Ginny Post Script

I'm not sure I really have much to add to this AE other than to provide support. It's clear from all your threads that Ginny was not a happy pony from the outset even though there were some good times while you had her. And you made the decision to have her PTS for her sake only. Frankly I think it is a bit odd not to have some sort of relationship with other horses that your horse is turned out with day to day - I know I passed the time of day with Cam's companions when he was turned away for 2 years. I'm sure that your fellow livery felt a bit awkward about what happened, but was being supportive when she divulged what happened. Big hugs to you and your girls - both two footed and four footed. xxx
 
Leo Walker said:
in the last year nearly 50% of your total posts have been jibes at AE. So yes you will get pulled for it every single time you do it dear.
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Well if that isn't a clear indicator that YOU are stalking ME then I really despair at your self deception! And to put it in perspective, prompted by your clear desire to continue this vindictive trolling of me, I have wasted a few valuable minutes of my life checking the number of posts that OP has made since I once commented on a thread of hers...a phenomenal and astonishing amount as it happens.....and tonight after all those numerous long and informative posts and threads from her that you kindly drew my attention to, I have dared to comment again. So I am 'following her' have come on H&H back in 2009 in the hope I would come across her someday to comment on a minuscule percentage of every detail she chooses to post???


If either OP or you or others truly believe that you really do need to get over yourselves, you simply aren't that important in the grand scheme of things are you? - and you need to remind yourself that according to your own well researched statistics you have 'trolled and commented very aggressively on a very high percentage of any posts I have made on here havent you?
 
I’m sorry AE for cutting in here on your post and I am very sorry about your horse but LW I can’t let this go without you knowing that I agree with MJ. You are constantly doing this with me, you deliberately antagonise me, stalk my posts, criticise what I say, constantly provoke me for a reaction which you and your friends then build on, and you in particularly are predominately nasty in your comments and you have even gone as far as insinuating that you know where I work and it wouldn’t take much to inform my employees of what I have said on the forum when you disagreed with a post I made. It has even reached the attention of some forum users who have commented to you on your behaviour online or have PM’d me to show their frustration and exasperation of the way you reply to my posts.

I can’t understand why you deliberately alienate others like this and are so cutting in your words to others or why you are so unkind. Others are allowed their opinions and just because you don’t agree with what they say you belittle or demean them. It is not a nice trait.

This is a forum for discussion with like minded individuals who have one common aim, to help others with issues they may be having, either at work, in their personal lives or with their equines. Lets try and keep it a friendly board. I am constantly seeing users put disclaimers on their posts for fear of getting a reaction from certain people on here. There are new users who have stated that they have been frightened to come on the forum, or have worried about posting about something for fear of attack by yourself and your little clique. All this is really unnecessary. I have constantly supported you and wished you well with your problems yet you still feel fit to continue with your cutting comments towards me and others. Please let’s stop this now, not just for me but others who have been affected by all this unpleasantness and lets start to build some bridges.
 
OK some context.

I left one forum because I was consistently and unpleasantly trolled over several years by a small number of users there. I do NOT want my HHO experience to turn into Groundhog day so I am not going to elaborate save to say that if anyone wants to read threads in which this has happened I can direct you to dozens. I put them on user ignore, I rarely engaged and never (to my recollection) became abusive or personal. I still have no clue why this group took such a vociferous dislike to me.

To my dismay a few weeks ago some of those users came over from that other forum and commented on my previous Ginny post in a way that hinted that I had left bits out of the story (I haven't), that I had bought a pony who failed a vetting knowing it was unsuited to the job I intended for her (I hadn't). It was all so depressingly familiar and extremely upsetting, especially as in the other forum those users had been abusive and appallingly insensitive about Ginny which is why I finally left for good.

Those comments were called out robustly by LW and I was very grateful because the apparently reasonable tone had been seen through for the passive aggressive bullying it really was.

I know that there are thousands of posts by lots of people so patterns are hard to pick up unless it involves your own posts! Then it becomes all too clear! So I am not invalidating your feeling HSB - whatever issue you or others may have with LW is for you and them to resolve.

But I wanted to publically say that I was incredibly grateful for the support on this thread and elsewhere as I am in no doubt whatsoever that MrsJ and a couple of others are not offering advice with any benign intent at all. I discovered recently that there have been posts about my threads over here on the previous forum, accusing me of 'smarming over' everyone here and creating an entirely fake persona here. Which I haven't! But it is clear that they want to discredit me and hassle me as they did before and I want that to stop.

I also want to echo the plea for a friendly board. This is now the 3rd thread of mine that has ended up in unpleasantness - and always involving people with a beef from the past and another forum which is the last thing I want. I came here to escape all that. So a million % this:

hopscotch bandit said:
Please let’s stop this now, not just for me but others who have been affected by all this unpleasantness and lets start to build some bridges.
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MrsJingle said:
Well if that isn't a clear indicator that YOU are stalking ME then I really despair at your self deception! And to put it in perspective, prompted by your clear desire to continue this vindictive trolling of me, I have wasted a few valuable minutes of my life checking the number of posts that OP has made since I once commented on a thread of hers...a phenomenal and astonishing amount as it happens.....and tonight after all those numerous long and informative posts and threads from her that you kindly drew my attention to, I have dared to comment again. So I am 'following her' have come on H&H back in 2009 in the hope I would come across her someday to comment on a minuscule percentage of every detail she chooses to post???


If either OP or you or others truly believe that you really do need to get over yourselves, you simply aren't that important in the grand scheme of things are you? - and you need to remind yourself that according to your own well researched statistics you have 'trolled and commented very aggressively on a very high percentage of any posts I have made on here havent you?
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You pop up very infrequently and when you do its to comment like this on her posts.

In the last 12 months 50% of your very limited posts have been snide, passive aggressive comments to AE.
 
Leo Walker said:
You pop up very infrequently and when you do its to comment like this on her posts.

In the last 12 months 50% of your very limited posts have been snide, passive aggressive comments to AE.
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I am another one who has noticed you are persistently looking for a fight.

I think you need to go have a timeout. You like to wade into other peoples fights and I’m another who has noticed that you take great delight in tearing others down. Go have a look at yourself and calm down as you are not representing yourself well.

Op you and I have history elsewhere, I don’t particularly like you since most of your posts on the other forum were not as they are here. Dont play the victim is all I will say on this you weren’t a victim, That board was not as free speaking as this one is and if you were, it would have been dealt with. I’ve said my piece to you and that’s how it stands. End of as far as I am concerned. You post in public and will get public replies, you can’t have people chasing folk off commenting against you, it isn’t the point of a board and definitely not this one which I have been on for a long time now and I enjoy reading.
 
hopscotch bandit said:
I’m sorry AE for cutting in here on your post and I am very sorry about your horse but LW I can’t let this go without you knowing that I agree with MJ. You are constantly doing this with me, you deliberately antagonise me, stalk my posts, criticise what I say, constantly provoke me for a reaction which you and your friends then build on, and you in particularly are predominately nasty in your comments and you have even gone as far as insinuating that you know where I work and it wouldn’t take much to inform my employees of what I have said on the forum when you disagreed with a post I made. It has even reached the attention of some forum users who have commented to you on your behaviour online or have PM’d me to show their frustration and exasperation of the way you reply to my posts.

I can’t understand why you deliberately alienate others like this and are so cutting in your words to others or why you are so unkind. Others are allowed their opinions and just because you don’t agree with what they say you belittle or demean them. It is not a nice trait.

This is a forum for discussion with like minded individuals who have one common aim, to help others with issues they may be having, either at work, in their personal lives or with their equines. Lets try and keep it a friendly board. I am constantly seeing users put disclaimers on their posts for fear of getting a reaction from certain people on here. There are new users who have stated that they have been frightened to come on the forum, or have worried about posting about something for fear of attack by yourself and your little clique. All this is really unnecessary. I have constantly supported you and wished you well with your problems yet you still feel fit to continue with your cutting comments towards me and others. Please let’s stop this now, not just for me but others who have been affected by all this unpleasantness and lets start to build some bridges.
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Oh I am so glad you commented Applecart. Its been utterly ages since you accused someone of bullying your "friend" and called the forum as a whole names so I assumed you'd stopped that nonsense now and we could all move on. Clearly not.

I have no interest in you outside of this forum, and was very clear that I will not now or ever inform your employers of whatever ridiculous crap you post. The point I was making is that some people do, do this and some employers monitor employees social media presence, so please dont twist what I post to suit your "poor me" agenda.

But hey, if you want to start this again, then fine.

You are a long term user of the forum who used to post under the name Applecart14. The treatment of your horse was queried several times and you werent happy about that. If you'd like to check I rarely commented on those posts, so I'm not part of any clique

You closed that account and opened a new one. No issue there. Lots of people do it. It makes no odds to me. In fact in your position it was probably a great idea.

The issue is that under this new user name you make endless references to "your friend" who was bullied. And make statements about what a nasty place it is. "your friend" was bullied out of here etc, etc. And you expect people just to accept you doing this. I think most did let it go the first time, but you cant let it go, so it keeps getting dragged up.

So if you want to go there, then I am quite happy to spend the next 15mins "stalking you" and we can do a little compare and contrast of this profile with the AC14 profile, just so we can clear up any lingering doubt about you being one and the same and we can all stop this nonsense. I dont care. I do this sort of stuff for a living, I can do it in my sleep.


But just remember, you dragged this all up again, not me...
 
My God how very revealing this thread has become, for no other reason than someone with a long history of scenting blood and baying for the rest of the hounds to follow and rip other forum members apart.

How LW or OP manage to come up with the idea that my posting a comment comparing my own horse's aggression and change of temperment when I see another member's post about the exact subject means I am in someway criticising either them, or have 'followed' them from other forums.....I have no idea what forum the OP might or might not be posting on these days or have felt she had to leave for whatever reasons she had - I cannot recall when I last posted anywhere other than H&H as I have been far too busy elsewhere in recent months actually doing that thing called 'real life'! So both LW and OP you really need to get your facts absolutley straight and clear before you try to hold me up as the cause of any 'poor me victim' you are choosing to portray.

I will not be intimidated by anyone to slink off here with my tail between my legs because a few bullys on here clearly picked up an extremely 'false' trail and might very well find themselves with a considerable amount of egg on their faces at some point int he future. lets not forget how quickly on H&H in particular those who choose to follow the lead of others they deem worthy, instead of having the courage to make their own opinions and posts, and wallow in mutual back patting and preening, can and do turn and rip their own apart when they sense one of their inner circle isn't quite coming up to scratch.

LW your vicious and threatening post and nasty little expose aimed at another forum member has confirmed quite clearly my earlier thoughts about your motives and intent. I am so glad I haven't got someone like you posting on my behalf or defense, I would far rather stand alone and fight my own corner - any support from someone as mean and nasty minded as yourself would reflect badly on anyone who would choose to be associated with you. Nasty, nasty woman.
 
MrsJngle, I have never been a member of another forum but I know, from your own posts that you have been on a different forum, at the same time as AE and that you felt that she was not telling the whole story of Ginny on here. I have no personal knowledge of either of you but I do know what I think about those who follow others around the internet in order to contradict what they have posted.

There may be occasions/situations when that would be acceptable behaviour; in the case of a potential crime being committed, for example but as nothing on here is likely to result in criminal activity, that would not apply. There are all sorts of people who post on here, whose posts contradict each other or simply don't make sense, most of us note the inconsistencies and mentally shrug our shoulders, feeling that if they want to live fantasy lives, that is fine.

Regardless, IMO, your first post on this thread was insensitive in the extreme, intimating as it did, that there had not been enough investigation carried out before pts was decided upon.
 
it's all a bit OTT, all the talk of cliques and inner circles sound a bit paranoid tbh.
HHO always had a reputation for being intimidating, it was the same when I first joined (and those *were* the days of cliques! :eek:)

But I think what most people find is that it's tremendously welcoming, people are generous with their advice, help and support, and all you have to do is rub along with people gently in order to feel that. Any community will defend those who contribute positively when they sense someone is being treated unkindly. HHO is no exception.

Mrs J I would say that you are the only person on this thread who is trading in insults. LW has fairly robustly criticised your behaviour but you are the only person to say that she is a nasty *person*, mean minded, a bully, etc. that is just on this page. I find that completely unnecessary. We might not all agree with how each other act but that is a step too far.

Sorry to the OP that another of her posts has descended into this rubbish, I hope you would agree that the vast majority of HHOers are not like this and it's worth staying :)
 
And so the scream of the baying mob continues - work away as i said before I refuse to be intimidated or feel I have justify any posts I make on here or elsewhere as neither what the OP does with any of her animals or posts about what she does with her animals is of any more interest to me than any other posts I might read or comment on.

Yes I have come across Op on another forum and have no reason to deny that nor have I denied it- when or why she ever left that forum I have no idea and frankly couldnt give a damn as she is not the sort of person I would ever want to cultivate as an online forum friend, and I do find some of her posts quite boring and repetitive so dont tend to read many of them at all. I am guessing I left that forum well before she did, and I am reliably informed that her claim that people on there have continued to berate her in her absence is a total fabrication of the truth - In fact, as I understand it no remark was passed on her absence by anyone when she left or since that time!

You really do need to get your facts right.....perhaps as you like stalking other peoples previous posts and comparing statistics to justify your own actions, you might question why I have only ever commented on almost zero per cent of her many and varied threads? A rather pathetic attempt to 'follow' OP??? - I can assure you if I was intent on doing what you seem to be accusing me of doing I would have posted far more times on at least a good 50 per cent of her posts wouldn't I? Can I get it through to you - she is simply not important enough to warrant that sort of effort from me or anyone else, she is what and who she is and of no interest to me.

OP started this post reflecting that a horse she has had PTS was seen to be aggressive by another livery and she was glad to have been told as amongst other reasons it validated her decision to PTS.....I do not see anywhere that OP has been asked to validate her decision - it is her business what she does with her horses and not mine or yours. I found her remark interesting as if you ever bothered to read anything I wrote in my response it was a very recent experience of my own that prompted me to even bother to continuing reading the thread and remarking on it. Indeed OP herself commented that she was glad I had a luckier outcome than she did with her horse...all grand - until some of you decide its time for a bit of a rumble and to goad OP into also altering her original response to my post and instead simpering up a bit of 'poor me the victim' attention.

Anyway enough time wasted by me on people and subjects that arent really very important at all. I wont be responding again on this thread purely because it has now become very repetitive and the accusations against me are following the usual and predictable pattern of behaviour by some of you on here. But please be assured if any thread or post anywhere on this forum or anywhere else for that matter grabs my interest I will post my opinion if I so wish, and you may entertain yourselves finding someone else to intimidate whilst waiting for my next transgression of your own imagined view of who can and cant post and what can and cant be written on this forum.
 
ycbm said:
PS. I also don't have any issue with the idea of anyone on a livery yard wanting to spend time hanging out in the field with their own horse, or mine if it happens to live in the same field, as long as they were not giving titbits.
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Me either. I don't get why some people are so precious about other people fussing their horses...
 
I am also not going to comment further on this post either. I have more interesting things to do with my life. Tally ho! :)
 
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SpringArising said:
Me either. I don't get why some people are so precious about other people fussing their horses...
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Because they might mishandle and spoil them in all sorts of ways. Or get kicked. And as for treats...

Luckily it doesn't happen here as mine are at home. Phew.

ETA Hopscotch Bandit, we all know you're Applecart14 reincarnated, and that your mare is a gelding called Bailey. No one really minds except for when you pop up to deny it all. Then it all gets a bit silly.
 
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SpringArising said:
Me either. I don't get why some people are so precious about other people fussing their horses...
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I dont mind people fussing mine. Shes a sweetheart and loves attention. With Leo I encouraged it. He came pretty shut down and angry so the more nice people he met the better. Treats are a different kettle of fish though!
 
milliepops said:
But I think what most people find is that it's tremendously welcoming, people are generous with their advice, help and support, and all you have to do is rub along with people gently in order to feel that. Any community will defend those who contribute positively when they sense someone is being treated unkindly. HHO is no exception.
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That has been my experience totally. I was quite nervous of the HHO reputation as a bear pit but actually it has been great to be part of the forum for the last year and I really enjoy being here.

milliepops said:
Sorry to the OP that another of her posts has descended into this rubbish, I hope you would agree that the vast majority of HHOers are not like this and it's worth staying :)
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Yes definitely!
 
Pearlsacarolsinger said:
One reason we bought this place was that there are no public footpaths across the land. At the time we had a mare who was very food-reactive and we simply could NOT persuade some people to not feed her at livery.
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Our yard has houses along the lane. I discovered one day that my fatty shetland ponies were being given an ENTIRE BAG of chopped apples and carrots every day by a sweet but clueless elderly couple that lived nearby! I only found out because I happened to be poo picking when they came up for their daily fuss and feed session and I saw them do it.

ETA I should just say these were Shetlands from many years ago. One was the girls LR/FR pony and the other her companion. I have not just bought new ponies!
 
Ours got bread (one slice each) when a neighbour fed the birds, sadly he can’t remember when he’s fed them now, and there’s was some cooked cabbage over the fence the other day so we’ve had to fence them off part of the track which defeats the purpose a bit.
 
Haven’t read replies, don’t understand what is going on and don’t wish to be involved.

Definitely believe ill health in horses can lead to aggression. It is seen quite often in dogs and cats, and as horses are prey animals they are even more likely to act out if they cannot ‘flight’ or feel unwell.

Also see the opposite, aggressive animals becoming quiet and non-responsive. Whilst not a horse, one of my previous grumpy-no touching allowed-cats went off his food and seemed quiet, hanging around us a lot. Ran bloods and diagnostic imaging, nothing so put it down to an acute illness. A few days later I came home and he jumped straight on my lap. This cat had never been the cuddly sort. I went back to work there and then where we did further bloods for external labs. The next day I opted to PTS as over the course of 12 hours he began to develop free fluid. When we got the lab results back he showed a result 100x the normal level for a fairly unusual disease. That was piece of mind for me.

We all know our animals and their norms and when they behave strangely it does make you wonder what they are trying to say.
 
Agree with SOS I have seen a couple of horses who have reverted to aggression or being particuarly strong willed and resentful/sour when in pain and know of someone who put down her horse as soon as it showed this trait as she had known it years and knew it was so out of charachter and was in line with the issues her vet had informed her were wrong with the horse. But there are exceptions to every rule, I used to own a horse who was a complete pig to handle and groom but due to having a one to one relationship with him fledged from 'an ugly duckling' into a beautiful 'swan' with time and perserverance. I don't mind people fussing my horse, in the paddock or over the stable door, or even feeding treats as I have a horse that has never developed bad manners from being 'treated', but draw the line at other horses heads coming over the door in passing, feeding of hay that hasn't been wet or soaked or strangers coming from the road to tip food over the hedge. These would be a complete no no in my eyes.
 
AE, I am so sorry that a post you made about your lovely mare has turned into this.

I lost my mare 2 weeks ago today, I know how hard it is.

I am glad that you know you made the right decision, It is not an easy call to make. One of the reasons I made the decision I did was because my mare started acting quite erratic and began to bite. I like you found out that she had almost kicked someone narrowly missing their head, this made me feel a bit more relieved that I had in fact made the right decision.

Please take comfort that you did the best by Ginny, you gave her a loving home and then when she told you she had enough you made the brave decision to let her go and sleep peacefully. You knew Ginny best and knew that she was no longer happy. That to me is the best type of owner a Horse can ask for. I hope none of these posts have upset you x

I honestly cannot believe some of the insensitive posts on this thread, I understand freedom of speech, but for god sake create a new thread! Do not ruin someone elses thread who is opening up about the loss of her Horse!
 
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