Foals dying in the harsh weather please help.

Need to get the stallions of the common. In feeding them , the owners won't do anything. Same thing happens on the Swansea commons... You can guarantee if you tried to take one of the Swansea commons, the owner will find you in a heartbeat, but if one is injured you won't see them for love or money. Problem is if yo feed them the owners won't bother, and the RSPCA won't do anything because they are being fed.
 
ridefast said:
Perhaps if there were more abattoirs around people would send their horses there instead of leaving them to starve. Clearly money is an issue with whoever owns these horses
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Possibly money, and while i dont condone this and there are ways around feeding, there is a great lack of hay/sillage/haylage around! We had a farmer buy up the last fifteen round bales of haylage from us, un-known at this time of year!! :eek:
 
Personally I think strict rules on what can be turned out on the commens and chipping or tagging of all animals with owner details even without passports would be my solution but until that happens these animals are starving. Just because animal is not stood in a field in the southern counties does it have less welfare rights? The next time you try and prosicute someone for animal cruelty, their defence says it acceptable in some areas of the country.It makes the Animal welfare act a nonsense.
The police and the Welsh goverment are finally starting to take action mainly because like deer they are now in the impacting in towns and they are causing accidents and being grazed on school playin fields.
 
ridefast said:
Well maybe I'm a bit fed up with the horse world atm. Shooting them is cruel, starving them is cruel, feeding them is cruel, not feeding them is cruel, shoes are cruel, barefoot is cruel, keeping them in stables is cruel, keeping them in fields is cruel, racing is not natural, riding with a bit is not natural, riding bitless is not natural, cruel cruel cruel unnatural unnatural seems to be what it's all about. Perhaps it's good that some people can get an idea of what natural really is. And I'm afraid that the only thing I will donate to in this current climate is euthanasia, because there are clearly too many horses for the horse owning public to afford. If there weren't we wouldn't be in this situation.
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Annndddd breathe :D Do you feel better after that lol? :D
 
ridefast said:
Well maybe I'm a bit fed up with the horse world atm. Shooting them is cruel, starving them is cruel, feeding them is cruel, not feeding them is cruel, shoes are cruel, barefoot is cruel, keeping them in stables is cruel, keeping them in fields is cruel, racing is not natural, riding with a bit is not natural, riding bitless is not natural, cruel cruel cruel unnatural unnatural seems to be what it's all about. Perhaps it's good that some people can get an idea of what natural really is. And I'm afraid that the only thing I will donate to in this current climate is euthanasia, because there are clearly too many horses for the horse owning public to afford. If there weren't we wouldn't be in this situation.
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Excellent post!
 
skint1 said:
Excellent post!
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Agree I am a bit like that about torturing african babies too not that you can shoot them and it is horrid to allow them to die of starvation but one child can be on the brink of death every year- three years of its life and finally succumb to starvation having been given a little to eat before they finally die so I will donate for clean water and teaching people to care for themselves but not for food aid.
I am sick to death of the fact we dont have enough abattoirs to humanely destroy these ponies and horses it is time horse days with a vet were available at every abattoir in the country to dispatch them quickly and cleanly.
Shame of it is we had enough people with guns dispatching animals during foot and mouth maybe it is time for them to do the same with these poor animals
Harsh but true and I wont let any of mine get to that point they will go from here on the hook not the hoof unless thye have a good ridden career
 
I don't know if it's the continually dismal weather but I do despair about it all sometimes and I believe it will only get more challenging as time goes on with the pressure on our land and also climate change
 
ridefast said:
Well maybe I'm a bit fed up with the horse world atm. Shooting them is cruel, starving them is cruel, feeding them is cruel, not feeding them is cruel, shoes are cruel, barefoot is cruel, keeping them in stables is cruel, keeping them in fields is cruel, racing is not natural, riding with a bit is not natural, riding bitless is not natural, cruel cruel cruel unnatural unnatural seems to be what it's all about. Perhaps it's good that some people can get an idea of what natural really is. And I'm afraid that the only thing I will donate to in this current climate is euthanasia, because there are clearly too many horses for the horse owning public to afford. If there weren't we wouldn't be in this situation.
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this in a nut shell is the horse world!!! well said and now have a drink and relax!! lol!!
 
I have limited income.

I do not send money to Brooke as too many round here support them

I have and always will support S.P.A.N.A

Doesn matter as long as animals benefit
 
Without wanting to sound cruel heartless and callous their is nothing Crueler than Nature, and their are far too many poorly bred Horses & ponies being bred that shouldnt be being bred and their are far too many old infirm horses in the country. I realise it doesnt help the plight of these ponies which would be better off being Shot.
 
This is when a mass cull would be the appropriate action. I'd donate towards that. You wouldn't need an abattoir, you'd need experienced hunt staff and vets, exactly the same as they did during F & M. Job done.
 
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Cull would be a good idea and is done on Dartmoor where the "hill ponies" are struggling to survive and are a potential threat to the pure bred ponies grazing free.
The problem is the reappearance of owners who haven't previously exhibited any concern for the animals welfare. As said, if anyone is providing even a minimal food supply then the RSPCA can't act, the police are only involved if they have sort a traffic collision, the council has no funds to put to animal welfare, capture and gelding would only happen if the owner authorised it.
Sickening situation, and starvation is an awful fate for the poor beasts.:mad:
 
Even if you think a mass cull is better solution, what about whats happening now?
Yes they may have poor confirmation, they be cast off childrens ponies, the remnants of someone misguided breeding program and completely valueless in a monetary sense but does that mean we should condem them to a death by cold and starvation.
This year many of us have struggled with huge feed bills, perhaps someone on your livery yard has not maintained their horses feed because they either could not afford it or could not be bothered. If the horse or pony is starving thats OK then, its nature. There is no grass in the field wether it be 4,40 or 400 acres the owner has no responsibility to supplementery feed?
These ponies are not wild, the ponies in the New Forest are not wild they were delveloped to suppley a need by man in a managed habitat, this is not natural habitat its a manmade situation. In nature the horse population would be managed by the amount of food to support the herd and the herd would be relitively stable. In this situation the herd is being added to with more animals being dumped.
Posters have condemed Spindles farm, the Horse Hoarder etc, but its OK for ponies to die because they are not in someones back paddock or stable? I can not see the logic.
Perhaps there will be a mass cull with marksmen, but I there has been enough aganst about the badger cull and the Daily Mail readers wouldn't like it. I am not a tree hugger but I do beleave that animals what ever there end use wether it be for meat or pleasure have a right to a descent life and I think food is a main factor in that.
 
Honetpot, I think you have hit the nail on the head. Most owners here have struggled this winter. Going without themselves so they can meet the ever increasing need for hay and hard feed. The pot is very nearly dry and what little money people have has to be prioritised for their own horses. There is simply no funding for additional horses.

The owners of these horses have to step up and care for them. If they do not come forward then the horses have no owner. I loathe the ruling that if people help out, the RSPCA will not help. They seem to use any excuse not to do anything.
 
honetpot said:
Even if you think a mass cull is better solution, what about whats happening now?
Yes they may have poor confirmation, they be cast off childrens ponies, the remnants of someone misguided breeding program and completely valueless in a monetary sense but does that mean we should condem them to a death by cold and starvation.
This year many of us have struggled with huge feed bills, perhaps someone on your livery yard has not maintained their horses feed because they either could not afford it or could not be bothered. If the horse or pony is starving thats OK then, its nature. There is no grass in the field wether it be 4,40 or 400 acres the owner has no responsibility to supplementery feed?
These ponies are not wild, the ponies in the New Forest are not wild they were delveloped to suppley a need by man in a managed habitat, this is not natural habitat its a manmade situation. In nature the horse population would be managed by the amount of food to support the herd and the herd would be relitively stable. In this situation the herd is being added to with more animals being dumped.
Posters have condemed Spindles farm, the Horse Hoarder etc, but its OK for ponies to die because they are not in someones back paddock or stable? I can not see the logic.
Perhaps there will be a mass cull with marksmen, but I there has been enough aganst about the badger cull and the Daily Mail readers wouldn't like it. I am not a tree hugger but I do beleave that animals what ever there end use wether it be for meat or pleasure have a right to a descent life and I think food is a main factor in that.
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Food IS a main factor but since there are too many for the natural supply, it's as much a humane responsibility to do the hard thing (cull) as it is to do the easy thing which is carry on feeding.

It's harder to cull than it is to keep on feeding but if the Welsh Pony charities are going to maintain the hill grazing, then, the hard thing needs to be done also to control numbers.

It's done in America with the Rocky Mountain horses every year. It's a managed opertaion which has come under scrutiny for mishandling, but all in all they have got it right. It's harsh to watch them getting rounded up and corralled but they have to do it or else there would BE no wild habitat due to overgrazing and overpopulation.

Why is it that people are OK with culling boar, deer etc and yet have this strange aversion to doing the same to "wild" ponies?
 
Another who would suppport a cull and gelding procedure.

Those who wished to rescue could buy when they are rounded up before cull (provided they would be gelded).
 
I feel a mass cull is in order. I live in south wales and the dumping of horses/ ponies is a huge problem.how we can stand by and watch these poor animals starve to death is beyond me. I'm not heartless, just realistic.
The other thing that concerned me, when these ponies are being rehomed, are they being chipped and passported?
 
showaddy1 said:
I feel a mass cull is in order. I live in south wales and the dumping of horses/ ponies is a huge problem.how we can stand by and watch these poor animals starve to death is beyond me. I'm not heartless, just realistic.
The other thing that concerned me, when these ponies are being rehomed, are they being chipped and passported?
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According to the facebook page they are, the rehomer pays £80 for gelding and microchip
 
Just looked at the Facebook page... wish I never! Poor things, some look like they were nice looking animals. I am now trying my hardest bit to
 
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