Georgie Spence Wins unaffiliated combined training !!!!!!!!!

Also as in my post that they were jumping well and truly above the height of the class and quite selfish about the fences as in not not putting them back down, and that one of the horses is running Novice at Longleat which is by no means an easy track
 
Having looked at the BE results of the two horses that were entered into the 85cm class...i really do think that is a shameful that she rode them competitively!! They are both jumping very consistently - one jumping double clear at Novice with SJ 1.10/1.15 and the other jumping with just one down round Intermediate with SJ 1.20/1.25.

The thing that is making people cross is not the fact that she chose to enter those two horses in an unaff combined training competition, at the end of the day she must have seen some benefit of doing it with them, but the fact that she rode them competitively and took home the 1st and 2nd place prizes with it!

It may be a fault of the competition organisers to not have in place some sort of restriction, but then maybe people just assume that the horsey world is a bit more of a moral place to be.....
 
Just a question - only three of the horses on the WW results page are on GS's horses page on her website so fair enough that that those shouldn't have been competing without being HC etc.

How does anyone know that the 4th horse that isn't on GS's horse is out competing BE as well? Perhaps that one was a genuine baby entry. Still stand by my comment of "must have been a bad run" etc
 
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If it's running Novice this weekend then that doesn't sound fair , and unless she had good reason it's pot hunting...if that's the case she should have gone HC...

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Agree, seems unfair and not very sporting, would love to know the real reason?
 
Going back to racing, they weight successful horses to make it more of an even playing field. Not sure I agree with this but its to make the sport fairer. Dessie bless him, winning the 1989 gold cup in all that mud with tons of weight on his back
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just to give the others a chance.

Personally I think its apalling that she entered those capable, confident event horses against people who struggle with their one horse to get a rosette
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. Its david and goliath but goliath won, what a sh@t story that would have made!
 
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How does anyone know that the 4th horse that isn't on GS's horse is out competing BE as well? Perhaps that one was a genuine baby entry. Still stand by my comment of "must have been a bad run" etc

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Perhaps, but based on the other three, I'd say the odds are against it, don't you think?
 
It just seems strange since the horses are regularly competed. If you did need to do some schooling, why cant you rent an XC course? And im sure she'll get regular lessons with a trainer? Why go and do another competition on them...
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so should 4* riders not take intro horses out as the riders have so much more experience? I actually think it is very patronising to just say anyone likely to win should go HC or move up, so others 'get a chance'

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The horses in question are PN or N ones, I have personally competed against the likes of Karen Dixon in 85cm classes on what are clearly youngsters - this I have no issue with at all.

I am not saying she should go HC because she was likely to win more because she was clearly going to win outright.
 
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So do you all suggest that a racehorse that is out and out favourite and odds on to win should run HC?? Simply to let the other runners have a chance of winning??

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Not getting into the debate but there are quite a few rules to make sure the right horses run in the right races. You can't just enter any old horse for any old race, they have conditions on them and weights are assigned, even in non-handicapped races according to certain criteria (age and gender usually). In handicapped races the more promising entries are penalised and whole point is, in a perfect world, to weigh the good ones down so much all the horses cross the line together. Yes, it's possible to run horses higher than their class but it hardly ever happens because no one wants to have their horse thrashed.

In p2p's, amateur races etc. there are also conditions on what horses can run in what classes to even things out. Rather like the idea of not letting riders who compete at Int. do Intro other than HC.

And yes, horses do run in lower rated races sometimes to "sweeten" them but it can't be done unconditionally and if the horse has a good record it will either not be allowed in or will be penalised by handicapping. Besides, it would lower the horse's value and there would certainly be "talk" about the decision. I don't know how it works here but many of the lower rated races in North America are "claimers", where any horse in the race can be purchased for a specific amount, so a trainer would be a fool to enter a high rated horse because someone would claim it for sure. Perhaps that's a system to apply to eventing?
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Well done everyone you've all been successful in really upsetting the person in question, your all a load of sour jealous old bitches that seriously need to find something better to do with your time.
 
Agreed, they sorted out any unfairness in racing years ago and not very relevant to this debate.

If she had a sensible reason for doing what she did it would be nice if she (or a spokesperson) explained. If all we get is a big silence, she's in line to be accused of pot hunting imho. Either way, it's not life threatening, just irritating
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Well done everyone you've all been successful in really upsetting the person in question, your all a load of sour jealous old bitches that seriously need to find something better to do with your time.

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well i have to say that i am sorry if GS feels that we have meant this offensively. i think for the most part people have been annoyed with the system in general and can't really understand the logic behind her actions but haven't meant to personally upset her
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its the way when you are at the top of your game unfortunately that people will comment on your actions both positively and negatively- just look at what CH had to deal with in latest news! now that was much more offensive!
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Well just see how you would feel if all of this had been said about you. I know you all say you would have all gone HC but I bet if it came down to the crunch it wouldn't happen.
 
Guys do be aware that this is an open forum and anyone can view it including the person who is subject matter.
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Georgie is very local to West Wilts obviously the horses needed the experience otherwise she wouldn't have bothered with going. Maybe she is taking advantage of lower entry fees as eventing is an expensive sport even if you do have sponsors as she does.

I go to West Wilts on a regular basis and often see other pros that have entered in unaffiliated dressage competitions at prelim and novice level, is this not the same standard as the test Georgie did on these specific days. I know for sure that one certain person also went round Badminton this year.

Seriously if there wasn't a valid reason for Georgie to compete she WOULDN'T have, so give her a break everyone.

It's not only ametuers that benefit from some extra money they may recieve from prize money, pros do to!

So give it a rest and grow up, yeah ?
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Well done everyone you've all been successful in really upsetting the person in question, your all a load of sour jealous old bitches that seriously need to find something better to do with your time.

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LOL, she got the message then. So, any explanations or just insults?
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Well just see how you would feel if all of this had been said about you. I know you all say you would have all gone HC but I bet if it came down to the crunch it wouldn't happen.

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i wouldn't like it no. but then i honestly would have gone HC. honestly.
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i'm not having a go at her per se...just the system in general really
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and i would have the same opinion regardless of who it was and in whatever discipline- dressage, eventing sjing...whatever... like i say, i am sorry if i have upset someone but i think everyone is entitled to their opinion.....
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LOL, she got the message then. So, any explanations or just insults?
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Don't you think you've gone to far already?

The fact that you've upset someone makes you happy? That is truley beyond sad in my opinion
 
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How does anyone know that the 4th horse that isn't on GS's horse is out competing BE as well? Perhaps that one was a genuine baby entry. Still stand by my comment of "must have been a bad run" etc

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Perhaps, but based on the other three, I'd say the odds are against it, don't you think?

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Think they are indeed...
 
As I have already said earlier on in the post other pros compete at the same venue as what Georgie did, these also in unaffiliated classes, why is there a need for everyone to single Georgie out and bite her head off?
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I have competed at that venue against someone that went round badminton this year, this was in a prelim and novice level class, surely this is as 'BAD' as what Georgie has done, the test were of the same level
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Grimmy - was the pro riding the horse that went round Badminton too?

People arn't being anti riding against the pros, it's which horses were entered that's the problem.
 
Right you bunch of sour negative people.Lets get some little facts straight...Georgie couldn't enter HC because its OPEN TO ALL, the horses needed an outing clearly and as west wilts is 15mins from the yard why not go there?A few of them that were competing were her own therefore she pays the entry like the rest of you so why is she not entitled to the prize money,like the rest of you?I know for a fact that one horse gets very tense in the arena, so a trip to a non stressful atmosphere was necessary.At least one of the others she had never taken out and had had problems with a previous rider.And why not fill the lorry up to make the most of the fuel and time in getting there and riding?Your all sour and need to spend less time on here and more time practising so you can maybe be as successful as Georgie one day.Take a step back and look how pathetic your all being
 
jump_racing...have you read all the responses??

There are people in this post who state that they have done exactly that eg Hattie. Competed HC because their horse is competing well aove the level of the class.

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Very unsporting.

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What I think is 'unsporting' is the fact that you have taken the time to look down you noses at a fellow competitor, thats why there is a bad name within the sport due to this sort of behaviour
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I dont expect many of the people their competing would have looked at this in a negative way, I myself strive on looking at professionals and seeing the way in which they deal with certain horses, it gives us something to aspire to doesn't it ?
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This is how many professionals have got to where they are now by watching people better than themselves.

Sorry this is not aimed at anyone in particular
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As I have already said earlier on in the post other pros compete at the same venue as what Georgie did, these also in unaffiliated classes, why is there a need for everyone to single Georgie out and bite her head off?
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I have competed at that venue against someone that went round badminton this year, this was in a prelim and novice level class, surely this is as 'BAD' as what Georgie has done, the test were of the same level
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if said pro was riding a very experienced horse (say intermediate +) with no obvious reason other than for just a 'run out' then yes i would say it is and would say that on a thread if it was posted on here as this is my genuine opinion- i have nothing against Georgie i think she's a very talented rider but in THIS instance i think she has been unsportsmanlike. if she feels otherwise then fine, what does my opinion matter
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Right you bunch of sour negative people.Lets get some little facts straight...Georgie couldn't enter HC because its OPEN TO ALL, the horses needed an outing clearly and as west wilts is 15mins from the yard why not go there?A few of them that were competing were her own therefore she pays the entry like the rest of you so why is she not entitled to the prize money,like the rest of you?I

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It may have been open to all, but you can still decline to receive the placing / prize. And yes, I have done exactly this, albeit not at the same level as GS. I took a young horse to a very small local show for some experience and competed in the 2'3, as it turned out I was the only adult in the class, came third but declined my place and no doubt made the child in 6th v happy - let those who SHOULD be riding in the classes get the placings, I say.
 
So she doesn't even see what the problem is and why she ought to be embarrassed?
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I guess it is up to the shows to change the rules then and not assume everyone has standard principles.
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Marymoo, I think you are quite right about bottle (NO not the alcoholic kind!!) I have also known pro's who have lost their bottle, to the point where even jumping a cross-pole caused them anxiety!!

Not sure that this is the case here, but even if it was, there would still be a reason to enter HC. So - I agree on that point.

HOWEVER - another reason might be that she just didn't THINK about it when entering - we all get wrapped up in our own little worries, and to her, it is just another entry and another way of getting her horses out!

Judging from what I have heard about GS, she would be MORTIFIED if she read all this!!!!!!!!! What a fuss about one unaffiliated competition!!!!!!!!!!!

When she won, it probably occurred to her that it was a bit embarrassing, but it would look really condescending to refuse the prize then!!

I just hope she DOESN'T read all these posts!!

I have not seen any posts about her doing this before, so just grow up and let it go - we all make mistakes and annoy people sometimes!!!!!!!
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