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Hormonal Filly

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It's very toxic, do measure carefully. 0.5g a day is enough for most horses, that's not even a pinch.
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Having just received my FP Selenium. It doesn’t come with a scoop annoyingly but states 1ml = 1.5mg elemental selenium.

I’m not sure how to measure it out as my scales only start at one gram. 🤔
 

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Having just received my FP Selenium. It doesn’t come with a scoop annoyingly but states 1ml = 1.5mg elemental selenium.

I’m not sure how to measure it out as my scales only start at one gram. 🤔


You need to use a scoop not weight. If you have a 5ml scoop you could divide it into parts depending on how much you want to feed.
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Forageplus now only send out scoops if requested - I’ve been caught out by that before. They’ll send out whatever size you ask for, though, from 0.5ml to 75ml. Pop them a message and hopefully they’ll send you one out.

As said by others do be very careful that you actually need to supplement with Se and if so, how much, it is very toxic to excess.
 

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Forageplus now only send out scoops if requested - I’ve been caught out by that before. They’ll send out whatever size you ask for, though, from 0.5ml to 75ml. Pop them a message and hopefully they’ll send you one out.

As said by others do be very careful that you actually need to supplement with Se and if so, how much, it is very toxic to excess.

Thank you - have requested a 0.5 and 1ml scoop.

I’ve checked and her chaff contains some Se but she only gets a handful/or two a day not the 2/3kg the recommend. Equally her balancer does not have any in. On FP website it states majority of the grass samples they get in for UK are Se deficient so they add a minimum of 1.5mg of Se to their balancers. Quite interesting.

Sorry to hijack the thread!
 

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Thank you - have requested a 0.5 and 1ml scoop.

I’ve checked and her chaff contains some Se but she only gets a handful/or two a day not the 2/3kg the recommend. Equally her balancer does not have any in. On FP website it states majority of the grass samples they get in for UK are Se deficient so they add a minimum of 1.5mg of Se to their balancers. Quite interesting.

Sorry to hijack the thread!
Not at all. Your saving me asking the same question when mine hopefully arrives tomorrow!!
 

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No, not yet. I originally posted just recently about my horses behaviour that seems to change for the worse this time each year with no reason, well other than weather conditions/light I guess.
PSSM was so widely suggested that I’m trying out that route first off.
 

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No, not yet. I originally posted just recently about my horses behaviour that seems to change for the worse this time each year with no reason, well other than weather conditions/light I guess.
PSSM was so widely suggested that I’m trying out that route first off.


Yes, hopefully it will work but it be might a worth a vet check up anyway.

How does his management change from winter to summer?
The grass going into winter can cause ulcer flares, my friends gelding always turns spooky and off in winter, they put it down to grass changes upsetting his stomach so he is on low does GG for the few autumn months.

If your vet has the lameness sensor its about £300 odd and will help pin point an area /areas to look at.
My sisters horse had it done, picked up a 1-2 th front feet lameness but with an intermittant rh lameness. Which helped look in the right direction. Once he went in for a bit more diagnostics at the RVC, again using the lameness sensor, the front lameness had nearly gone with the rest but his rh lameness has gotten worse which is where we found the PSD.

If he has ulcers than it could be the wet grass, change in grass sugars etc. That cause a flare and the behaviour you see.

After asking the question I think if he was mine it would be a vet work up while still supporting his muscles etc with thw diet changes.

But I am often told I get the vet out too much 🤷‍♀️ even though each time there is a valid reason and something is always found and fixed.
 

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I might be preaching to the converted but have you upped the protein? Mine does well on copra (suspected p3 and/or 4 due to known bloodline issues but I haven't tested as I'm not convinced as yet). I think the recommended salt dose is a good tablespoon a day. Mine is absolutely, 100% sensitive to low electrolytes. We nearly lost her as a 3yo to what was thought to be colic but it wasn't. If she ends up sweaty for whatever reason, or run down, I add electrolytes and it makes a huge difference. Without enough of themor even just salt the handbrake goes back on.
 

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I might be preaching to the converted but have you upped the protein? Mine does well on copra (suspected p3 and/or 4 due to known bloodline issues but I haven't tested as I'm not convinced as yet). I think the recommended salt dose is a good tablespoon a day. Mine is absolutely, 100% sensitive to low electrolytes. We nearly lost her as a 3yo to what was thought to be colic but it wasn't. If she ends up sweaty for whatever reason, or run down, I add electrolytes and it makes a huge difference. Without enough of themor even just salt the handbrake goes back on.

salt is actually 10gms per 100kg of bodyweight but I've never gotten anything to eat that much!
 

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Out of interest- is there any evidence that physically compromised horses are more likely to have MIM or PSSM? For example, would pain experienced from kissing spine or SI issues trigger the condition?
 

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The condition is genetic. It's in the genes. It can't be created from external factors. However, there are some things that can make horse go symptomatic when previously it's been okay. Increase in work, onset of winter cold, wet, less work) etc... But it will have been there all along, even if 'dormant'.
 
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