees for transport and horse hire for two weeks for breach of contract and wasted time on your part. Really angers me when these things happen.
 
Always-Riding said:
Followed this thread with interest.

OP please find a suitable livery near to you. The people are taking the "Pee"!! They wanted a horse for half term and they got one.... Now your offering them to have a horse for free or even to pay them! They've struck gold in their eyes.

For your horse's sake get him back and cared for by someone who at least cares and wants the best for him.
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Since they've now explained that a member of the family lost her job unexpectedly last week, they may have been genuine buyers. Changes in circumstances can happen, even during a trial period.

I can't see the practicality of selling him from somewhere an hour's drive away though, even if they agree.
 
Amy567 said:
Sorry if it's already been said, but if the contract states that he can only be returned if unsuitable, then surely they are in breach of the contract? I would charge them advertising fees, full fees for transport and horse hire for two weeks for breach of contract and wasted time on your part. Really angers me when these things happen.
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You might as well try and plait fog as try and hold them to a 'contract'.
 
amymay said:
OK, and breath.

Your loan horse can go back - whilst you have your horse back.

Frustrating, but not the end of the world.
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amymay said:
Personally, no - I wouldn't.

I'd simply spend the rest of the day arranging transport - and then text them the time you will be arriving.
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Perfect_Pirouette said:
Okay so throwing this thread off on another tangent here because quite frankly I need some help.

IF your horse had been on 6 different yards in the past year (a few of them being to previous owner too) was 13 and had health issues. WOULD you, yes or no, risk him going to yet another new place?

I would not do PTS lightly. But I am terrified of him ending up in the wrong hands or being passed from pillar to post and surely PTS is a better fate than that?!
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laura-c said:
I may get shot down for this, but I think you are feeling more sorry for yourself than the horse at this moment. You complain about not being able to afford the two, and your reluctance to send your loan horse back in this situation, even though you can, speaks volumes. I can understand you making excuses for putting your horse to sleep e.g. him being passed from pillar to post, not coping, fear of him being mistreated (I can relate - I have recently had my mare PTS after 18months of her being field sound. I toyed with the idea for a year before she was kicked in the field and the decision was made for me -horrible to say, and as upsetting as it was, it was a relief) however I think if you were honest with yourself, you know that the horse could and can have a good quality of life, you just need to find that home for him. I think deep down that you feel it is an inconvenience to you to have him back which throws a spanner in the works with your new horse, and it is easier to make excuses in favour of him being put to sleep in order to get yourself out of the mess you are currently in.

I may be totally off the mark, but that is how it comes across to me. I am not trying to be gripey at all - I know some posts on here can be rude and I'm not trying to be at all - It's just the way this comes across to me.
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Kat said:
Wow PP just re read what you have put there!

It sounds worryingly like you are tired so would rather have your horse destroyed than have the hassle of re advertising or having to send your loan horse back!

I hope that was just bad wording due to your frustration at the situation!
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Agree with everything above... Send loan horse back, your priority is the horse you own. I do feel for you and your horse but personally I would take a dim view of someone who PTS their own horse and keeps their loan horse in this situation, hopefully you can find a new home for your horse but choosing a loan over your own... Not something that would ever sit well with me.

I really hope this all works out for you op.
 
PoppyAnderson said:
You might as well try and plait fog as try and hold them to a 'contract'.
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I agree. Very few contracts stand up, and who would want to go through the hassle and expense of trying to take it to court, which would take ages and you could lose?

In the end, most things are largely trust. They don't want the horse after all. Annoying and disappointing, but it was a trial.
 
Queenbee said:
Agree with everything above... Send loan horse back, your priority is the horse you own. I do feel for you and your horse but personally I would take a dim view of someone who PTS their own horse and keeps their loan horse in this situation, hopefully you can find a new home for your horse but choosing a loan over your own... Not something that would ever sit well with me.

I really hope this all works out for you op.
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this ^^

im in the "there are fates worse than death" camp....however in this situation that is purely convenient to you selfish reason to pts.....

loan out or re-sell him

and for god's sake bring him back home....


you are being walked all over ....! free horse for half term, you pay them (wf?!) to keep him......

:confused:
 
Haven't read whole thread but get your horse back now and return loan horse if needs be.
People only take the pee for as long as they are allowed to. You should be the one running the show,you're the owner!!
 
He is staying until the weekend, I am going up tomorrow eve to see him.

I have advertised him locally and have had a fair amount of reponse. IF I can try and sell him from theirs before the weekend then I will as I don't really want to bring him home again, for him to then go again. It's more upheavel for him.

I chatted with the mother tonight, she said she understood they've messed me around, apologised and said that he can stay for another week or whatever if I need.

If I can't find him a new home in the next week then I have found some cheap(ish) grass livery for him with some off-road and quiet road riding so will get them to bring him there.
 
PP, I do sympathise with your situation.

But I have to say, this poor animal is being treated pretty shoddily.
 
noodle_ said:
im in the "there are fates worse than death" camp....however in this situation that is purely convenient to you selfish reason to pts.....
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PP did state that she would ONLY put him to sleep if the last option was to move him around again, poor horse would have to move back to pp's yard, then somewhere else if she decided to keep him, or if she wanted facilities for potential buyers, then he would have to move again to new home, which would not 100% be life long anyway.

it does sound like you love this horse a lot PP so at the end of the day do whatever YOU feel is best
 
Perfect_Pirouette said:
Okay so throwing this thread off on another tangent here because quite frankly I need some help.

IF your horse had been on 6 different yards in the past year (a few of them being to previous owner too) was 13 and had health issues. WOULD you, yes or no, risk him going to yet another new place?

I would not do PTS lightly. But I am terrified of him ending up in the wrong hands or being passed from pillar to post and surely PTS is a better fate than that?!
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i have not read the posts that follow the above, but yes i would move a horse around i don't get the big issue with it. if a horse competes and stays at a venue over night it is essentially moved to a 'new yard' for a night, if you do a long distance ride from a to b your horse may have many 'new yards' in a week.

he is 13 not 30, and can do light work if i understand correctly? he is also a gentleman who never puts a 'foot wrong'?

you chose to take on a horse on loan before you had sold the one you had, you are as guilty as the people who had your horse for 2 weeks as you could not guarantee you could take on the loan horse long term but have taken it anyway
 
No he isn't. He is staying with them until the weekend, I am going to see him tomorrow and check he's okay. After the weekend, if I haven't found a good home for him he will be coming back with me to some grass livery. What more do you want?? Do NOT tell me what I can and cannot do with my horse. I cannot win on this forum, I get angry, upset and stressed earlier and say perhaps PTS would be best rather than him be shipped from pillar to post, I get ripped to shreds. I am now saying that I have re-advertised him (which EVERYONE has told me to do) and have had a lot of interest and will hopefully find him a good home in thenext week but until then is staying where he is as despite everything I know they wouldn't mistreat him, I can visit him every evening, have suitable facilities for any potential new buyers to hack him out and it MAY mean he doesn't have to be brought from pillar to post. IF by the end of the weekend I haven't been able to find him a suitable home, he is coming back with me to grass livery. I'm sorry, apart from demanding my horse come back to me this evening I fail to see how he is being shoddily treated? If I thought for one minute his welfare was at risk or if I go and see him tomorrow and he is NOT in a well cared for state then I will tell them to immediately load him and bring him to the grass livery. I am just trying to minise shunting him around anymore.
 
risky_business said:
Sadly I agree with AmyMay. The horse seems an inconvience to you and you would rather rush a sale then look for the right home.

Your horse should be the priority, not the loan horse you don't share. I understand you wish to compete, but having looked back through past posts you clearly loved this gelding. Do what is right by him, not you.
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I HAVE JUST TURNED DOWN TWO BUYERS OFFERING A QUICK SALE AND GOOD HOME WITHIN THE LAST HOUR BECAUSE I DIDN'T FEEL THEY WOULD BE THE RIGHT HOME FOR HIM- DO NOT TELL ME I AM RUSHING A SALE RATHER THAN FIND THE RIGHT HOME FOR MY HORSE.
 
OP people were very supportive of you until you said you would put your horse to sleep, who has no major health issues and could live a very happy life with someone, as you would prefer to keep your loan horse and can only afford one. there is no point getting angry with people now, if you don't like what is being said it is just as easy to walk away from the thread than have a go at the very people who tried to help you out yesterday.
 
HBM1 said:
OP people were very supportive of you until you said you would put your horse to sleep, who has no major health issues and could live a very happy life with someone, as you would prefer to keep your loan horse and can only afford one. there is no point getting angry with people now, if you don't like what is being said it is just as easy to walk away from the thread than have a go at the very people who tried to help you out yesterday.
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That is NOT what I said and if it came across that way then that is not what I meant or how I meant it to come across.

I would never PTS so I could 'have another horse' I mentioed PTS and as usual, people on here JUMPED on it like a pack of hyenas and will not let it blo ody go!!!!!! I was upset and steseed and fed up.

I NEVER said that would be my reason for PTS.
 
Quite frankly I don't care. I have had an absolute gutful today and people on here who dont know me from Adam accusing me of negligence and not giving a damn about my horse because I haven't done things the EXACT way they would have done them is ridiculous. And hurtful and I'm sorry but people saying what the hell they want and not expecting any kind of come back or me to defend myself is totally unrealistic.
 
risky_business said:
Sadly I agree with AmyMay. The horse seems an inconvience to you and you would rather rush a sale then look for the right home.

Your horse should be the priority, not the loan horse you don't share. I understand you wish to compete, but having looked back through past posts you clearly loved this gelding. Do what is right by him, not you.
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i dont think she comes across like that at all and thinking you're judging her a little too harshly tbh.

i dont think there's anything wrong with having a horse pts if you cant guarantee its future, its vulnerable or its future looks doubtful. its a hard decision to make and when made for the right reasons, a brave one.
 
I'm not arguing anymore.

I haven't been rude to anyone on here, I haven't name called etc. I have been open and honest and I'm sorry if people don't agree with everything that I have said but at the end of the day, it is my life, he is my horse and I will take the course of action that I think is best for him at the moment.
 
risky_business said:
I am afraid if you put your life on the Internet, expect it to be scrutinised.

I am sure the 'loaners' are aware of this post too.
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why are you sure>?

i dont think she quite did put her whole life out there to be judged and scrutinised tbh.

The OP has obviously had a bad day and has thought or written as ideas have occurred to her. Maybe not the smartest thing to do as people dont let you forget things you say that might not be the wisest and for that reason i suggest you might like to give the OP a break.
 
Perfect_Pirouette said:
That is NOT what I said and if it came across that way then that is not what I meant or how I meant it to come across.

I would never PTS so I could 'have another horse' I mentioed PTS and as usual, people on here JUMPED on it like a pack of hyenas and will not let it blo ody go!!!!!! I was upset and steseed and fed up.

I NEVER said that would be my reason for PTS.
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Op, I agree with the next post you posted, you have had a gut full today and the potential buyers have treated you and your horse really badly IMO. This is obviously heightening your feelings especially tonight. Sadly, what you did say is:

You are considering PTS
You will not send your loan horse home
Your horse has been in six different homes recently... Surely that is down to you, ultimately his security is your responsibility.

Bottom line in my opinion is that if you put down a horse you could have sold on as rideable and keep your loan horse (no matter how super loan horse is) you are choosing a loan horse over your horse and pretty much disposing your of your horse because its an inconvenience to keep, a difficulty to rehome and doesn't do what you want... Not because its knackered.


As I said before I really hope you do not go down this road.
 
I think OP has had the mother of all bad days, stuck in work and worried, so it's no surprise she's biting to people who are suggesting she's considered PTS as the horse doesn't suit her. OP the horse is safe, sleep on it and start tomorrow with a fresh head.
 
Perfect_Pirouette said:
That is NOT what I said and if it came across that way then that is not what I meant or how I meant it to come across.

I would never PTS so I could 'have another horse' I mentioed PTS and as usual, people on here JUMPED on it like a pack of hyenas and will not let it blo ody go!!!!!! I was upset and steseed and fed up.

I NEVER said that would be my reason for PTS.
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horsesatemymoney said:
I think OP has had the mother of all bad days, stuck in work and worried, so it's no surprise she's biting to people who are suggesting she's considered PTS as the horse doesn't suit her. OP the horse is safe, sleep on it and start tomorrow with a fresh head.
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Agree... This was what I meant to say at the end of my previous post... Completely forgot to!
 
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