Gipsy Horse Squatters

Inky_and_Sunny said:
ENOUGH OF THE CAPS :rolleyes:

FWIW I didn't say to let the horses out. I simply suggested that if there wasn't a gate there wouldn't be any way of them keeping the horses in the field in the first place.
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If that's not suggesting letting the horses out - I'm not sure what is.

Either way - why would that even be considered a sensible suggestion?

I'm afraid it says far more about you, than I :o
 
I'm afraid if you go back and read the whole post there are several people advocating letting them out on the road, or taking away their water etc. I'm as shocked as you are Amymay. They are animals and letting them out is negligence not to mention somebody could get killed, starving them of water is cruelty.
 
yes but the people whose fields they have been dumped on are NOT responsible for them...my friend is a farmer and obviously makes his living by the ground he has - he had a field cut for hay...and some gypos decided they wanted to dump their scabby things in his fields....why would he be responsible..he just simply left the gate open and once they had gone he blocked the entrance with an old tractor. simple..that is what I would have done....not my fault the gypo horses were dumped on my ground!!!
 
Ted's mum said:
yes but the people whose fields they have been dumped on are NOT responsible for them...my friend is a farmer and obviously makes his living by the ground he has - he had a field cut for hay...and some gypos decided they wanted to dump their scabby things in his fields....why would he be responsible..he just simply left the gate open and once they had gone he blocked the entrance with an old tractor. simple..that is what I would have done....not my fault the gypo horses were dumped on my ground!!!
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They are actually ponies not scabby things, just unlucky in birth. Still don't deserve to be mown down in the road by a car. And neither does the driver.
 
Drivers die in collisions with horses. I hope anyone who would let horses and ponies out on roads would be able to live with the consequences.
 
Ted's mum said:
yes but the people whose fields they have been dumped on are NOT responsible for them...my friend is a farmer and obviously makes his living by the ground he has - he had a field cut for hay...and some gypos decided they wanted to dump their scabby things in his fields....why would he be responsible..he just simply left the gate open and once they had gone he blocked the entrance with an old tractor. simple..that is what I would have done....not my fault the gypo horses were dumped on my ground!!!
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Wrong. If livestock are living on your land the law says you have responsibility for them. It is exactly this point that I use to get horses removed, so that the landowner can fulfill their obligation to properly care for the animals
 
They shouldn't be in the farmers fields then should they!! The gypos bust his lock on the gate too...the cheek...sorry but not his problem
 
Ted's mum said:
They shouldn't be in the farmers fields then should they!! The gypos bust his lock on the gate too...the cheek...sorry but not his problem
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As has been pointed out several times in this post - the law says differently.

And thank goodness it does.


Anyway OP - how about an update?????
 
Ted's mum said:
They shouldn't be in the farmers fields then should they!! The gypos bust his lock on the gate too...the cheek...sorry but not his problem
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Lets all just hope that you or one of your family isn't travelling along the road & is in collision with one of these ponies then, God how do you sleep at night...
 
kizzywiz said:
Lets all just hope that you or one of your family isn't travelling along the road & is in collision with one of these ponies then, God how do you sleep at night...
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I would shoot the horses myself if they were on my fields..they have no right to be there at all
 
Its unbelievable isnt it. I suspect that deliberately letting them out is a criminal offence due to the horrific possible consequences. Criminal negiligence?
 
Ted's mum said:
I would shoot the horses myself if they were on my fields..they have no right to be there at all
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Good grief you are quite insane!
Why on earth is it the fault of the poor animals that happened to be dumped by a bunch of undesirables?
God forbid YOUR horse should ever escape and end up somewhere it shouldn't be, with someone who has the same mentality you do.
 
Ted's mum said:
I would shoot the horses myself if they were on my fields..they have no right to be there at all
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Now Ted, I know you to be an animal lover and I also know you to be a compassionate person.

A little scenario for you: Your horse(s) escape from your field - but are lucky enough to be put in another field, not owned by you, bya kind passer by.

They have no right to be in that field - so the land owner shoots them.........

Would you still feel the same as you do now? :confused:

Come on - this is a people problem, not an animal problem. And anyone who thinks otherwise really shouldn't have anything to do with animals of any sort......:(
 
We have 10 acres of grazing land about 10 minutes drive from the yard. this is used for resting horses, holidays ect. so for some part of the year its often empty. There is also a travellers camp in spitting distance from our field. A couple of years ago when our field was empty we drove past to find 5 gypsy ponies in there. So, we got a couple of feed buckets, got head collars on what we could and drove them down the road back to the travellers camp and put them in there in their car park and shut the gates. Ponies never returned. We also had another very sad case of another 2 yr old dumped in our field nearer the yard. I caught her, brought her home and had her put down (after ILPH had seen her and police informed, police said we couldn't have her PTS but I'm sorry we weren't going to foot a pikeys vets bill) as she was very sick. Again, they haven't dumped anything for a while but I'm sure they will again at some point.
 
Such hysteria.

I advocated cutting off the water beause then you can call the welfare organisations and inform them the horses have no water. It might mean they act.

There would be nothing to stop you surreptitiously giving them water, just not letting the welfare organisations know.
 
This isn't going to help the Original Poster, with whom I have a great deal of sympathy, but if the horses of others are on your land, whether invited or not, then YOU are viewed as the keeper, in the eyes of the law.

Any attempt to release these horses, and turn them loose onto the public highway, would be very irresponsible, and if proven, would land the "keeper"(!) in court.

Is that fair? No, of course it isn't. It's just the way that it is.

Alec.
 
amymay said:
They don't need to have a lack of water for the welfare organisations to act.
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Sorry Amymay but most wont act when they should unless the horses are pretty near death. Its been my experience I'm afraid and from this post I'm not alone. Unfortunately (and it may be for legal reasons) they are not proactive but reactive.
 
The law has changed so they now can act before suffering occurs where there is a risk of suffering. (It did used to be that suffering had to be takingOut place).

However they are often still reluctant to use these new powers since they have to justify their decision legally and also may face very angry and aggressive people. So generally they will often only act prior to suffering where the horses concerned are part of a group that are showing suffering ie so they can get them all out of there, or if there has been long term ongoing problems with a horse/owner's care.

Out of the charities, WHW (ILPH) are the best, RSPCA awful, esp as some of their officers dont know much about horses.

It is a catch 22, if you obey the law and water etc the horse, noone will help cos they arent suffering, if you dont, someone might help the horses but prosecute you! Like fly tipping, its a very unfair situation for private landowners and I believe the law should be changed so that dumping, whether its rubbish or horses, is a police and council responsibility. One reason this would help is that it would become very apparent just how much of this goes on, in which locations, and just how much money this problem costs.
 
You're really not a very nice person are you. Why the need to misquote me to your own ends?

You quoted me as saying

amymay said:
Originally Posted by Inky_and_Sunny View Post
ENOUGH OF THE CAPS

FWIW I didn't say to let the horses out. I simply suggested that if there wasn't a gate there wouldn't be any way of them keeping the horses in the field in the first place.

If that's not suggesting letting the horses out - I'm not sure what is.

Either way - why would that even be considered a sensible suggestion?

I'm afraid it says far more about you, than I :o
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What I actually said was

Inky_and_Sunny said:
ENOUGH OF THE CAPS :rolleyes:

FWIW I didn't say to let the horses out. The OP said that last year they left and she padlocked the gate up. They came back and bolt cut the padlock. I simply suggested that if there wasn't a gate there wouldn't be any way of them keeping the horses in the field in the first place.

I don't know why you assumed that I meant let the horses loose - credit people with a little intelligence and humanity. I think your post says a lot about your personality :rolleyes:
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You horrible, horrible person to cut and paste so it looks bad on me. Right little keyboard commando aren't you? Really make you feel good about yourself does it?
 
You horrible, horrible person to cut and paste so it looks bad on me. Right little keyboard commando aren't you? Really make you feel good about yourself does it?
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Actually I'm a very nice person - as my friends will tell you. And the only person making you look bad is yourself.

Any one who advocates taking gates of a field in order to allow animals to wander, which could then result in a serious if not fatal accident needs their head examined.

However, in fairness to you - you have not been the only person suggesting this, which in itself is alarming. But unsuprising given the level of intelligence displayed by some of our members on here.
 
there is a very effective way of dealing with it, but i cant think who needs to do it. i think it's the council.

Do you own the land or rent ?

A friend has just gone through it and got rid of them, will find out what she did
 
amymay said:
Actually I'm a very nice person - as my friends will tell you. And the only person making you look bad is yourself.

Any one who advocates taking gates of a field in order to allow animals to wander, which could then result in a serious if not fatal accident needs their head examined.

However, in fairness to you - you have not been the only person suggesting this, which in itself is alarming. But unsuprising given the level of intelligence displayed by some of our members on here.
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I suppose Amymay that this post has shocked quite a few of us but it is part of being in a forum. There are some unbelievably stupid replies to posts, mostly from people who clearly have no experience in that field (the breeding and youngstock threads and rants are particularly poor). I think it is probably because they just type before they think and once things are explored realise the error of their ways. We all come at things from a different place. If this happened to me for example I'd look after them, worm them and do the right thing - but that's easy for me cos I've got 30 good acres, great water and am animal daft. I suppose if you have limited grazing and one horse and are not as soft as I am, then things would be different. I went to school with lots of 'settled' travelling families and although I wouldn't cross them, the OP should defo go down the route of contact via the liaison officer I think. Most respect the direct approach. Hope it all works out for him/her and most of all for the ponies.
 
lachlanandmarcus said:
The law has changed so they now can act before suffering occurs where there is a risk of suffering. (It did used to be that suffering had to be takingOut place).

However they are often still reluctant to use these new powers since they have to justify their decision legally and also may face very angry and aggressive people. So generally they will often only act prior to suffering where the horses concerned are part of a group that are showing suffering ie so they can get them all out of there, or if there has been long term ongoing problems with a horse/owner's care.

Out of the charities, WHW (ILPH) are the best, RSPCA awful, esp as some of their officers dont know much about horses.

It is a catch 22, if you obey the law and water etc the horse, noone will help cos they arent suffering, if you dont, someone might help the horses but prosecute you! Like fly tipping, its a very unfair situation for private landowners and I believe the law should be changed so that dumping, whether its rubbish or horses, is a police and council responsibility. One reason this would help is that it would become very apparent just how much of this goes on, in which locations, and just how much money this problem costs.
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Yes, I agree about the RSPCA and what's worse is that so many people leave loads of money in their will not knowing how top heavy, bureaucratic and well, wholly ineffective they really are. I haven't tried the ILPH but know someone who did - but this might have been before the law change.
 
I am probably going to get shot down in flames for this but hey ho...

OP, it might be worth contacting a company like these http://www.sullivansbailiffs.co.uk/gypsies.html

I know someone (won't go in to too much detail) who used a similar company to remove gypsies who were camped on his company's land. In their case the camp itself was removed by the bailiffs but it has to be worth contacting a bailiff company in your area to see if they can help with removal of the horses. IIRC in the case I mentioned, the gypsies were removed within about 2 days of the court proceedings starting (I'm sure any legal people on here will correct my accuracy if I have something wrong, I am trying to remember something that happened more than 10 years ago!).
 
Inky_and_Sunny said:
You're really not a very nice person are you. Why the need to misquote me to your own ends?

You quoted me as saying



What I actually said was



You horrible, horrible person to cut and paste so it looks bad on me. Right little keyboard commando aren't you? Really make you feel good about yourself does it?
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I am astounded at this quote, firstly this post is not about YOU! Have some respect for the OP. Secondly, Amymay is a very nice and caring person indeed, she also is very knowledgeable and I as the majority of others on this forum value her opinion.
 
amymay said:
Actually I'm a very nice person - as my friends will tell you. And the only person making you look bad is yourself.

Any one who advocates taking gates of a field in order to allow animals to wander, which could then result in a serious if not fatal accident needs their head examined.

However, in fairness to you - you have not been the only person suggesting this, which in itself is alarming. But unsuprising given the level of intelligence displayed by some of our members on here.
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She's not suggesting letting the horses loose on the road. The post is pretty clear if you read it with an open mind, rather than a fervent desire to make people look stupid. I & S says that if there were no gate, people wouldn't put horses is there in the first place. That would bring all sorts of other issues, which I imagine you'll energetically point out, but it is not a suggestion that the horses are rounded up and driven loose down the M4.

Gosh we're all so lucky there are really intelligent people like you to put us all right when we post in a hurry & it's something you can tear apart.
 
This post is not about argueing between ourselves.
It is to give advice to someone in a situation and they need help.
Ok so some very silly replies about letting the horses out, that is not constructive to helping the OP as she would be liable.
Op as you ahve started the threat are you going to update us on what has happened and what you have done to sort out your problem.
You have been given some very sound advice on this thread hopefully you have acted on some of it.
I am reiterating what i said in an earlier post get on to the Traveller Liason Person, they are your best help
 
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