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I am extremely gob smacked!! I posted about my horse being lame and uneasy on his legs. I asked for the symptoms of laminitis and NOT critizism about how I should look after my horse. I am sorry to the VERY few people who were calm and considerate but to those others I am very deeply hurt at the fact you could leave such comments. Before this post I discussed with my parents to call the vet out, but we were unsure how to get him up from the field as he is a 10 minute walk from the stables and didn’t want to make it uncomfortable for him. I thought I would post a post on here to ask what other symptoms are there with laminitis so we could try and pinpoint the problem more and also because there have been many a time we have called the vet unnecessarily. A few hours before I gave him Bute –X to relieve the pain. He seemed much more like himself and did walk and load on the trailer very well. It was very stressful as another horse was also lame with an abscess and doesn’t like to load. Cyril was very stressed leaving his friends from the field. When the vet arrived (and he is NOT from a little animal vet’s practise he is from an Equine vets) he didn’t say anything like its too late and he didn’t seemed overly concerned when I described Cyril’s condition to him and said we were doing the rights and actually said he would probably be ok till the next day. When he did arrive because we asked that day he asked me to trot and walk in tight circles. He did this very well (as the Bute-X herbal supplement had kicked in) the vet checked his pulses and legs and wasn’t sure if it was laminitis. He said he had sore front feet and it could possibly be laminitis but thought it was weird as HE said it is unusual for a horse of his breeding, age, being in work and not at all overweight to get it. Who wasn’t on that rich grass! I am just telling you what he said!!

I think it was wrong and rude for some of you to make comments when you haven’t even seen my horse’s symptoms and to voice your opinion in such a way! I am not mistreating my horse – mistreating it would be not even checking on him daily to see if something is wrong. He wasn’t in severe pain as when I gave him the Bute- X he was able to move happily and so those of you who think herbal remedies don’t work then think again – it worked within an hour.

I am reluctant to use this forum again as I think so many of you have nothing better to do with your time then make hurtful comments. I thought I could ask this forum and get positive answers back but obviously you can’t even do that! Sorry to those who were fair. The vet didn’t diagnose the problem – he wasn’t sure he just said he has sore feet so I will treat him for laminitis as that’s what it could be, but he is not ruling out other things. He didn’t say it was serious or I should have called earlier he said box – rest will do the trick. So I would appreciate it if you could be more considerate of people’s circumstances and not jump in feet first and say stuff that’s completely unnecessary!! I am lost for words that some people thought I was mistreating my horse. There are plenty of horse riders that mistreat horses in a way that they think is right – like smacking, hitting them if they have refuse a jump or beating a horse into loading etc.. - Some off your comments were a lot nastier than others this doesn’t apply to all of you but the vast majority.

We have had horses for over 10 years I do NOT need to go and learn the basics. I have had horses that leave to a ripe old ages and are fit and healthy. Currently I have a 26 year old that still jumps and gets ridden. I look after my horses very well, keep them clean, poo pick every day (unlike some) Clean stables well (never deep litter) Pick out feet daily, groom. I do know how to look after horses – but thanks for you concern!!!!!

You did not need to gang up me! I had already made the decision to call the vet soon after my post. The reason I didn’t respond is because we were on the phone to the vet and I was sorting Cyril out.

I hope you understand and next time be a lot more considerate – you don’t know what peoples circumstances are so don’t judge a book by its cover. I have really been put off this forum and am reluctant to use it now as all there is negative feeling and comments. Some things I have been called have heart deep down and instead of worrying about other peoples problems so severely you need to watch what you type because words can hurt.

Those who understand, thank you.
 

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Do you mean this thread? http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/sh...rue#Post4389576
You needed to call the vet, and they gave you good advice.
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If that is the post then i don't see people telling you that you can't look after your horse i see people giving you advice which is to ring the vet. Don't understand whats so insulting?
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I am very reluctant to post this reply..but, here goes!

First, can you read this slowly and take it in please as I will say this only once.

You asked the advice from people on this forum about a horse with sore front feet that could not get up. You posted that the horse had a cut on it's leg originally, then asked for symptoms of laminitis.

I replied, like many others that laminitis was a very serious condition/disease and required veterinary assistance and help.

You, decided that you didn't like this reply despite many others giving the same advice.

I also asked if it was a small animal vet that saw the horse rather than a specialised equine vet. I asked this because:

a) it is amazing how small animal practices often are called to equines, and although they have knowledge, specialist knowledge is required for horses.

b) It is also amazing how often equine vets are unaware of laminitis symptoms and treatment...and that is something you as an owner have to take into consideration.

Finally, as said numerous times before, it is not rare or unusually for all shapes, sizes, breeds and types of horses to get laminitis. If after 10years of horse ownership you feel you know everything, then you have a lot to learn. I have had horses for an awful lot longer than you, and I learn something new about them every day. I also listen to others opinions, respect other's methods and take on board any good advise given.

This forum is excellent for good advice, reassurance and support, it would be a terrible shame if you choose not to use it.

I sincerely hope your horse gets better, and remember, we replied to you to help you and your horse, not to "pick " on you.
 

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Next time you want symptoms of an illness described to you, maybe ask for exactly that?
IE What are the symptoms of laminitis? Does it affect any type of horse? What is the most common line of treatment?

That sort of post instead of saying that your horse can't move and you are wondering if to call the vet sometime on Monday would most probably give you the responses you wanted.
Just a thought...
But then again, don't listen to me, I do smack my horses if they refuse at a jump.
 

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Absolutely agree with f-s. Many years ago we lost a pony mare as a result of lammi (fed by 'well meaning' passers by) Also a young, slim and apparently fit Shire mare since then. Both were promptly attended by the vet and farrier, working together, and we still lost them both. The reason people said call the vet now, was because of the severity of the symptoms which YOU described. I too have had horses for nearly 40 years and am still learning:)
 

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I agree with f_s_. It is also a good idea to bare in mind that it isn't just high fructose levels in grass that cause lami. It can be brought on from numerous things such as concussion(sp?) from hard ground which we have had a lot of before this rain.
 

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I am going to give you some advice.
1) Get your facts right first ! I never said he had a cut on his leg before

2) read the post i posted properly

3) when i said i have owned horse for 10 years i didnt say i have learnt everything!! I learn new things each day.

4) And i was just telling you MY VET said it was RARE for a horse like mine to get laminitis!!
 

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I didn't say anything last night, but if posted you would have got the same response from me.

your vet examined him whist he was on painkillers- surely that will hide the extent of the problem so that's why your vet didn't think it was major ??

You should have called the vet when his leg was all swollen for no reason. And to ask advice on here about whether you should call the vet now as he can't move
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So you say that, of 10 years of owning a horse, you don't know the signs of laminitis?
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Sorry, but you come across as someone who lacks basic horsemanship
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I hope your horse will be ok and I am very glad that you called the vet.

And it is an OPEN forum so people can post what they want, and we only know as much as you tell us.
 

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I don't agree with the person that said let your horse rot etc that was taking it a bit too far but the majority were only telling you to get the vet out you can understand why people get heated when they think a horse is in pain that needs medical care
 

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I accept that i may have over reacted a little to start with as i am only 15 years old and maybe i jumped into fast and thought the worst - he often lies down and doesnt want to get up as he is lazy but this time things did seem worse. As a 15 year old its heard to make descisions quickly and choose but gladly my parents also thought we should ring the vet when i discussed his symptoms.

But as the vet said last night - nothing severly wrong with him and today he seems his normal self and his legs are back to normal with swelling( feel his cannon bone etc) And is eating and moving about as normal. Things ddnt seem as severe as i thought!
 

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didnt you just read my post? !! I said i had already made the descision to get the vet out before most people said that. I wouldnt just leave him to rot or die in pain! Come on - seriously.
 

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i do know the basic symptoms of lami (leaning back on hind legs, lying down etc) But wondered what others there were like does it affect all feet. And said to the vet he was alot worse before you came. and he didnt seems over concerned. it wasnt that he couldnt move it was that he was reluctant.
 

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I am going to give you some advice.
1) Get your facts right first ! I never said he had a cut on his leg before

2) read the post i posted properly

3) when i said i have owned horse for 10 years i didnt say i have learnt everything!! I learn new things each day.

4) And i was just telling you MY VET said it was RARE for a horse like mine to get laminitis!!

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I have read your OP from yesterday and all the replies as well as those on this thread. I can only say that you are obviously a very rude young woman (teenager maybe?) with a less than knowledgeable vet.
I would be very surprised if any of the experienced horse owners who tried to help you will bother again.
Those of us who have kept horses for many years know that keeping one or two horses for 10 years actually needs very little skill or knowledge, just luck. My advice would be to get yourself on a BHS horseowners course, change your vet and get your farrier out. Then the vet and farrier can work together to help your horse.
I wish your horse well!
 

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I think the majority of the replies to your post were very fair. People can only go by what you write on here, and your post made it sound like your horse was in a bad way and needed prompt veterinary attention, so that is the advice people gave to you.

I also agree with the posters who say that lack of knowledge about the basic symptoms of laminitis, and a poor understanding of when a vet should be called, would indicate that brushing up on horsemastership skills might be advantageous.

Remember, if in doubt about getting the vet out, you can always ring them and discuss the case over the phone with them first. Much better than getting veterinary advice over an internet forum from strangers who don't know you and your horse.
 

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I think one thing you've got to remember with the written word is that there is no obvious emotion in it, unless smileys are used - something may come across as agressive or sarcastic but may well have never been intended that way!

All I can say about the forum is that I have ALWAYS had really good advice given - even late last night I had a lovely HHO member PMing me about Cushings. She didn't have to spend her Sat night helping me out & giving me advice, but she did & thats because most people on here care. I think its an invaluable source of information & we should be grateful for the experience shared.
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I didn't reply to your original post, but would have written 'call the vet immediatly' as it seemed you did not like the advice given and were searching for alternative explanations (few were given!). However, you are young and posters on this forum can get worked up over welfare issues, forgetting who they are talking to may be young and inexperienced, have parents to pay vets bills etc..
In future if your horse can hardly walk its call the vet straight away time- always- I personally wouldn't have tried a herbal bute at all, and of course he looked better for the vet, he had a mild painkiller.
Hope alls going to be well for him. Don't fly off the handle and say you are leaving the forum; nobody cares less, just notch this one up as experience and move on.
 

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This is an open forum and people can say what they like...your second post is mis-guided and you really should have rung the vet given the symptoms that you described in your first post. There are a great many people on here with a lot more years experience than you at the mere age of 15 years! Most people would ring the vet straight away if they found their horse non weight bearing in the field and that is what people were advising you to do.
If you are not happy with the replies and bluntness and honesty of some of the replies then I suggest you do as you mention and not bother asking next time!
I hope your horse makes a full recovery.
 

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This is an open forum and people can say what they like...your second post is mis-guided and you really should have rung the vet given the symptoms that you described in your first post. There are a great many people on here with a lot more years experience than you at the mere age of 15 years! Most people would ring the vet straight away if they found their horse non weight bearing in the field and that is what people were advising you to do.
If you are not happy with the replies and bluntness and honesty of some of the replies then I suggest you do as you mention and not bother asking next time!

How sensible is that!
I hope your horse makes a full recovery.

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i accept that some people were just trying to tell me what to do was best but i had already made the descision quite soon after i had posted about him. And i didnt reply because i was outside. I just would have been less angry if people would have said it in a nicer way and not saying that i need to go back to basics and dont know the signs of lami - i do but i was asking is it common in all horses and what are OTHER signs. i do not wish to waste any more of my time discussing this when no it is irrevelent as my horse is fine and loads better. IF i do use this forum agian i hope to get more positive feedback and comments
 

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i accept that some people were just trying to tell me what to do was best but i had already made the descision quite soon after i had posted about him. And i didnt reply because i was outside. I just would have been less angry if people would have said it in a nicer way and not saying that i need to go back to basics and dont know the signs of lami - i do but i was asking is it common in all horses and what are OTHER signs. i do not wish to waste any more of my time discussing this when no it is irrevelent as my horse is fine and loads better. IF i do use this forum agian i hope to get more positive feedback and comments

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I accept that i may have over reacted a little to start with as i am only 15 years old and maybe i jumped into fast and thought the worst - he often lies down and doesnt want to get up as he is lazy but this time things did seem worse. As a 15 year old its heard to make descisions quickly and choose but gladly my parents also thought we should ring the vet when i discussed his symptoms.


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Don't use your age as an excuse. I'm 15 and have non horsey parents so I know how hard it is, but if your horse is in a serious condition (like you described last night) you call the vet and beg for the money later. You said in one of your posts that he could barely walk, now you are saying he was never in that much pain.
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I still don't get if this is some sort of joke, but if my horse couldn't walk, I would be on the phone to the vet so so fast. No one was nasty to you last night, just telling you to call the vet which you obviously needed to do.
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