Bethcyrilandchina
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i dint say he couldnt walk - he was very reluctant to walk. and i had made the desicion to call the vet before most of the poeple told me to. And the vet wasnt overconcered.
Gobsmacked!!!!
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Coffee_Bean
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Coffee_bean I thought you were much older than 15!
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Ah that made me smile
Thanks, glad to know I come across as mature
Coffee_bean I thought you were much older than 15!
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Ah that made me smile
Bethcyrilandchina
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i couldnt as i was outside till 11 oclock and dealing with vet and sorting out stable etc
Vizslak
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to the op, your post last night prompted a mass response from many people on here all saying the same thing to you, to call a vet.
that advice on both posts was initally completely ignored by you. You asked several times if a vet was really neccessary and in the second post told us that ypu were not planning on calling vet until monday as you believed all he could do was administer bute which in your eyes you had already done. You were told by me and others that a herbal supplement such as bute-ex was not strong enough for a laminitic and that a horse that could not weight bare would need a high dose of bute or even finadine iv as well as acp to increase blood flow and help keep him immobilised. Bute- ex is a good pain relief method in certain circumstances and does indeed act within the hour to help relief for arthritic type pains etc. You didnt intend to call a vet that evening you made that quite clear and you would not have administered the bute-ex had you intended to do so, or turned your horse back out for the night (another reason we all questioned your horsemanship, you had put a suspected laminitic back in the paddock)
However you did in the end heed the advice and call a vet, as elliesmum says a quick reply to that effect would have been nice to all the people that had promptly tried to help you.
You dont need to continue to back track on the whole thing and change the story, im sure we are all very please that in the end the vet was called and your boy seems to be better this morning. You cannot dispute the fact though that you called the vet too late (fortunately not too late for your boy to make a full recovery hopefully, but it could well have been), he should have been rung in the morning when you found cyril unable to weight bare with extremely swollen legs. You did not intend to call him for another 36 hours either. Further to that you also should not have adminstered the bute-ex because it masked the problem
when the vet did come out.
Given the points above, a post thanking people for their responses and advice last night would have been far more suitable than this one as I dont believe a vet would have been called had those responses not been made to you.
Live and learn you are young but please dont come on here and be disrespectful when people were clearly trying to help and advise you.
that advice on both posts was initally completely ignored by you. You asked several times if a vet was really neccessary and in the second post told us that ypu were not planning on calling vet until monday as you believed all he could do was administer bute which in your eyes you had already done. You were told by me and others that a herbal supplement such as bute-ex was not strong enough for a laminitic and that a horse that could not weight bare would need a high dose of bute or even finadine iv as well as acp to increase blood flow and help keep him immobilised. Bute- ex is a good pain relief method in certain circumstances and does indeed act within the hour to help relief for arthritic type pains etc. You didnt intend to call a vet that evening you made that quite clear and you would not have administered the bute-ex had you intended to do so, or turned your horse back out for the night (another reason we all questioned your horsemanship, you had put a suspected laminitic back in the paddock)
However you did in the end heed the advice and call a vet, as elliesmum says a quick reply to that effect would have been nice to all the people that had promptly tried to help you.
You dont need to continue to back track on the whole thing and change the story, im sure we are all very please that in the end the vet was called and your boy seems to be better this morning. You cannot dispute the fact though that you called the vet too late (fortunately not too late for your boy to make a full recovery hopefully, but it could well have been), he should have been rung in the morning when you found cyril unable to weight bare with extremely swollen legs. You did not intend to call him for another 36 hours either. Further to that you also should not have adminstered the bute-ex because it masked the problem
when the vet did come out.
Given the points above, a post thanking people for their responses and advice last night would have been far more suitable than this one as I dont believe a vet would have been called had those responses not been made to you.
Live and learn you are young but please dont come on here and be disrespectful when people were clearly trying to help and advise you.
MurphysMinder
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i dint say he couldnt walk - he was very reluctant to walk. and i had made the desicion to call the vet before most of the poeple told me to. And the vet wasnt overconcered.
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What you actually said was that he didn't want to move and was hobbling.
I didn't post last night as by the time I read it I presumed the vet would have been called. Imho it is far better to speak to your vet sooner rather than later, and your description did sound quite dramatic, have never known a horses fore legs swell up with laminitis, but maybe just have never seen that symptom. As I have a pony with Cushings have sadly lots of experience of laminitis and even though I have had horses for nearly 50 years if a horse of mine had shown the symptoms you described I would have been on the phone to the vet straight away.
i dint say he couldnt walk - he was very reluctant to walk. and i had made the desicion to call the vet before most of the poeple told me to. And the vet wasnt overconcered.
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What you actually said was that he didn't want to move and was hobbling.
amycov
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Coffee_bean I thought you were much older than 15!
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Ah that made me smile
Thanks, glad to know I come across as mature
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Yes, you do.
I'd like to think I do too! I'm 17. Glad to know that there are some younger people who are fairly knowledgeable. I had my head stuck in horsey books, both fact and fiction from the age of 5! I'm now constantly scouring the internet for information on various different things that I pick up from here and at the yard. It's so good to be prepared just in case it should ever happen!
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Coffee_bean I thought you were much older than 15!
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Ah that made me smile
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Yes, you do.
I'd like to think I do too! I'm 17. Glad to know that there are some younger people who are fairly knowledgeable. I had my head stuck in horsey books, both fact and fiction from the age of 5! I'm now constantly scouring the internet for information on various different things that I pick up from here and at the yard. It's so good to be prepared just in case it should ever happen!
Bowen4Horses
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as someone who did reply to last night's post (and told you to call the vet) i would like to say i too am gobsmacked.
i'm gobsmacked that you've got the nerve to backtrack so rapidly and accuse people that were genuinely trying to help you, of being horrible to you.
the reason everyone assumed you hadn't called the vet was simple. YOU SAID THAT YOU WEREN'T.
end of.
i do believe your reason was 'he'd only give bute' which you thought you'd already done by giving ButeX.
there is bitching on this forum. there is also a lot of good advice... last night was most certainly good advice. you should be thanking people.
i'm gobsmacked that you've got the nerve to backtrack so rapidly and accuse people that were genuinely trying to help you, of being horrible to you.
the reason everyone assumed you hadn't called the vet was simple. YOU SAID THAT YOU WEREN'T.
end of.
i do believe your reason was 'he'd only give bute' which you thought you'd already done by giving ButeX.
there is bitching on this forum. there is also a lot of good advice... last night was most certainly good advice. you should be thanking people.
kildalton
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You also write correctly spelt literate English, all too rare these days .
AmyMay
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There are only three things that you need to take away from this episode.
1. If the horse is so bad it needs medicating before it leaves the field - call the vet to the field.
2. Never administer any type of meds prior to the arrival of the vet.
3. And it doesn't matter how long you've owned horses - you can still improve your knowledge of the basics. It takes breathtaking arrogance to think otherwise.
Hope your horse recovers quickly.
1. If the horse is so bad it needs medicating before it leaves the field - call the vet to the field.
2. Never administer any type of meds prior to the arrival of the vet.
3. And it doesn't matter how long you've owned horses - you can still improve your knowledge of the basics. It takes breathtaking arrogance to think otherwise.
Hope your horse recovers quickly.
itsme123
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To be fair to you OP, in over 23 years of being around horses, having loaned, worked on various yards etc... I never knew the symptoms of lami (except for the rocking horse stance) until i saw it for myself. But always knew if in doubt call the vet.
You slowly learn how to word things on this forum... so as to not get a negative response.
You slowly learn how to word things on this forum... so as to not get a negative response.
lannerch
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And why am I so highly suspicious this is a troll post?
I cannot believe anyone in real life can be so blazey about a horse that is so sore it cannot stand!
And I cannot believe anyone would really expect a herbal bute substitute to work in a few hours, or that a vet said that laminitis is rare in a horse!
And I cannot believe anyone who was 15 can really think they are an expert with 10 years experiance, can you remember much at 5?
If this 'reallly' is a genuine post, then poster please take note of all the genuine concerns from every single reply instead of taking offence and hedd the genuine and for most part excellant advice given.
Ask your self why all the posts more or less said the same and learn from your mistakes because next time may be too late!
I cannot believe anyone in real life can be so blazey about a horse that is so sore it cannot stand!
And I cannot believe anyone would really expect a herbal bute substitute to work in a few hours, or that a vet said that laminitis is rare in a horse!
And I cannot believe anyone who was 15 can really think they are an expert with 10 years experiance, can you remember much at 5?
If this 'reallly' is a genuine post, then poster please take note of all the genuine concerns from every single reply instead of taking offence and hedd the genuine and for most part excellant advice given.
Ask your self why all the posts more or less said the same and learn from your mistakes because next time may be too late!
Coffee_Bean
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You also write correctly spelt literate English, all too rare these days .
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What me or amycov??
amycov- Yes I thought you were older than 17 too
You also write correctly spelt literate English, all too rare these days .
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What me or amycov??
amycov- Yes I thought you were older than 17 too
Bowen4Horses
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There are only three things that you need to take away from this episode.
1. If the horse is so bad it needs medicating before it leaves the field - call the vet to the field.
2. Never administer any type of meds prior to the arrival of the vet.
3. And it doesn't matter how long you've owned horses - you can still improve your knowledge of the basics. It takes breathtaking arrogance to think otherwise.
Hope your horse recovers quickly.
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excellent advice! x
There are only three things that you need to take away from this episode.
1. If the horse is so bad it needs medicating before it leaves the field - call the vet to the field.
2. Never administer any type of meds prior to the arrival of the vet.
3. And it doesn't matter how long you've owned horses - you can still improve your knowledge of the basics. It takes breathtaking arrogance to think otherwise.
Hope your horse recovers quickly.
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excellent advice! x
kildalton
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Both of you !
flowerlady
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i couldnt as i was outside till 11 oclock and dealing with vet and sorting out stable etc
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If your horse is kept at home then someone in your family must know what they are doing around horses as surely you alone are unable to know when the horse really needs a vet? If you have been around horses for 10 years then you would hardly have been anywhere near competent at between 5 to 12 at least so.
1) This question should have been in veterinary
2) If you ask for advice especially as people reading what you put is the only indication of what is wrong with your horse then if you were as you say going to ring the vet anyway. WHY did you say you would ring them in a couple of days?
You need to get someone who knows a lot more than you to check your horse for you (I am not being funny or nasty). The old saying would certainly have applied (IF IN DOUBT CALL THE VET before you give them anything you should have spoke to the vet on the phone at least).
Because you gave your horse Bute X or whatever which would have masked some symptoms then your vet would not have seen the full extent of his symptoms.
You should have informed your parents as soon as your horse was ill.
I really hope he has a full recovery. I know sometimes everyone can get a little over excited on here but they do only mean to help and they worry that nothing is being done. If you had just said when you were told how bad things could be that you were logging off to call the vet people wouldn't have got so wound up worrying about your horse for you. I hope that makes sense. Sometimes it's hard over the internet to say what we mean that's why we have to think before we finally post.
i couldnt as i was outside till 11 oclock and dealing with vet and sorting out stable etc
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If your horse is kept at home then someone in your family must know what they are doing around horses as surely you alone are unable to know when the horse really needs a vet? If you have been around horses for 10 years then you would hardly have been anywhere near competent at between 5 to 12 at least so.
1) This question should have been in veterinary
2) If you ask for advice especially as people reading what you put is the only indication of what is wrong with your horse then if you were as you say going to ring the vet anyway. WHY did you say you would ring them in a couple of days?
You need to get someone who knows a lot more than you to check your horse for you (I am not being funny or nasty). The old saying would certainly have applied (IF IN DOUBT CALL THE VET before you give them anything you should have spoke to the vet on the phone at least).
Because you gave your horse Bute X or whatever which would have masked some symptoms then your vet would not have seen the full extent of his symptoms.
You should have informed your parents as soon as your horse was ill.
I really hope he has a full recovery. I know sometimes everyone can get a little over excited on here but they do only mean to help and they worry that nothing is being done. If you had just said when you were told how bad things could be that you were logging off to call the vet people wouldn't have got so wound up worrying about your horse for you. I hope that makes sense. Sometimes it's hard over the internet to say what we mean that's why we have to think before we finally post.
amycov
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I think it helps that my mum is a teacher. I was taught correct spelling and grammar from a young age. Embarrassingly enough she was also my class teacher in primary school for a good few years!
flowerlady
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I accept that i may have over reacted a little to start with as i am only 15 years old and maybe i jumped into fast and thought the worst - he often lies down and doesnt want to get up as he is lazy but this time things did seem worse. As a 15 year old its heard to make descisions quickly and choose but gladly my parents also thought we should ring the vet when i discussed his symptoms.
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Don't use your age as an excuse. I'm 15 and have non horsey parents so I know how hard it is, but if your horse is in a serious condition (like you described last night) you call the vet and beg for the money later. You said in one of your posts that he could barely walk, now you are saying he was never in that much pain.
I still don't get if this is some sort of joke, but if my horse couldn't walk, I would be on the phone to the vet so so fast. No one was nasty to you last night, just telling you to call the vet which you obviously needed to do.
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Coffee_Bean
I cannot beleive you are only 15? Off to the CR young lady (Only joking)
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I accept that i may have over reacted a little to start with as i am only 15 years old and maybe i jumped into fast and thought the worst - he often lies down and doesnt want to get up as he is lazy but this time things did seem worse. As a 15 year old its heard to make descisions quickly and choose but gladly my parents also thought we should ring the vet when i discussed his symptoms.
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Don't use your age as an excuse. I'm 15 and have non horsey parents so I know how hard it is, but if your horse is in a serious condition (like you described last night) you call the vet and beg for the money later. You said in one of your posts that he could barely walk, now you are saying he was never in that much pain.
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Coffee_Bean
I cannot beleive you are only 15? Off to the CR young lady (Only joking)
Vizslak
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And why am I so highly suspicious this is a troll post?
I cannot believe anyone in real life can be so blazey about a horse that is so sore it cannot stand!
And I cannot believe anyone would really expect a herbal bute substitute to work in a few hours, or that a vet said that laminitis is rare in a horse!
And I cannot believe anyone who was 15 can really think they are an expert with 10 years experiance, can you remember much at 5?
If this 'reallly' is a genuine post, then poster please take note of all the genuine concerns from every single reply instead of taking offence and hedd the genuine and for most part excellant advice given.
Ask your self why all the posts more or less said the same and learn from your mistakes because next time may be too late!
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in her defence bute-ex does work within an hour, its aimed at arthritic type pain in horses to alieviate discomfort before work and should be adminstered an hour before work, it does differ to other herbal supplements that need to be fed daily and build up in the system.
it shouldnt have been used in this case though, its not a treatment for lammi or a substitute for a proper medical consultation with a vet, esp in a case as serious as this one. Neither is it as effective as bute as the op thought.
And why am I so highly suspicious this is a troll post?
I cannot believe anyone in real life can be so blazey about a horse that is so sore it cannot stand!
And I cannot believe anyone would really expect a herbal bute substitute to work in a few hours, or that a vet said that laminitis is rare in a horse!
And I cannot believe anyone who was 15 can really think they are an expert with 10 years experiance, can you remember much at 5?
If this 'reallly' is a genuine post, then poster please take note of all the genuine concerns from every single reply instead of taking offence and hedd the genuine and for most part excellant advice given.
Ask your self why all the posts more or less said the same and learn from your mistakes because next time may be too late!
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in her defence bute-ex does work within an hour, its aimed at arthritic type pain in horses to alieviate discomfort before work and should be adminstered an hour before work, it does differ to other herbal supplements that need to be fed daily and build up in the system.
it shouldnt have been used in this case though, its not a treatment for lammi or a substitute for a proper medical consultation with a vet, esp in a case as serious as this one. Neither is it as effective as bute as the op thought.
kildalton
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It was bad enough having a Mum who was a dinner lady who found out all the naughty things I got up to !
piebaldsparkle
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i dint say he couldnt walk - he was very reluctant to walk. and i had made the desicion to call the vet before most of the poeple told me to. And the vet wasnt overconcered.
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Um sorry but that is bollocks. You originally posted @ 12:30, you then posted an update @ about 8:30pm and were still online till gone 9pm.
Anyone with an onuce of common sense you have called the vet as soon as they found him reluctant to stand/walk, not have trapsed off to the tack shop and then come on here.
Plus you kept saying you were going to wait till Monday. Age is no excuse for ignorance. I suggest you switch a jumping lesson for a stable management one.
P.S. I'm glad your horse is now more comfortable and I wish it a speedy recovery.
i dint say he couldnt walk - he was very reluctant to walk. and i had made the desicion to call the vet before most of the poeple told me to. And the vet wasnt overconcered.
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Um sorry but that is bollocks. You originally posted @ 12:30, you then posted an update @ about 8:30pm and were still online till gone 9pm.
Anyone with an onuce of common sense you have called the vet as soon as they found him reluctant to stand/walk, not have trapsed off to the tack shop and then come on here.
Plus you kept saying you were going to wait till Monday. Age is no excuse for ignorance. I suggest you switch a jumping lesson for a stable management one.
P.S. I'm glad your horse is now more comfortable and I wish it a speedy recovery.
destiny11
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Can't be bothered to trawl through all this - just wanted to say glad horsey is ok and that I think Cyril is a seriously cool name
Taboo1968
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All I shall say is - The truth obviously hurt then!!!!!
And I for one, still stand by everything I said in the "UPDATE" post......
However I am glad to hear that the horse is now a lot better and has received veterinary attention.
And I for one, still stand by everything I said in the "UPDATE" post......
However I am glad to hear that the horse is now a lot better and has received veterinary attention.
Cobbysmum
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The H&H forum is a wonderful place, with (apart from trolls) friendly people and good advice, it can never, however, substitute professional consultation, advice and treatment which vets can offer. I would far sooner contact my vet and then tell H&H about it than the other way round. Fortunately it is not often (touch wood) that I need to do so, with 40 years experience and working on hunting, racing and riding school yards I have met a lot of horsey problems, a significant amount of which I know how to treat. I would still not hesitate to get a professional opinion on a problem which puzzled me, especially if I thought my horse was in pain and the vet could give relief. I'm glad to hear the horse is much better.
SnowPhony
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I have to say from the tone of the OP that a certain young lady really needs to sort her attitude out. You have come across extremely rude and obnoxious while on the defensive. You asked for advice, and you got it.
No one has said you don't look after your horse, yet many people cannot get their heads around the fact that you suspected laminitis and dragged your feet on calling a vet.
I have to say though....I do wonder if this is all just one big wind up trying to get a reaction, if thats the case then well done because it worked!
No one has said you don't look after your horse, yet many people cannot get their heads around the fact that you suspected laminitis and dragged your feet on calling a vet.
I have to say though....I do wonder if this is all just one big wind up trying to get a reaction, if thats the case then well done because it worked!
Rowreach
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It pains me to admit this, but I have had horses for over [cough] 40 years, and have worked with them for 26. I have a good relationship with my equine vet, and frequently text or ring him for advice when I need to, and at the same time I know if I rang him at home at 2 in the morning and said "come now" then he would.
There have been many times when I have told him what was wrong with a horse, and he has confirmed my diagnosis
, and plenty of times when he has told me what is wrong and what I need to do about it.
I have a lot of horses on the yard, and I can honestly say that I DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING and I learn something new every day (quite often from HHO).
To the OP, please, in future, if in doubt, ring the vet, and if the vet gives you bum advice (like laminitis is rare in this type of horse) then get another one who knows what he is talking about.
And if you want to flounce out of this forum, nobody will mind, but you will be missing out as there really are a lot of helpful people on here
There have been many times when I have told him what was wrong with a horse, and he has confirmed my diagnosis
I have a lot of horses on the yard, and I can honestly say that I DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING and I learn something new every day (quite often from HHO).
To the OP, please, in future, if in doubt, ring the vet, and if the vet gives you bum advice (like laminitis is rare in this type of horse) then get another one who knows what he is talking about.
And if you want to flounce out of this forum, nobody will mind, but you will be missing out as there really are a lot of helpful people on here
fizzer
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What amazes me is that some people think their type or breed cant get lami. Get real, ALL horses and ponies can get lami. really p.. s me off this subject.
ForeverBroke_
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Totally Agree. I have a tb x and he came close to laminitus early this year where he just balooned and i couldn't get it off him quick enough. Now he's a little bit fatter than i want, but even someone suggesting that he could be close was enough to send me packing.
Also, as an example. A pure Hanoverian got it up my yard last week. He's ridden 6 days a week and ridden properly, using himself etc and he's on just 2lb of hay a night. What more can i say.
Also, as an example. A pure Hanoverian got it up my yard last week. He's ridden 6 days a week and ridden properly, using himself etc and he's on just 2lb of hay a night. What more can i say.
Bethcyrilandchina
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i actually never said i wasnt going to call the vet !! Get your facts right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ForeverBroke_
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Wow i worded that badly. Woops!
Bethcyrilandchina
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in a matter of fact i didnt KEEP saying i am going to wait until monday!!