Flying change inconsistency

I'm not commenting on these ignorant and nasty replies anymore. I actually have a LIFE!!! My O/H actually suggested taking a video last night as he looked so well and posting it on here, but I know if you look really, really, really closesly there is bound to be something you can find, the tiniest bit of stiffness maybe that nobody else other than the vultures on this forum would notice. So I know I will get 'picked apart' for that, that is why I don't bother doing this. I also don't feel why I have to justify myself to a load of nasty posters.[/QUOTE]


So why do you start threads then ?
 
I think PS was suggesting CS was not comparable to bailey as he had no sign of injury or lameness issues, Bailey has had both.

I've said before Frank isn't 'right' but it is age related stiffness/arthritis whose exact nature and location remains undiagnosed because myself and vet agreed we wouldn't be injecting any specific joints for him atm. I would happily post a before and after warm up video on here because people would see what I see if they picked him apart but am happy with what he does (as is the vet) and so is he so there wouldn't be any reason to post about it. If you are confident about what you are doing with your horse there isn't really any reason to worry about what anyone else thinks in real life or on a forum.
 
yes well done ester-Bailey has been diagnosed with several issues, CS had no such issues diagnosed.

im really honestly not sure what the issue with all these rearing horses is? whoever it is(they either dont exist or are feeding you a load of tosh) will only ever have seen CS read because none of the other 3 do? the mare i had before CS did rear(we are going back 6/7 years now) but also used to bronc, lie down and run in to things and died of a brain tumour.

before that i had a big warmblood who didnt really enjoy dressage and went off to do PC stuff. Before that I had Bruce and a SJ bred mare who fell over in the field, injured her neck and went off to hack.

so where are all these mystery rearing horses?

i cant see pics at work computer so no idea if you have posted it already but if not-please post the pic showing me teaching you? not in the background(aka teaching someone else) but actually interacting with you. Its possible, as i dont remember every person i teach at every clinic but i think i would remember you :)

shoulder is really actually very good. Im mucking out, sweeping, rugging, can carry small buckets of water and about half a bag of feed. Aiming to back on clients horses for 20mins at a time end of next week :)
 
I can't comment on Applecart or Bailey as I don't know either and to the best of my knowledge have never seen them.

My only comment is that one of my horses has a very natural - and good quality - change when jumping, cantering loose in the field or when she decides that counter canter is too much hard work! When it came to teaching her 'dressage' changes she had a whole repetoire of tricks - changing late behind, going disunited, going before the aid, going after the aid, changing short behind, hopping behind, etc. I think most of it was stress related but we didn't make an issue of it popped a couple in now and again but just tried to ensure to keep the quality in the canter. The person who taught her changes competes at Inter 1 and has plenty of experience teaching changes to a horse. There are various exercises which can help and different exercises work for different horses but your instructor would be best placed to select the appropriate exercise.

My mare is being aimed at GP so she needed to learn changes but another of my horses is not going to complete above medium so the fact that he changes easily on one rein but not the other is not an issue. He changes fine when jumping when he is off the bridle and from a young horse was perfectly happy to canter round disunited with no desire to change.
 
KautoStar1 said:
earlier this morning you said he jumped last night, but now its 4 weeks ago. So which is it ?
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For goodness sake. I meant competetively. He last jumped at Onley Grounds doing a 2ft 6 course that was up to 2ft 9 in the second part. We came 5th out of 35 in the class. It was his first time out since February (since his initial injury). this was AFTER the vet has passed him fit to jump.

Admittedly we did have to hand back our rosette when the organisers found I'd stuffed a stick of dynamite up his arse to make him go round the course (because he was in so much pain) but at least we were fast in the jump off :)
 
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KautoStar1 said:
I'm not commenting on these ignorant and nasty replies anymore. I actually have a LIFE!!! My O/H actually suggested taking a video last night as he looked so well and posting it on here, but I know if you look really, really, really closesly there is bound to be something you can find, the tiniest bit of stiffness maybe that nobody else other than the vultures on this forum would notice. So I know I will get 'picked apart' for that, that is why I don't bother doing this. I also don't feel why I have to justify myself to a load of nasty posters.
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So why do you start threads then ?[/QUOTE]

FFS!!!! - to ask advice about flying changes!! Not to be slated to death. READ MY OP. It was a tongue in cheek 'my horse does this....scenario'. It was a simple straight forward question and I think I remember asking at the very start does anyone else's horse find it easier to do changes when there are jumps in the school as opposed to when there are not jumps in the school. I gave lots of examples when he would do changes, and lots of examples of when he wouldn't do changes. Incidently he changes in the field, when out hacking. What can people read it to that I wonder? Answers on the back of a postcard please.

Why don't you just bring back hanging and be done with it.....
Do I have to put the disclaimer 'no nasty, uncessesary, rude, thoughtless, ignorant, or silly replies' on all my posts in future? I thought it was just common sense that people wouldn't turn such an innocent question into a witch hunt.

What is the matter with people????
 
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Prince33Sp4rkle said:
yes well done ester-Bailey has been diagnosed with several issues, CS had no such issues diagnosed.
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Oh please pass me the sick bucket. Now I know how a deer feels being stalked by a pack of hyenas. :)

Princess Sparkle I have sent you a PM. up to you if you want to take me up on it.
 
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OP I actually feel quite sorry for you reading this thread, use your energy to get shopping for a good trainer and work with them and your vet to improve your schooling work at home, build yourself a trusted team, if you want to post a video I am sure there will be lots of helpful replies on what the next steps are and why you might be having the difficulty you are. Good luck with your horse either way x
 
Back to changes
Straightness by that I mean the lack of it is the main reason horses struggle more with one change than the other .
A horse that's consistent in the counter canter , straight in both canter walk transitions , is easy to ride into the collection and will let you change flexion easily and subtly and evenly both ways will do a change with out difficultly.
Changes are about good correct basics .
 
Just a thought. You said you have his saddle checked once a year. Maybe worth getting it done again (if not recent) ? Could be pinching on one side making it uncomfortable for him? Something to rule out perhaps
 
applecart14 said:
For goodness sake. I meant competetively. He last jumped at Onley Grounds doing a 2ft 6 course that was up to 2ft 9 in the second part. We came 5th out of 35 in the class. It was his first time out since February (since his initial injury). this was AFTER the vet has passed him fit to jump.

Admittedly we did have to hand back our rosette when the organisers found I'd stuffed a stick of dynamite up his arse to make him go round the course (because he was in so much pain) but at least we were fast in the jump off :)
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Surely jumping is jumping regardless of where it is?!
 
I don't normally comment on hho any more because I have no time. But having seen your horse compete many times before I'd like to think I have a pretty good judgment on him. At 18 with various soundness issues he is not likely to improve within his ridden work. By all means try and crack on with changes etc but there is a big possibility you'll arrive at the yard one day to a horse you'll have to retire. If it was me, I'd allow him to enjoy life whilst he can without any pressure to improve and just be greatful you have a horse that you can still ride at a low level rather than a field ornament.
 
ester said:
Surely jumping is jumping regardless of where it is?!
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Ester

KautoStar was contradicting me by saying that I had stated I hadn't jumped the horse for four weeks but then went on to say that I'd jumped him the night before. I was clearing up the misunderstanding. There is no harm in jumping my horse, the vet has passed him fit to jump.

I am sorry but I am not prepared to keep commenting on this post. I asked a simple question which required a simple answer and I did not at any stage ask to be lambasted yet again. There is just no need for it. I will post a video at some stage just as soon as I can set up my camera. I don't see why I should have to do this but I will do so as I am sick of all the nasty comments all the time. If my horse has to be retired at some stage then so be it but at the moment i am keeping him fit, happy and healthy with with feed, turnout, health checks and a workload to suit his requirements. I can't do much more, although some of you clearly think you are God and your horses have never had a problem in their life......or is it that you don't mention it, but keep quiet instead. You know all horses have health problems, there are some horses that have problems every month of their life, just because they are not talked about or discussed on this forum doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It does, but those owners just keep their gob shut.

Thank you for those people that have answered my post in a normal manner, your comments have been taken into account and I am grateful to you.
 
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instead of a video of him jumping(when we have already all stated his adrenalin will be up and will possibly over ride the pain)...why not post a vid of him in walk trot and canter on both reins on the lunge. no tack no rider no gadgets-the best way to assess soundness...................or would that we showing too much...............
 
I know why you were saying that, you seem to constantly misinterpret the point I am making, I just don't understand when you said you hadn't jumped the horse for 4 weeks, if I was telling someone when I last jumped my horse I wouldn't only be including competitions.

and if you aren't prepared to comment why are you commenting 2 days after the last post and reviving the thread? Nothing with horses ever has a simple answer there is always a list of possible reasons why, and then another list of the possible approaches to changing it! I think at the very least myself, Auslander and PolarSkye have all talked about our horses problems both on your threads and elsewhere - Aus did a whole post on Alf only yesterday!
 
I wasn't contradicting you at all. You did that by yourself !! I was asking when it was that you last jumped as one post it was 4 weeks ago and then the next it was last night. And as Ester says, jumping is jumping whether at home or at a show, the physical effects are the same.

But the point people are making, which you are failing to grasp, is that given your horses age and physical ailments, this is probably the reason he is finding changes hard. And why, given his history, do you feel the need to keep asking him to do something that isn't actually necessary for his level of work. I think that's the bit you missed.

And yes of course we all have horses with issues at some time or another, but most of us don't feel the need to report on here over and over again.

personally I see no reason for you to post a video because potentially it will cause further comment, which you don't like, which will cause you to fly off the handle and start screaming at people and calling them muppets and the like.
 
Alf doesn't like pink. Vicki rode him for 20 mins before she put the pink on him, in case he expressed his disgust by trying to buck her off!
 
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