Friesian value

Marie_eq said:
Quite shocked that you're still trying to flog the poor animal when it's lame on both back legs tbh. Very irresponsible imo. Saying you can't see the lameness doesn't mean a thing, you're not a vet.
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This! My boy was recently diagnosed with hock arthritis bilaterally and he was bilaterally lame behind. I found it virtually impossible to see but my vet saw it straight away, bilateral hind lameness is very difficult to see!
 
Nasicus said:
Oooh now you've got me curious Mrs. J! 🥸
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It's no big deal really, I am just rather happy they took the decision to remove themselves from the forum. I wouldn't have sat on my hands for much longer for sure, so all's well that ends well. Sorry not deliberately being obtuse I just feel it's best left as poster has scuttled off now anyway.
 
[127815] said:
Yes the price of friesians are ridiculous. If you have a look at the maret online most are 20k plus. One with a dressage history up to 50k it is imo crazy
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I do agree with you here. 20k + is standard for a good Friesian from Holland even for a 4 year old with little ridden experience.
 
Lame or not lame aside l think some people have little idea how to price horses registered with a breed society and l find it very concerning that there is so little interest and or knowledge about some of these breeds. Some, not all, are becoming rare and may well disappear if action isn’t taken to protect them.
 
gallopingby said:
Lame or not lame aside l think some people have little idea how to price horses registered with a breed society and l find it very concerning that there is so little interest and or knowledge about some of these breeds. Some, not all, are becoming rare and may well disappear if action isn’t taken to protect them.
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Friesians have never been more popular in the last 50 years ,with 50,000 or so of them worldwide. Surely no breed is crying out for its reputation to be sullied by pricing/selling a lame gelding without even trying to establish a diagnosis?
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Goldie's mum said:
Looking at some of the "Fresians" and "Fresian Crosses" for sale I'd say the biggest danger to the breed is from high prices causing indiscriminate breeding.
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A long time ago I contacted people in Holland who knew about these horses. They told me to steer clear of anything bigger than 16 hands because the breed really wasn't meant to be that big, and in breeding to meet the demand for them to be bigger and more imposing, there were serious soundness issues. I have no idea if it was true at the time but the source seemed reputable, or whether it's true now, but it put me off the idea of buying one, as I wanted a bigger horse at the time. There are some very "two different sized horses joined together in the middle" examples for sale.
 
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Jlojenny said:
He's not noticeably lame at all. I understand some horses with arthritis can go many years untreated I had an ISH who had hock arthritis but you'd never know. Doesn't affect him what so ever. Id say with a passed vetting he would (going by the market) be worth 25k so obviously be substantialy lower. But £500 is really not an accurate valuation as lesser horses are being sold at £2k with worse health issues.
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And some horses with arthritis are dead a couple of years later after costing a fortune in vets fees and heartache along the way.

Unless you get an accurate diagnosis and do some work towards seeing if you can get him sound, it’s an impossible question as to how much he’s worth.

He’s not fit, he’s a liability
Mrs. Jingle said:
I agree with ycbm's description of two different size horses joined together. I used to love Friesians but so many look like cut and shut types these days, I haven't seen a half decent example to moon over for sometime now. Such a pity.🤷
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I’ve seen a few nice ones, a couple of which haven’t been presented for grading because the breeder felt the society only wants 16.2 sports horses now.

I do wonder if they’ll go the same way as the shire, where the traditional style ones aren’t often papered or shown anymore because they’re not fashionable and it’s a waste of money to do the leg work with them.
 
gallopingby said:
Lame or not lame aside l think some people have little idea how to price horses registered with a breed society and l find it very concerning that there is so little interest and or knowledge about some of these breeds. Some, not all, are becoming rare and may well disappear if action isn’t taken to protect them.
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I get your concerns, but the one in question isn't going to add to the gene pool because he's incapable of fathering any more.
 
gallopingby said:
Lame or not lame aside l think some people have little idea how to price horses registered with a breed society and l find it very concerning that there is so little interest and or knowledge about some of these breeds. Some, not all, are becoming rare and may well disappear if action isn’t taken to protect them.
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I readily admit I have absolutely no idea how to professionally value registered or unregistered horses in this past couple of years or so. But I certainly still have enough knowledge to know if a price being sought by opportunistic sellers are an attempt to mug me in broad daylight, or a reasonable reflection of their time, effort and expense producing any horse, be it a low level family hack or something a little more refined and aimed at the more competitive rider.
 
LEC said:
Well they do… it’s what they are supposed to do hence their canter is crap.
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Not all Friesians have poor canter, but many do (or are poorly trained to it, which is mostly the reason), just like many/most cobs too. What they look like is the reason most people buy them, if they do nothing for you then obviously you won't be buying one.
 
ycbm said:
A long time ago I contacted people in Holland who knew about these horses. They told me to steer clear of anything bigger than 16 hands because the breed really wasn't meant to be that big, and in breeding to meet the demand for them to be bigger and more imposing, there were serious soundness issues. I have no idea if it was true at the time but the source seemed reputable, or whether it's true now, but it put me off the idea of buying one, as I wanted a bigger horse at the time. There are some very "two different sized horses joined together in the middle" examples for sale.
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I think steering clear of anything bigger than the norm for their type is a good idea! Shire horses also spring to mind here.
 
LEC said:
Well they do… it’s what they are supposed to do hence their canter is crap.
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I nearly spilled my tea! My daughter has a Belgian warmblood and can’t get on with my mare who is Friesian x Barb. I’m hoping with a little more training she’ll sit back a little more when she finds her balance. Well….that’s the plan…
 

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Cortez said:
Not all Friesians have poor canter, but many do (or are poorly trained to it, which is mostly the reason), just like many/most cobs too. What they look like is the reason most people buy them, if they do nothing for you then obviously you won't be buying one.
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They are well off middle aged women’s dream horses. They are posher than a gypsy cob and more expensive as foreign but essentially they are barbie horses. Shiny black with flowing locks. The reality is they are trickier than they look, there is a lot of crap ones and for every nice one there are 50 that are rubbish. They look nice pulling coffins though….

An acquaintance has a crap one - couldn’t get it to canter. It was quite sharp and went lame a lot so they have …… yep bred a foal from it.
 
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