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Armas

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I decided to step Armas's training up and have enlisted the help of a Spanish trainer who arrived from sunny Andalusia yesterday he will be with me for a month.
This a little clip of him getting to know Armas today.

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Sorry Armas, I didn't like watching that, your horse looks unhappy and is working behind the vertical and becoming choppy in his action, I preferred your more relaxed approach to riding him (dons tin hat....)
 
TrasaM said:
He's not liking it, is he? Confusion showing through about this new way of going. :(
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Its there first session together. Armas was attempting to play a fair bit. I think the rider was firm with him and made him work.
Armas was confused as the Spaniard is very different to what he has been used to. So we will see how they get on over the next few days.
 
Sorry, I do not see anything good in this, and I do not understand why you went ahead with your plan. Everyone here gave you good advise in not over facing your horse, which you haven't taken any notice of.
 
I'd be worried that he'll end up behaving all Spanish 'up and down' in his action and no forward fluent motion, which would be a shame.
 
I figured what Armas said - the horse is just being introduced to something very new and seems a little surprised. I don't know enough about the style of riding to comment, though it interests me - there's been a couple of mentions on the forums about spanish horses being built for more upright work than long and low. I'm curious about that difference and whether that means that way of going is 'right for some horses' or if they should be expected to change. What are your plans for him Armas? Just curious as to why a trainer of that school?

That said, if you all dislike the trainer so much, I'll gladly look after him for the rest of the month :D
 
Not pleasant viewing, what do you want this horse to be? Because the horse is confused, as he has one strange rider after another.
 
Armas said:
Its there first session together. Armas was attempting to play a fair bit. I think the rider was firm with him and made him work.
Armas was confused as the Spaniard is very different to what he has been used to. So we will see how they get on over the next few days.
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He's a very beautiful horse. I'm sure he will comply with what is being asked of him but I'm personally not a fan of this type of forcing the head in. :(
 
Barney&Buzz said:
Sorry, I do not see anything good in this, and I do not understand why you went ahead with your plan. Everyone here gave you good advise in not over facing your horse, which you haven't taken any notice of.
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What advise ? I think you have me confused with some one else.
 
justabob said:
Not pleasant viewing, what do you want this horse to be? Because the horse is confused, as he has one strange rider after another.
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He does not have one strange rider after another. He has had three main riders my self my French trainer and his son who jumps him.

I have introduced a Spanish trainer in to the mix as he is a Spanish horse and I wish for us both to have some traditional Spanish schooling.

It was the riders first hr on Armas. I am sure as the weeks progresses they will both soften. However today it was at some points a battle of wills.

Armas has strong character traits which means he does not listen some times much like his owner.
 
Horrible. I feel so sorry for your poor horse. Why do you feel the need to make him be ridden like this? Just because of his breed you think this is how it should be for him?

You try forcing your chin down on to your chest and keeping it there and see how you like it.
 
I love your horse and the fact you respect each other, that video wasn't nice to watch, I'm not sure what you want to achieve together, but surely you should get an instructor to teach you how to ride to your ambitions.
That spanish rider looked all wrong on your horse
 
Armas said:
He does not have one strange rider after another. He has had three main riders my self my French trainer and his son who jumps him.

I have introduced a Spanish trainer in to the mix as he is a Spanish horse and I wish for us both to have some traditional Spanish schooling.

It was the riders first hr on Armas. I am sure as the weeks progresses they will both soften. However today it was at some points a battle of wills.

Armas has strong character traits which means he does not listen some times much like his owner.
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I do remember another lump on him actually, and older man who was trying to push and pull him about.
 
peony said:
Horrible. I feel so sorry for your poor horse. Why do you feel the need to make him be ridden like this? Just because of his breed you think this is how it should be for him?

You try forcing your chin down on to your chest and keeping it there and see how you like it.
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This.

Easyjet - One Way :rolleyes:
 
justabob said:
I do remember another lump on him actually, and older man who was trying to push and pull him about.
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I find the use of the word lump offensive, the person you are referring to is a friend who is an extremely respected horseman in the UK with Iberian horses.
 
Well for the first ride I'd have thought he'd have gotten to know the horse first,but that's just me. I did like the way he lengthened the rein to give the horse a rest, agree with the others though why did he lengthen the rein then jab him in the mouth, could you not see the horse unhappy and you have this persons time for a month so why the rush. This horse is not going to be Olympic material.
 
I really did not like watching that: beautiful horse, looking confused and anxious. Far too many different movements asked for in too quick succession, imo. Why are you using three riders? 3 men doing three very different things. And you - in what style are you riding him?
 
Burmilla said:
I really did not like watching that: beautiful horse, looking confused and anxious. Far too many different movements asked for in too quick succession, imo. Why are you using three riders? 3 men doing three very different things. And you - in what style are you riding him?
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And why are you getting 3 men to force him in to working like that and not riding him yourself? So once he is taught to work like that you can then jump on his back after all the hard work is done and prance about at shows?

Really don't understand people sometimes...
 
What a lovely horse :)
It isn't anyone's business but your own, but as you've posted the vid I wonder if you could elaborate on the work being done? I am new and don't know any of the history, It is quite a different style of schooling to what I'm used to, as it looks rather pushed out of his rhythm, and becoming quick and behind the bit? I'm not familiar with spanish horses or riders though, so perhaps its just a very different style? I guess he just looks like he's running away from the riders seat, and curling himself in to a shorter frame in front, rather than actually bringing his back up in order to lower his hindquarters and collect?
I also wondered why the rider turned him in tight circles at the short end, about 2/3rds of the way through?
You obviously have a plan for him and know where you want him headed, so would be interested to know :)
 
I'm going to go against the grain here (and I have on several occasions in the past harshly criticised the way this horse has been ridden, so am not biased!)

I think that the horse is a seriously hot little number, who uses speed to his advantage, is very adept at blocking the rider, and has no problem ducking right behind the vertical if he feels it will help him evade. If you watch the rider and not the horse, he is actually quite soft, and very quick to give the rein as praise for the horse when he offers a few correct steps/comes back out from being curled up and broken over at the poll.

He is extremely strong in the seat/core/legs - which I believe is what's making the horse throw all his toys out of his pram. There are moments where he looks a bit inelegant, but having ridden super hot spanish horses, I can sympathise! As a new partnership, its not pretty at the moment, but I'm very interested to see how it develops. I think this chap might surprise everyone!

FW - he was giving the rein to allow the horse to stretch, and Armas went to snatch - so he blocked him pretty hard. Didn't happen again, so Armas clearly saw the error of his ways!
 
Beautiful horse

I hope it goes well. As a PRE owner (a rather tricky one) I have learnt that you need a slightly different approach with these beasties, especially if they were started in Spain as the riding style is different over there and they do have a tendency to go up before they go forwards.

I hope it goes well for the both of you
 
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