FEI descision on AT is in..

PW.

I looked at the clip and the whole ride at least 10 times, payed the $8.

LS never made a straight stride after he cripled, not one balanced and clean stride. He perked up a little when he had the jump in front of him. Landed and nearly had the leg collaps and than wobbelt across the finish line. The moment AT quit pushing him, across the line he stoped. She pushed him across the line and he was dead lame.
She never pulled him up, she quit riding the moment they were across the line and the horse stoped.

The only ones that got it right were the FEI Vets. read their statements and they were brushed aside, by the OCs and Green.

What was she thinking, why would she ride a cripled horse towards a jump, risking her live.

If you look at the whole ride, you will see how LS starts to tiere and was hitting the wall, he was galloping flat and on a long rein, so she did what we all do, push and push them through that dead spot and than they get their second wind and go again. But he did not respond because he was truly out of gas and thats when she used the whip after the jump, at one third of the final jumps, according to the $8 show. He wanted to quit and she used the whip.

A friend of mine is a shrink and he looked over the whole video and came to the conclusion that she knew that something very serious had happened but was not willing to accept it. He calls it denial of defeat, but what he said to, it is a very concious decision when you take the first step.
He gave me a very good example, motor racer ( he works a lot with them ). They feel somethings wrong with the car minor vibration, so just a few laps left, so they make the decision to push on and reavaluate the problem the next lap. They do that lap after lap, push the decision always to the next lap, even if the vibration have goten so bad that they can hardly see and finally the car breaks and they fly of the road.
For Eventing it means, that the verdict of the FEI abuse and its resulting punishment is so minimal that it will not deter riders to think twice.
Maybe the result of ATs ride will make people more careful and think twice.

One more little example from the WEGs, B. Hoy basicly gave away a medal in X-C. In her post ride interview she stated, that she felt her horse tiere at the last third, she took him back and rode the options, if you look at the results, it cost her a individual medal.
It is a decision we make in X-C and most of us have made the right decision.
 
One thing that was interesting, is that all the people like CMP for example, who said that in their eyes AT had done nothing wrong, are now looking pretty stupid. The length of the ban is irrelevant - the fact is that the governing body (against quite a lot of professional support) decided that she HAD done something wrong. I agree that the ban is in no way long enough for what happened, but she has been found GUILTY and this is something she will have to carry round with her for the rest of her life.

And people like CMP and other supporters should be less vociferous in their defence next time. They looks almost as bad as AT does now. And perhaps they understand that their voices are not quite as influential as they thought.
 
She is trying to save her skin, and has succeeded.
I think that is wrong, and she should be made an example of.
I like the idea of lobbying her sponsors.
What it really needs is the riders to express disgust, and object to her coming over here.
I doubt it will happen tho'.
 
That's a very interesting point. I actually think they were tied almost and couldn't give her a longer suspension as they couldn't prove intent and that makes a difference. I think this is something that the FEI need to look at otherwise what is the point in having rules to protect the welfare of the horse.
 
2 MONTHS!!!!! ARE YOU JOKING ME???!!!!!
What a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What kind of an example does this set to others!!!! Ugh i just cannot put into words my pure FURY!!!! Well I for one will NOT welcome Miss Tryon competing and if she dares to compete in the UK then I will be there ( no doubt with a load of hhoers) making sure she knows she is not welcome.
Lets just hope that this means she will lose owners and rides, and that by not being made welcome anywhere other than US she will be forced to discontinue.
I'm utterly appalled with the FEI's decision - makes a mockery of our sport!
 
After reading the result, I must say that I am not shocked by the penalty imposed. Not because I thought that penalty correct but more I knew that the FEI wouldn't have the balls to go through with anything more harsher.

Should she compete where I am a spectator or a competitor she won't be receiving any leniency from me....Tell her to stay in the USA.
 
totally agree - WHAT A WHITE WASH

PLEASE can someone in the USA do something in regard to the equivalent to the UK Animal Welfare Act 2006 and get this woman properly punished.

All I can say is god help her if she ever dares to show her face again in the UK - I'll be at the ringside boohing
 
I would love to read the report but cant get adobe acrobat to download to computer so cant read Pdf files! Is there anyone who is willing to copy it into a word document and email it to me?

PM me if you can help!

I really want to read it.

Thanx!!
DM
 
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I'm going to stick my neck on the chopping board and say I agree with that sentiment. I've seen the Kentucky video before you all start barbecuing me, and I can see why AT would have thought it was an equipment malfunction rather than a "broken leg"
I've been watching equestrian sport most of my life (I'm 42) and I've seen some fugly things happen to horses on cross country courses, and seen the rider get back on a carry on riding round the rest of the course (in the days before you were eliminated for a fall).
I remember watching a top international rider and horse turn a somersault at a jump and he got up and carried on despite the fact that the horse could've broken it's pelvis,
Numerous "nose dives" where the horse's face hit the ground - which could've broken it's neck - and they carried on.
I've seen a horse tread on it's overreach boot mid-way through a combination fence and the rider start thrashing with their whip because they thought the horse was refusing - no thought given to "oh has the horse hurt itself and is trying to stop?" just get over the jump
Plus the incident I mentioned elsewhere where a horse cracked his head -hard- on the second part of a bounce fence, and despite the fact that there was blood gushing from the horse's nose the rider rode on...

I've looked closely at the Kentucky video, yes Le Samurai stumbles, yes he trots awkwardly for a few strides, and I can imagine; given the undulation of the ground; that any rider might have thought "he's lost his balance" and was running on his forehand for a few strides, I can see the horse pricking his ears when he sees the jump, I can see him pop over and land using all 4 of his legs.

On the run-in he starts to seriously loose his action, and the rider pulls up and dismounts, she looks around for her ground staff to come help - she does not slap, or hit the horse, or fiddle with the tack before stomping off in the huff because the horse had ruined her chance of winning.

The general opinion around here seems to be that she forced Le Samurai to carry on knowing full well that he'd suffered a fatal injury because she was determined to win. How the feck was she supposed to compete in the following day's showjumping on a dead, or 3 legged horse anyways...?

As an aside, if I was one of those animal rights activists who wants equine sports banned I'd be rubbing my hands in glee at the reactions on this board to what happened at Kentucky; a few mis-quotes and out of context references will go a long way to help their "cause" in the eyes of the non-horsey...
hells bells if the H&H set think this woman should have been hung, drawn and quartered for riding her horse in a competition... now where did I leave my pitchfork and flaming torch?? Ah they're rallying at Bandminton to protest *jump on bandwaggon*

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Hmmm quite thought provoking....

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Oh and if you're intending to scream abuse at me for expressing my opinion which is in conflict with yours, and we all know it's against all laws to have an opinion that isn't in keeping with the majority... my email addy is
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Oh dear. Now you're just acting like a knob
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Ive trawled my way through the 30 pages. The FEI have basicaly ignored most of the 'pro' advice and tesitmony against AT.

Guilty of abuse yes but punished .... no, not really. Whats the point of a governing body if it has no balls???
 
you are not wrong diesel and i am going to email him right now and say so.
And my thoughts are this;
the oconnors, Philllip dutton and Mrs green should be ashamed of getting involved in any way which appeared to defend AT, Christian Landholt got that right, there is no way a rider of her experience could NOT have known something serious was happening a point echoed by wayne and barry rycroft and some of the vet statements.
Am now living in lexington and have had access to the video of the whole event and the horse was clearly tired well before the incident. Though not exhausted, AT was having to ride LS quite hard alreadyand must have been aware as any pony clubber would be that tired horses lose their action and are more prone to injury. Consequently all this logical disussion about boots or shoes being lost is rubbish because when his action went so badly you would have at least stooped and checked, anty of the spectators would have told you what you needed to know and you would barely have lost a few seconds. turning a circle to get going again would have cost her nothing but time if all ok.
as someone else said, AT's statement that she did not know where finish was is rubbish all riders at that level have walked wheeled and watched the course like hawks since the wednesday so if she is lying there probably lying elsewhere too.
I agree that the fine and suspension not enough but also with LEC as AT will find that the loss of her reputation will cost her much more in the end. And i am in a good position to know about the loss of reputation so dont worry she will get her come-uppace in the end.
 
Utter utter bloody disgrace. On her 'apology' she thanked the hundreds of wellwishers!!! What about the THOUSANDS against her. Funnily enough I decided to point this out to her...on the news bit you can send an email requesting updates from her...I sent one suggesting she lets everyone know next time she intends to kill a horse... also advised her she wont be welcome in the uk... perhaps a few more from the likes of HHO will send her a good message!!!
 
Funny how she only apologises AFTER she has been found guilty.

Also believe there are parts on the reports she has clearly lied [as in where she says she tries to pull him up for some time at the end, utter rubbish] so I have no doubt she has fictionalised where it suits her.
 
Yes and how false an apology it is...probably written by her PR people and just signed her name to it. Ive not read the whole report as it was too large, but the fact she managed to get off so lightly shows how much imagination she used when giving evidence.
 
I can't answer for how Amy Tyron is feeling. I do think (sorry for being a cynic!) that the only reason that she had to appear before the FEI at all is because of the video going on youtube! THAT is what is going to make people MORE AWARE. In public at least. Now all e need is someone to go round the back of the showjumping/eventing places and film there.
 
Having re read the judgement though I have to say that in all fairness Amy Tyron was probably VERY focused at that stage to get to the end.It will be the way she has been trained mentally as well as anything else.The judgement that she was negligent but not intentionally cruel was proably right. If she had KNOWINGLY got on a lame horse at the beginning of the course, determined to ride anyway, for instance, then it would be a different situation.Competition at this level (and several levels below it) see winning as the only thing. This is nothing to do with pleasue, or enjoying your horse or anything else.I still think that a longer suspension and bigger fine should have been imposed however, because it might change the focus slightly of the trainers/riders so that consideration of the horse is higher on their list of priorities. Something like that and public protest is the only way.
 
She may have been focused to get to the end, but I still think she should have realised what was happening underneath her. How isnt focused at that level??
Not read the report however and obviously she did enough to convince the powers that be. In view of the public opinion thats been shown however, a stiffer sentance of at least 6 months should have been given to show that these matters are taken seriously, whatever the excuses given.
 
I am not trying to defend what happened to the horse, it was inexcusable but I don't think she is the only one that should be in the dock. I have seen ponies and childreb BEATEN and I mean the word BEATEN if they don't get results. The mind set that gives along with sports psychology (which can be helpful but also destructive) can lead to situations like this.
 
I like the idea expressed above of boycotting products from her sponsors in protest - anyone got a list of her sponsors ?

I'll also be boycotting any clinics given by Ms. Green or Capn. Phillips (or lecture demos, etc)

I also feel that if the O'Connors show their face in the UK they also ought to be made aware that their support of AT was well out of order
 
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Oh, interesting, interesting, interesting. Never bite the hand that feeds. They may do well to remember that spectators pay for the sport. No spectators, no sport, no FEI.
 
and as someone else pointed out - sponsors pay for the sport

so if we stop buying from the companies that sponsor AT......plus not buying tickets for clinics or demos from Lucinda or MP or the O'Connors....
 
It's quite amazing actually. The more I think about it the more I feel that this is a real closing of ranks.

Yes, a boycott of sponsor companies could be a good way forward. Boycotting clinics by CMP and LG also a great idea. Lucinda was my hero as a child
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Never had much time for CMP though.

However, a campaign to keep this in the media is probably a better way forward.
 
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