For the record - dog prejudice

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For the record, since the other thread has been shut, presumably due to someone going too far in being offensive. The thread concerned was not about me, but it seems that people are unable to distinguish between me describing someone's actions and approving of them.

I do not have a problem with Staffies.

When on a horse in the country I would beware of a ridgeback in the control of my neighbour, who has a record of failing to hold one in the past, allowing it to attack my horse.

I do not have a problem with other peoples ridgebacks on a lead, though I would, I think understandably, initially be wary of one loose until I knew it.

I love dogs, especially big ones. I am hoping one day to own a mamalute, a wolf cross, a great dane or a wolfhound or maybe even all four!

The man who shot the rotties (they may have been dobermans, I can't quite remember, it was one of the two) in someone's back garden is true in every single word. I am not prepared to name him on this forum, particularly since a number of you would want to shoot him if I did. If you email me (PM me for my address) so that I know how and where to contact you should anything happen to him, I will give you the details.

Just because I know him and can describe what he does, does not mean that I approve. I personally thought it was outrageous that he was not charged with illegally discharging a firearm in a public place, but perhaps beause it was a garden they could not do that. Maybe the only charge available to them was criminal damage (of the dogs, being in law classed as property) and they felt it was not worth it, or the owners would not support it. He had no proof that it was those dogs killing his sheep, but he was losing sheep every week and since he shot them he has not lost one to a dog savaging from that site.

So, the thread was not about me and whether or not I personally like dogs or not or am scared of dogs or not. Though a big group of people chose to take it in that direction.

It was about the fact that lots and lots and lots of people ARE scared of dogs, especially big ones, and there was an enormous lack of empathy or compassion for those people from a number of dog owners supporting the original poster. Including statements like "if someone is afraid of my dog I don't care" and "if someone is afraid of my dog they should cross the road and keep away from me".

If is people, and comments, like THAT which will causing prejudice against some dog owners, not a poster like me trying to point out that a man who said to a woman, several times, "I am afraid of your dog" may well actually, however much he didn't look it, have been afraid of the dog.

Now, for everyone who still wants to lynch me for daring to speak the truth, I'm just off now to go and play with some dogs, so have fun while I'm out.
 
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You'd think on the dog forum the OP might have taken note of the legend 'Let sleeping dogs lie' ......... :rolleyes:
 
"if someone is afraid of my dog I don't care" and "if someone is afraid of my dog they should cross the road and keep away from me".

Who said that?

Anybody that has ever shown fear of my dogs has been welcomed to come over, have a pat etc, my two older females converted COUNTLESS people into realising that all Allasayshuns were not slavering fearsome treacherous beasts and some were actually very nice.

A wolf hybrid killed a kid in the states this week *sigh*
And I hope you know how much work goes into Malamutes...

But anyway, I hope you do join the Big Dog Club one day!
 
The original thread has not been pulled though I rather suspect you hoped it had.

You constantly quote from the post,( and I have just reread all of it) things which were never said. Also reading it in its entirity I was struck by how you talked down to the OP, made lots of assumptions, were corrected by other posters and chose to ignore them.

Your choice of dogs says it all for me it terrifies me that someone like you could own a wolfdog. Thank god you dont want a Dobermann.

Also I do not like the implication that if you give us the name of your farmer friend you want to know our email address in case anything happens to him.

I am sorry you had a nasty experience with a R/R and I feel it has left you with lasting damage, I would be happy to recommend a counsellor in your area.
 
I appreciate you trying to clear the air but you did quite clearly state you saw Staffies as aggressive!

As someone who just gets to see the tip of the iceberg that is the huge issue of staffie welfare I would obviously take issue with that... and if you were in any way attached or had access to any of the rescues - large or small or the pounds you would see just how bad the situation is - Battersea estimate that over 85% of their current dog population are staffies or staffie x's. And if you saw any of the numerous postings where rescues are trying to find places for very young staffies - dumped when they are no longer a puppy then you might also think twice about how you react to them.

Pound dogs have 7 days ONLY to find a place or be collected. After that they are put to sleep. Not a scaremongering tale, but so very sadly, the truth.
 
Actually she`s talking sense.NEVER discredit your dog`s breed by ignoring the fact there are some people genuinely scared of dogs.
Loads of people for instance have a great fear of horses,usually they just mutter that "they don`t do horses"..translated they will not even go into a horse field ..ever!
Now me,can train any old bullie,love `em,but rotties ? Oooh no,wary of those..daft is`nt it. It used to be GSD`s ..until I owned them, was really nervous around them ,so silly.
As for ridgies..well as a little girl of five there were four in our village.They lived in a lovely big compound with a kennel at the back,and their owner would take them out at dawn onto the Downs above Shere ,on great long leather training leads until the coast was clear,then they`d gallop. At five ,to me they were huge and we were all warned not to poke pinkies through their fence wire.I thought they were so impressive,strong ,dignified and quiet,but we all had huge respect for these dogs ..which then were very rare.
I do hope Lexie does find a fenced field where her dog can have a burn up!
 
im not a lover of staffies.ive been attacked 3 times in the street by different ones.i take a walking stick now-the last staffy that attcked my westie was hit over the back 3 or 4 times by my walking stick.my poor westie was not going to be mauled by one of these again.my scotty was mauled by one aswell-he nearly died.i will always defend my 3 dogs now from unwelcome attacks by this breed of dog and will use my stick again on them if need be.i have also been attacked by 3 loose greyhounds with muzzles on-they rolled my westie on the floor-poor thing was petrified.man said they were playing.too many irresponsible owners out there and its the innocent who are left to clear up the mess.
 
im not a lover of staffies.ive been attacked 3 times in the street by different ones.i take a walking stick now-the last staffy that attcked my westie was hit over the back 3 or 4 times by my walking stick.my poor westie was not going to be mauled by one of these again.my scotty was mauled by one aswell-he nearly died.i will always defend my 3 dogs now from unwelcome attacks by this breed of dog and will use my stick again on them if need be.i have also been attacked by 3 loose greyhounds with muzzles on-they rolled my westie on the floor-poor thing was petrified.man said they were playing.too many irresponsible owners out there and its the innocent who are left to clear up the mess.

so report the OWNER! don't blame the breed. The only dog known to attack in our village is a blooming spaniel so the owner has to take extra care - and we have quite a few staffies and crosses now.

In fact when at a recent dog awareness day, it was never the staffies that kicked off. This is not to say that breed are not capable, they are dogs, therefore they are quite capable, but the the owners had them properly trained and socialised - and there were a lot of staffies there. A very good friend had her dog really badly mauled .. by a St Bernard and another lost her (large) Hooch dog look alike after being attacked by a labrador.
Deed NOT breed. You are in fact, largely excusing the owners when you assume it is all down to the dog so don't credit them with that. You are capable of training your dog to behave and you put effort in, so why can't other people?
 
Stereotypes are great, according to some people I'm risking my life everytime I open my front door...if the staffies jaws of death (lock jaw...haa haa!) don't get me the poodle will (snappy buggers them furry things!), if not the JRT will nip me to death..or cause death by ear bleed from the yapping...guess I'm only safe with the mutt and the lurcher..oh wait..it's the mutt and the lurcher than have bitten in the past!!:rolleyes: Whoops there really is no hope!

Horses for causes, I'm scared of chav's and cross the road when I see them, some people find bible bashers very intimadating (sp) and draw their curtains rather than talk to them...so what life is all about choices and I choose to litter my house with staffies, mutts and various unwanted dogs with varying behavioural problems..my life my choice, you don't like staffies fine that's your decision I really couldn't care less. Personally I can't stand labradors but you don't see me making a post about how dull they are do you?
 
so report the OWNER! don't blame the breed. The only dog known to attack in our village is a blooming spaniel so the owner has to take extra care - and we have quite a few staffies and crosses now.

In fact when at a recent dog awareness day, it was never the staffies that kicked off. This is not to say that breed are not capable, they are dogs, therefore they are quite capable, but the the owners had them properly trained and socialised - and there were a lot of staffies there. A very good friend had her dog really badly mauled .. by a St Bernard and another lost her (large) Hooch dog look alike after being attacked by a labrador.
Deed NOT breed. You are in fact, largely excusing the owners when you assume it is all down to the dog so don't credit them with that. You are capable of training your dog to behave and you put effort in, so why can't other people?

there were 3 different ones at different times.how can u report the owners when u dont know who they are.these bloomin things were running loose in the street.hitting them with my walking stick worked though.too many of this breed about.
 
there were 3 different ones at different times.how can u report the owners when u dont know who they are.these bloomin things were running loose in the street.hitting them with my walking stick worked though.too many of this breed about.


Absolutely right there are, too many staffies being bred by too many moronic idiots who think a dog is a status symbol...so explain again please why exactly are you blaming the dog for this situation??? :confused:
 
there were 3 different ones at different times.how can u report the owners when u dont know who they are.these bloomin things were running loose in the street.hitting them with my walking stick worked though.too many of this breed about.


But again, by blaming the breed you are EXCUSING the owner. I totally agree this breed is being massively overbred - and there are now so many dogs called staffies which wear pretty little resemblance to the breed standard. Notify the local dog warden, tell him which dogs are running loose - if the dogs don't have a collar on (appreciate you may not want to grab to check) then that is actually illegal anyway. Both mine came through staffie rescue so were lucky enough to go from a home to home situation. 16 years ago, when I wanted a staffie through rescue, I pretty much had to take what was given. Nowadays I could almost complete a really thorough list as there are so many dying in the pounds. I keep saying it but I really make a massive point about approaching owners with staffies to show how people friendly these dogs really are and hopefully ruining the apparent credibility of some of these idiots when I do so.

On a more positive note I have seen this year more of a sea change with a lot of people. At events such as Badminton or local BE I am frequently stopped by people wanting to stroke my dogs. Even last year that would not have the case.
 
I have this morning read some of your previous posts to get an inkling of your character and alas its worse than I thought.

I have read the thread about the free range Shetland pony getting into the food store and you giving it a good kicking to teach it a lesson because you want to keep the door open at all times. Even when people recommended you get a spring door catch or keep pony confined you still insisted you wanted to keep things as they were because the pony had learnt its lesson through negative reinforcement.

CP stick to your cats I would not recommend you to have any dog even with its teeth removed and as for your list of proposed wanted dogs, try negative reinforcement training on them and you will end up as its next meal.

I think the fact you have little or no experience of dogs and then giving advice would be laughable if it wasnt for the fact that 1or 2 people support you.:(
 
Absolutely right there are, too many staffies being bred by too many moronic idiots who think a dog is a status symbol...so explain again please why exactly are you blaming the dog for this situation??? :confused:

because why is it when i walk my dogs i see all sorts of breeds and this one is the one i have to look out for cos of all the bad experiences i have had with them.if i see one now i cross the road.i suppose im wrong blaming the breed but when u have 2 dogs that are petrified of this breed aswell what are you supposed to think.my scotty is scarred for life after his attack and he nearly died for gods sake.my westie is a bundle of nerves if she sees one aswell.luckily my poodle isnt really affected.sorry but i dont like them.i have a friend who breeds blue ones and i wont even go round her house.
 
because why is it when i walk my dogs i see all sorts of breeds and this one is the one i have to look out for cos of all the bad experiences i have had with them.if i see one now i cross the road.i suppose im wrong blaming the breed but when u have 2 dogs that are petrified of this breed aswell what are you supposed to think.my scotty is scarred for life after his attack and he nearly died for gods sake.my westie is a bundle of nerves if she sees one aswell.luckily my poodle isnt really affected.sorry but i dont like them.i have a friend who breeds blue ones and i wont even go round her house.

All my pack hate westies...now't to do with them being 'attacked' by one, they just hate them. Doesn't mean I'd go and generalise about all westies being evil little buggers, just means for the sake of a westie owner I'd avoid them while walking....I most certainly wouldn't attack any dog with a stick if it approached me or my dogs!! Believe me if I saw you waving a stick around my dogs the staffies would be the last of your problems.

Have you ever thought that maybe your aggressive stance and defensive attitude are what is winding the dogs up in the first place? Your body language, and it's pretty obvious from your post you have a serious problem with certain dogs, will be giving out all sorts of messages to not only your own dogs but other dogs too.

Might be worth speaking to your 'friend' about her contribution regarding the disgusting over breeding of staffies in this country rather than just avoiding her home?
 
Come meet our staffies. I have an 18 month old, sweetest little coward who wants nothing more then a cuddle and is currently refusing to get out of my bed. SIL has her mum and dad a lovly little brindle and a larger white dog and my parnts have a staffy x from a rescue, older thn all th others, he is 8 and very calm.
In my house after the initial excitement of a visitor she will sit next to you for some love, she isnt intrsted in people we meet while out and not intrsted in othr dogs either. Cats are a new experience at the moment and she is very curiouse about them, her only intrest in children is to move out of their way. You are far more likly to get damaged from my friends pom then my staffy. they ar not calld the nanny dog for nothing. they are loving,m loyal and very trainable animals if th owners would only put the effort in.
I agree they are over bred and if I had know then what I know now I would of tried the rescue route first but shes my baby and will be with me forever and I wouldnt change her for the world
 
there were 3 different ones at different times.how can u report the owners when u dont know who they are.these bloomin things were running loose in the street.hitting them with my walking stick worked though.too many of this breed about.

This a joke ,right?
 
So, just to clarify:-

1 All Staffies are evil and their owners are idiots.
2 All Rhodesian Ridgebacks are evil and their owners are idiots.
3 Cptrayes would like a wolf hybrid.
4 Walking sticks are the current choice of weapon to use against an aggressive Staffie.

I'm not sure which one is more laughable...............but i'm fairly certain who the idiot is.:rolleyes:
 
well how would you react when a staffy attacks your dogs whilst you just walking down the street??? just let it get on with mauling your dogs or try and fend it off.sorry but using the walking stick got the staffy off my westie and i would do it again aswell.
as for my friend she breeds the blue one yes-but thats her business not mine.i just dont like staffys due to the bad experiences ive had of them.i would sincerly love to meet somebody who would give me time of day to pet one and show me that they arnt all bad.i wouldnt like my friends blue ones cos they just growl all the time.im sure that i should look into getting over my fear of them but wouldnt know where to start.
 
Indeed! In fact beating/kicking just enrages them more,and as for "pulling them off"..well that causes dreadful injuries to the victim.Shame you have that opinion ..but dogs are only as good as their owners,even Westies can be vile.
Perhaps also tell "your friend" to kindly STOP adding to the staffie puppy pile, numbers are out of control and beyond staffie rescue`s capabilities.
 
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there were 3 different ones at different times.how can u report the owners when u dont know who they are.these bloomin things were running loose in the street.hitting them with my walking stick worked though.too many of this breed about.

Funny that. I remember being badly bitten by a westie that would hurl itself at the gate everytime you walked past the gate (one day someone left it open), I was bitten by a friends lab when I left the house one day, and my best friends JRT took a chunk out of my hand one day when I wasnt looking, but my English Bull Terrier never even growled at a person or dog in the 10 years we had him. I think theres a point in this but i dont think i can make it polite enough to post on here.
 
perhaps you should read all my posts to get the full facts.ive had bad experience of staffys okay.my vets bill was over £500 for my scotty and ive got a westie that is so scared of this breed.i too am scared stiff and have scars on my arms and limited use of my left hand cos of trying to stop these dogs attacking me.there are most definetly other breeds of dogs including westies that are nasty and cant be trusted.sorry but if i was attacked again i would do the same.im sick and tired of stupid dog owners letting their dogs run amock and its just bad luck that they were 3 xs different staffys that have attacked me.
 
So, just to clarify:-

1 All Staffies are evil and their owners are idiots.
2 All Rhodesian Ridgebacks are evil and their owners are idiots.
3 Cptrayes would like a wolf hybrid.
4 Walking sticks are the current choice of weapon to use against an aggressive Staffie.

I'm not sure which one is more laughable...............but i'm fairly certain who the idiot is.:rolleyes:

*like*
 
Aintgotnohay Im sorry for your experiences by these Staffies and I cant say I blame you for your attitude.

If my dogs had that experience from the same breed it would colour my judgement somewhat, but I also know these mindless morons who own them are totally to blame. Im at an advantage to you in that Ive only met nice Staffies owned by responsible caring people and Im a great believer in deed not breed.

My experiences of Westies and Scotties are not good a Westie bite my daughter and my gran owned a nasty Scotty .

I hope you get to meet a nice Staffie they are far more nice ones out there t then the type you met.
 
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