Geert Wilders - should he be allowed into the UK?

The translations have been checked and they are accurate.

Let me get this right. The Government won't allow the visit of Geert Wilders to London, a man who doesn't threaten violence against anyone, but the same city has before allowed the visit of Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness who glorified in the IRA terrorist murderers who often targeted London and slaughtered its citizens with lethal bombs ?

This Wilders capitulation isn't just appeasement to Muslim extremism, it is open cowardice.
 
Checked by whom? Experts the world over cannot guarantee any accurate translations of these ancient texts, or even that the modern Qu'rans bear any resemblance to the originals. Geert Wilders doesn't threaten violence, but he does incite it. If we are going to deport Abu Hamsa for the same thing, should the same rules not apply? I am just sorry that his possible ban should give the odious little man any more publicity.
 

How can our Government profess to champion free speech while denying it to a fighter for the freedom of all of us: non-violent Muslims and non-Muslims alike?

Cannot Parliamentarians be trusted to make up their own minds about the research and findings of Mr Wilders? Is the Secretary of State now to be allowed with no question, to censor material destined for appraisal even privately by her fellow-legislators, let alone British citizens as a whole?

Isn't Parliament supposed to be our bastion of freedom?

Good job we are not an Islamic country yet - bit difficult to do a dressage test in a burka!
 
You are right on JayCeeme.
And not forgetting the connections our government has with Mugabe.
If its all true then why can't Wilders say it/show it, we have a right to know it all. At least then we know what we're dealing with in our country.
My other half was living and working in Luton and he helped a young woman runaway into hiding because her family were threatening to kill her because she wanted to leave her husband who they had married her to, because he was violent to her.
You lot need to take your rose tinted glasses off for once and stop being so PC about everything. The world is getting worse and the sooner you realise it the better.
 
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I have no need or desire for Wilders to champion my freedom; I already have it.

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you do seem to enjoy being devils avocate where possible sooty
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some times amusing some times it is a little worying, but if you value your freedom you need to think and try to understand the lessons history teaches us we are livng in uncertain and some would say dangerous times ... you canot afford to take freedom for granted... we have had to fight for it many times in the past , how long before the next time ???
 
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So let me get this straight. Because of a few extremist minority you think that its OK for someone to incite hatred and to campaign for a vast majority of a population to be deported? Bear in mind that 60% of the citizens in Rotterdam where I live are non nationals and a very large percentage of that are muslim. The part I live in has an extremely high muslim population and in the 2 years I've lived here have never encountered any form of violence or anti-social behaviour (the same could not be said for some of the 'white' populations I've lived in in the UK). Why the hell should my peaceful neighbours get deported because of their faith? There are many christian extremists out there as well... should they all be deported too?
 
He is adding fuel to the fire.

The muslim religion is not particularly animal friendly btw. Animals are ritually mass slaughtered for halal meat, fully conscious.

I am happy being a vegetarian atheist myself.
 
Here is a link to the Fitna film!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410

May I suggest that you view it and then give an opinion. I know I would hate this way of life imposed on me.

I am more offended by the sight of our British Police running away (backwards) from crowds yelling obscenities, hurling missiles and chanting Allah Ackba.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=97hyDRjdXCE
than I am by some guy telling it like it is.

The British way of life families, horses, dogs countryside are important to me and I have no wish for the basic culture of this country to change. If Fitna is a warning, then be warned.
 
What part is propaganda? Fitna? The British Police's cowardly behaviour (running instead of arresting). Or not wanting to change the British way of life?

I don't want anyone deported from anywhere and I didn't say that I did.

Got to get the horses in now with my friend and neighbour who happens to be a Muslim lady who agrees with Geert Wilders and with me.
 
Wilders, like the BNP, endorses compulsory repatriation - ethnic cleansing, if you like. Just like Hitler did, only instead of Muslims, his hatred and fear was directed at Jews. Some of my German Jewish family moved to England between the wars, including my father who took English nationality. Some of my family perished in concentration camps. German people were told Jews ate babies, that they were diseased - and of course it wasn't just Jews, it was gays, gypsies, the mentally ill - propaganda. If the internet had been available, Hitler would have scoured it for clips to put together to suit his PR machine. Anyway, Wilders has indeed been banned as he has no agenda other than to sitr up racial distrust and hatred. I detest all extremists regardless of their religion or role. But just remember, the same as with the IRA, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Wilders is to some extent playing right into the hands of extremists by stoking the fires of hatred, and creating an atmosphere in which terrorism can flourish.
 
He has been banned from entering, it seems we no longer have freedom of speech, unless of course our wonderful government agree that we can hear something. Do they really think we are so stupid we can't make our own minds up.
 
The thing that is not right imo is that its alright for muslims to demonstrate on our streets calling for beheadings etc and yet someone else with controversial views is banned. Where is this governments banning ability when all these foreign rapists and murderers find their way here. Its all so bl@@DY hypocritically.

Everything is done to pacify Muslims in the hope they don't bomb us again at the expense of alienating a great sector of the population.
 
It is not alright for anyone to demonstrate and incite violence, which is why it is not allowed. The Muslim demonstrations shown widely on the news around the time of the Danish cartoons (used in this video as a deliberate insult to Muslims) were not in the UK. Read the link about people banned. Abu Hamsa was deported for his preaching of hatred against the British. From what I have read on this thread alone, there is far stronger feeling against Muslims than by them.
 
I've got no problem with Muslims, but I do have a problem with people coming to live in this country that have no interest in becoming 'British'.

I think we have a lot to learn from America about integration and making people want to be part of a country.

There's a fine line between tolerance and doormatism. I would ban councils and governements from producing documents in languages other than English, Welsh and Gaelic. The French sure as hell don't translate to English!!
 
Very true. I agree that anyone who wants to live here should have a reasonable grasp of English, or be prepared to learn. Also, if Brits wish to work abroad, talking English VERY LOUDLY does not count...
 
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Wilders, like the BNP, endorses compulsory repatriation - ethnic cleansing, if you like. Just like Hitler did, only instead of Muslims, his hatred and fear was directed at Jews. Some of my German Jewish family moved to England between the wars, including my father who took English nationality. Some of my family perished in concentration camps. German people were told Jews ate babies, that they were diseased - and of course it wasn't just Jews, it was gays, gypsies, the mentally ill - propaganda. If the internet had been available, Hitler would have scoured it for clips to put together to suit his PR machine. Anyway, Wilders has indeed been banned as he has no agenda other than to sitr up racial distrust and hatred. I detest all extremists regardless of their religion or role. But just remember, the same as with the IRA, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Wilders is to some extent playing right into the hands of extremists by stoking the fires of hatred, and creating an atmosphere in which terrorism can flourish.

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Sooty you are coming across as being in agreement with the extremist Muslims, defending them and their actions, or you are on another planet. You seem to cast a blind eye to what does go on in this country and others, a bit of ignorance I think. Do you watch different tv to me?
The example you give of Hilter telling people about Jews eating their babies, gays, gypsies etc.....are you for real, that is completely different and no comparison to what SOME of the Muslims believe in and ACTUALLY do.
Everyone of sane mind knows what is right and what is wrong, but YOU are treating us like complete numpty's as if Hilter was here now we would believe Jews ate their babies.

NO one on here is saying imigrants should leave so you can quit harping on about that. All us British want is respect for our culture and way of life.

When us British emigrate or holiday abroad we respect and live by the host countrys rules etc. YOU seem to wants us British to change and accomodate everyone else, You defend the Muslim extremists who are violent and preach and attack us non violent British on here.

Can I ask why do you live here is you dont like us or our culture, way of life, FREEDOM OF SPEECH?
 
When the British are abroad they respect and live by the host country's rules? Yeah right. I think that rather than accuse Sooty of ignorance, you should brush up on your own understanding of British history, and then to bring things up to date, take a look at any one of the numerous programmes about Club Reps and the British on holiday.

Sooty, I agree with you and thank you for your eloquent posts.
 
Yes they go to places that advertise that sort of behaviour, and since when did someone getting pissed for two weeks turn into a mass murder site!
What you see with Brits is what you get. These Islamic extremists are underground until its too late.

Next question.
 
And since when did we Brits think another race be exterminated. These extreme Islamics just know violence.
I dont agree with wars, we should never have gone to Iraq. We cant keep being held responsible for what our generations did in the past. Yes they were wrong to invade, but we have learned and moved on from that. These extremists have not.
 
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Sooty you are coming across as being in agreement with the extremist Muslims, defending them and their actions

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Clearly you have not read what I have actually written. Perhaps you would be kind enough to point out where I have condoned any extremist behaviour, by Muslims or anyone else.
 
Sooty you have Jewish connections yet you compare Wilders to Hitler.

You obviously do not know that Muslims are as anti-Semitic as the Nazis; they faught with Hitler against us (The British) in WWII. There was a whole battalion of them fighting with the Waffen SS and they are still extremely anti-Semitic, anti gay, anti Christian, anti all other faiths today.

I started posting on this subject because I do not like violence of any description and think that Fitna is a very good warning - we need to wake up and not continue to sleep-walk into a situation that will change our lives forever.
 
I have read all your posts and you do contradict yourself a lot. I'm not sure you know what your talking about half the time. Just my opinion, as you are free to have yours
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Sooty you are coming across as being in agreement with the extremist Muslims, defending them and their actions

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Clearly you have not read what I have actually written. Perhaps you would be kind enough to point out where I have condoned any extremist behaviour, by Muslims or anyone else.

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sadly people think like they did during the rise of hitler and comunisum... that it can be appeased and history tells us it can not .. our spinless and weak governent are appeasing islam and it will bite us thats what it wants and wont rest... a cancer is spreading and we are sat watching it grow... will we wake up or just lie down and take it what sort of world do we want for our kids?? freedom or islamic state.. its that simple ...
 
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He is really really really hated by every dutch person I know.

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Well enough people in the Netherlands must like and trust him enough to vote for him if he is an MP.
 
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