Going to see some GSD puppies tonight....

MurphysMinder said:
Ermm hate to say it but actually don't agree the breeders are responsible. Purely cos blue is a non-standard colour which responsible breeders used to give away with their papers endorsed "not for breeding". I had 2 blues in a litter once, and this is what I did, to sell them for £650 is wrong imho.
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Oh well :rolleyes: (*hangs head in shame* I don't know a lot about GSD :o) thought they were local to OP that OP didn't want to breed, came with puppy care pack etc and parents etc could all be viewed... Why would you not breed them (some genetic flaw or just because of the colour?)
 
WHOAH - stop the horse!

RIGHT -
Jake Kinkontaiz are NOT responsible breeders!!
Argh! NO! They breed a non standard colour, for the sake of it, no mention of hip scores or any other health tests on that ad, she blows on her website about selling a pup to Jay Kay from Jamiroquai but doesn't say she bugged him for months to use an untested dog she sold him as a pet for stud, and then when he lost the plot and told her to piss off, she ran crying to the News of The World!!!

For what it's worth, my two, well bred, (Pink papers from Germany - so parents have all health tests, working quals/also IKC registered) tatooed, DNA'd (and registered to the German SV database), microchipped were £300 each at six months.

The man we bought them off is a multimillionaire. No joke.
He has been breeding for 50 years. He has bred two of the top young dogs to show in Germany in the modern era, which is a big achievement, not being German. He has never made a penny from dogs. NOT ONE. Because he does it properly.

People we know are trying to sell longcoats (can't/shouldn't be bred or shown) for £700 by a VA5 (fifth best dog in the world, basically) dog, and they are being laughed at by the local breed fraternity

Minmax you have asked for help and I have provided it and will continue to provide it but as someone who has been involved in the breed my whole life and spends almost every day emailing, phoning, visiting, fighting, bitching, training, for the betterment of this wonderful breed, can I please ask you to hold off and listen to what knowledgeable people are saying and hold off to find something a bit 'more', I do not breed, I do not show in the breed ring, I have no axe to grind, just the promotion of the correct, healthy, good character German Shepherd Dog.

Bonny if a vet said a (loose, has another nine months to develop!!!) six month old puppy was crippled for life because of 'growing pains' I would change vets, what a load of old tosh.

I am getting pissed off with the amount of vets condemning dogs for having bad hips (including one at my practise), when in fact hip x-rays which actually determine whether a dog has HD have confirmed they are actually very good (my dog had hurt his back, all better now!!!) overshot jaws which need surgery (WHAT?!) and other such **** when they have no idea about the breed.
 
CaveCanem said:
WHOAH - stop the horse!

RIGHT -
Jake Kinkontaiz are NOT responsible breeders!!
Argh! NO! They breed a non standard colour, for the sake of it, no mention of hip scores or any other health tests on that ad, she blows on her website about selling a pup to Jay Kay from Jamiroquai but doesn't say she bugged him for months to use an untested dog she sold him as a pet for stud, and then when he lost the plot and told her to piss off, she ran crying to the News of The World!!!
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Ahh sorry only looked at ad. (soft touch who falls for cute puppy faces - probably why I only ever go and see 1 litter before I buy :rolleyes: )
 
Yeah, that's how a lot of people get sucked in....I repeat ALL PUPPIES ARE CUTE! and it should be the last reason in the world why you should by one, especially when it is a Krazy Kolour, as Fugly Horse of The Day would say :p

Blues and livers are beautiful. There is no denying it.

But when you have:

Black
Bi-colour (all black with red points, must have tar-heels and striping on feet to be true)
Black and tan
Black and gold (red gold, pale gold, dark black and gold)
Sable (All variants! Grey, black, red, gold)

As standard colours, to people really, really need to be breeding specifically for blues, whites, livers, pandas and some of the ridiculous variations of such 'chiffon' 'champagne' 'reverse masks' - NO - it's ££££ if you ask me.....fine, if they put as much emphasis on character, health, construction, working ability as they did colour...but...I've yet to see it.
 
minmax said:
Found some farm bred pups, not ready for a couple of weeks but going to see them and maybe choose one. Have emailed alsorts of people but some want a million pounds and some havn't any pups atm. I wondered if anyone had any questions they think I should ask??? ( this will be my 5th GSD)
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I know you feel that everyone is picking on you .... but why bother asking for advice as above when it appears that whatever anyone says your just going to buy one anyway?
 
ridebumble said:
I know you feel that everyone is picking on you .... but why bother asking for advice as above when it appears that whatever anyone says your just going to buy one anyway?
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As you have pulled my original post up, you will see I asked for questions people thought I should ask, not advice.
 
I did thankyou. Though I am not going to discuss other peoples business on a public forum.
What I will tell you is that I paid less for the one I have already. He also isn't KC reg.
I'm sure everyone on here who breeds is on the level but I do know that a lot of the KC is clicky, who you know etc. This from people in the no, that is why I am looking at alsorts of pups, KC or not.
Its the same in every 'club' be it horses or dogs.
Like I said, thanks for all everyones help, I have asked some of your questions.
 
Also, I have nothing whatsoever to do with the KC, my dogs are not registered to it and I don't compete under their rules and have not done for some time, so don't think I have an axe to grind there, either - it is a private member's club, they make their money from registrations and seem to be reluctant to accept constant calls to make health tests/adequate results of those health tests for the GSD as mandatory for registration.

BUT where you are, it is the only authentic breed registration available to most people and there IS a much higher likelihood, if people have their dogs registered to it, they will also have their dog's health tests carried out.
 
Can I ask another numbty breeding question ? What's to stop breeders making up the breeding of their litters ? As far as I know, which isn't alot, you simply have to say what dog was used and back come the papers. In fact I know someone who did exactly that, bred their lab to 2 dogs, the 2nd sucessfully, but the 1st dog was much better bred so they said he was the sire !
 
Oh it happens definitely, some people contacted us when we had a stud dog asking if we could send pictures of him as they had bought a puppy by him. Only they hadn't because we knew damn well he hadn't mated the bitch in question, just someone trying to pull a fast one.:( Nowadays it is possible to get dogs DNA tested, so it proves sire and dam. It also used to happen with hip scoring, breeders taking a dog they knew had good hips to be scored in place of one they weren't too sure about, but nowadays the vet has to put identification such as tattoo or microchip number on to the x ray and score sheet so that has stopped that little game.
 
bonny said:
Can I ask another numbty breeding question ? What's to stop breeders making up the breeding of their litters ? As far as I know, which isn't alot, you simply have to say what dog was used and back come the papers. In fact I know someone who did exactly that, bred their lab to 2 dogs, the 2nd sucessfully, but the 1st dog was much better bred so they said he was the sire !
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Well if its not your stud dog the stufg owner gets a letter from the KC saying X has said that your dog was the sire ... is this true .. you then contest if required. In German Shepherds DNA testing is coming in more these days... One Kennel whose name I can't remeber was banned from the KC for making up pedigrees
 
My dogs are DNA'd, microchipped and tattooed, as all GSDs should be IMHO.
At our shows you cannot enter the ring without at least one of the latter two methods of ID and all dogs are scanned/have ears checked before they go through.

As mentioned, some breeders/kennels used to get away with all sorts. Not so much, anymore :D
 
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