Going to view a horse!

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AShetlandBitMeOnce said:
Oh god, you'd be better off setting fire to your money!

I have forgotten what your spec/budget is I won't lie, but I really like this guy https://www.horsequest.co.uk/advertisment/370220
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You are paying a huge premium for the RIHS ticket. Worth it if showing is your thing, not so much if you just want a nice horse. Plus is worries me having worked on a top class show yard, just how metabolically damaged ex show horses are.
 
Waxwing said:
I would agree that anything under 10k appears to look suspect, at least at present. I have just seen an ad on Horsequest that looks like a possible. It gave a trade telephone number but no name. Having put the number into Facebook its Anna Goldingg, one of the more notorious dealers known near to me.
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Like a Shetland said AG not good on many sites for the wrong reason allegedly
 
I'm Dun said:
You are paying a huge premium for the RIHS ticket. Worth it if showing is your thing, not so much if you just want a nice horse. Plus is worries me having worked on a top class show yard, just how metabolically damaged ex show horses are.
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TBH just about anything can qualify for the RI nowadays, the fact that he's been placed at HOYS and qualified twice is what will be bumping his price up.
 
minesadouble said:
TBH just about anything can qualify for the RI nowadays, the fact that he's been placed at HOYS and qualified twice is what will be bumping his price up.
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I probably should have put that, he's a cracking buy for an amateur wanting to get to HOYS. Such a beautiful face as well. But for anyone else he's a big price and Id worry about the metabolic stuff having seen what goes on.
 
This is a general query, I am not planning on viewing said horse. A horse that sounded potentially suitable that was advertised by a reputable sales livery is now re-available following a failed vetting due to being pigeon toed on one fore and one hind. The horse is over the age of ten and according the advert never had any heath issues relating to this. The price has gone from low five figures to just under 10k. My general query is would people consider a horse that is pigeon toed and is the market such that people will still consider purchasing what reads as being a good all rounder for what is still a considerable amount of money with a "failed" vetting. I appreciate vettings aren't pass or fail as such. I also fully appreciate good horses cost a lot of time and money to produce and I am prepared to save up and pay what is required. However 10k is still a lot of anyone's money and unless you have a financial windfall takes time for everyone to save up.
 
Waxwing said:
This is a general query, I am not planning on viewing said horse. A horse that sounded potentially suitable that was advertised by a reputable sales livery is now re-available following a failed vetting due to being pigeon toed on one near and one hind. The horse is over the age of ten and according the advert never had any heath issues relating to this. The price has gone from low five figures to just under 10k. My general query is would people consider a horse that is pigeon toed and is the market such that people will still consider purchasing what reads as being a good all rounder for what is still a considerable amount of money with a "failed" vetting. I appreciate vettings aren't pass or fail as such. I also fully appreciate good horses cost a lot of time and money to produce and I am prepared to save up and pay what is required. However 10k is still a lot of anyone's money and unless you have a financial windfall takes time for everyone to save up.
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Yes, lots of people will pay good money for horses with failed vettings. Usually provided the horse is doing the job intended.
 
Waxwing said:
This is a general query, I am not planning on viewing said horse. A horse that sounded potentially suitable that was advertised by a reputable sales livery is now re-available following a failed vetting due to being pigeon toed on one fore and one hind. The horse is over the age of ten and according the advert never had any heath issues relating to this. The price has gone from low five figures to just under 10k. My general query is would people consider a horse that is pigeon toed and is the market such that people will still consider purchasing what reads as being a good all rounder for what is still a considerable amount of money with a "failed" vetting. I appreciate vettings aren't pass or fail as such. I also fully appreciate good horses cost a lot of time and money to produce and I am prepared to save up and pay what is required. However 10k is still a lot of anyone's money and unless you have a financial windfall takes time for everyone to save up.
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It would seem odd to me that a horse would fail simply for being pigeon toed unless it wasn't sound on those limbs or they were so bad the vet didn't think the horse would stand up to any kind of work.

I've had horses vetted with confo defects and they've never not been deemed suitable because of that. Rocky's a bit toe-out on both fronts which the vet noted but it was never an issue enough to be deemed a fail. I'd be suspicious.
 
IrishMilo said:
It would seem odd to me that a horse would fail simply for being pigeon toed unless it wasn't sound on those limbs or they were so bad the vet didn't think the horse would stand up to any kind of work.

I've had horses vetted with confo defects and they've never not been deemed suitable because of that. Rocky's a bit toe-out on both fronts which the vet noted but it was never an issue enough to be deemed a fail. I'd be suspicious.
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Would they fail a horse if the buyer wanted it for showing? Would pigeon toes affect showing potential?
Sorry, just pondering.
 
Waxwing said:
The price has gone from low five figures to just under 10k.
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This means that the purchaser will not need xrays to get the horse insured. One that I had vetted failed due to kissing spines and the price was dropped below 10k from £13k.

Without seeing the vetting and what the prior purchaser had stated as the required use of the horse you don't know whether this is significant or not. If they wanted to compete at a high level and you are looking for a happy hacker then the horse might well pass for that purpose. You also don't know if there is something else on the vetting and the sellers are lying about the reason for failure. Sadly sellers do lie when there is such a lot of money involved.
 
Waxwing said:
This is a general query, I am not planning on viewing said horse. A horse that sounded potentially suitable that was advertised by a reputable sales livery is now re-available following a failed vetting due to being pigeon toed on one fore and one hind. The horse is over the age of ten and according the advert never had any heath issues relating to this. The price has gone from low five figures to just under 10k. My general query is would people consider a horse that is pigeon toed and is the market such that people will still consider purchasing what reads as being a good all rounder for what is still a considerable amount of money with a "failed" vetting. I appreciate vettings aren't pass or fail as such. I also fully appreciate good horses cost a lot of time and money to produce and I am prepared to save up and pay what is required. However 10k is still a lot of anyone's money and unless you have a financial windfall takes time for everyone to save up.
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Lily passed a vetting despite being pigeon toed, at 10, but i wouldn’t have paid 10k for her!

I suppose if it’s proven in whatever it’s doing, and clearly hasn’t had any issues from the feet, then possibly - but raises the question on why it’s failed due to that?
 
It's also important to understand what it was being vetted for. High level showing/competing could understand why it failed as may not be suitable (which is what a fail is these days). Could be worth a chat with the seller to see how much info they are able to share ref the 'failed' vetting.
 
Funnily enough my friend just had a potential purchase 'fail' due to being pigeon toed. The vet's explanation was that it could potentially cause a soundness problem in the future. For a 10 year old who has been in consistent verifiable work I would take a punt although I would ask to see the previous vetting although there is no guarantee it would be shared. I would certainly vet said horse though.
 
It strikes me as strange that the horse is said to be pigeon toed on one fore and one hind leg.

Strange enough that it's only one foreleg, but even more strange to be 'pigeon toed' behind. The term itself usually only refers to front feet to the best of my knowledge.

Hind foot imbalance always suggests trouble higher up to me, especially if it's only in one foot.

And only one front foot being pigeon toed suggests it might not just be an innocent, passive, conformational issue.


Happy to bow to others' greater knowledge on this score though.
 
Waxwing said:
This is a general query, I am not planning on viewing said horse. A horse that sounded potentially suitable that was advertised by a reputable sales livery is now re-available following a failed vetting due to being pigeon toed on one fore and one hind. The horse is over the age of ten and according the advert never had any heath issues relating to this. The price has gone from low five figures to just under 10k. My general query is would people consider a horse that is pigeon toed and is the market such that people will still consider purchasing what reads as being a good all rounder for what is still a considerable amount of money with a "failed" vetting. I appreciate vettings aren't pass or fail as such. I also fully appreciate good horses cost a lot of time and money to produce and I am prepared to save up and pay what is required. However 10k is still a lot of anyone's money and unless you have a financial windfall takes time for everyone to save up.
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I saw the same post and have to admit I did think it was still a lot of money when a vet had clearly raised a ? over its ongoing soundness.
 
I saw the same post, and found it a bit odd. Also surprised that it's still up for a fair bit of money, although does seem to be a 'genuine' allrounder type, as think it had been out to a show the weekend before (if I'm thinking of the right one).
What put me off more was the wording as sort of seemed to be having a go at the potential buyer for walking away.
 
I suppose the problem is the vets feeling like they have to cover their backs and quite rightly so, everyone is looking for someone to blame when things go wrong. Vet most likely said ‘could’ cause issues in the future and the buyer has chosen to walk away and not take the risk. Horse may not have ‘failed’ the vetting as such. Everyone’s different on the level of risk they are prepared to take and insurance companies have alot to answer for in that respect! We have a horse with the most beautiful conformation that has been wrong since age 5 and retired age 7, and one with the wonkiest conformation who has worked hard since age 3 and still going strong age 13. Luck has alot to play in it!
 
Years ago I had a PRE I was interested in fail a vetting due to being very pigeon toed. I assumed that as she was 9 and had had no problems she'd be fine, but the vet said no, that was the age things would start to go wrong, and it was a question of when, not if.
 
I might be remembering this wrong, but wasn't the old wisdom that pigeon toed etc was OK if its in both front feet but to avoid if its just one..?

I'm probably mixing it up with something else but I think I'd probably be wary of a horse with one affected fore and one affected hind.
 
southerncomfort said:
I might be remembering this wrong, but wasn't the old wisdom that pigeon toed etc was OK if its in both front feet but to avoid if its just one..?

I'm probably mixing it up with something else but I think I'd probably be wary of a horse with one affected fore and one affected hind.
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That was always my understanding too. I've known a few horses over the years equally pigeon toed who have been sound into old age. Logically having only one wonky leg must be worse than having two legs wonky in the same way. I may be wrong!
 
It does appear at present as prices are high and demand for family all rounder types is strong some sellers are still expecting the same or just a slight reduction in price, where an issue has been picked up in a vetting. I am on a Whats App group for another dealer with a very good reputation and they have just re-advertised a horse for what appears to be the original price after it failed a vetting on a small circle. The add effectively states that any minor issues are outweighed by how good the horse is. I fully appreciate vettings are only on the day and any issues picked up may be minor and potentially not impact on the job you would like to do. However 10k plus on a horse/ pony is likely to reflect someone saving hard for one to two years to buy said horse/ pony and it is harder to justify spending that much when a concern has already been picked up.
 
Have you seen this one @Birker2020 ?
Can't remember if you were a hard no on greys, but otherwise he sounds like he ticks your boxes

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Fabulous Irish Draught Gelding - Right Horse Right Home

Spirit of Sligo, aka Silver is a top class Irish Draught gelding. He is very much a traditional type of horse, having 10″ of good clean bone. He oozes class. You’d have to look far and wide to find another of this type these days, they are rare. Silver was imported from Ireland to my […]
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DabDab said:
Have you seen this one @Birker2020 ?
Can't remember if you were a hard no on greys, but otherwise he sounds like he ticks your boxes

www.righthorserighthome.co.uk

Fabulous Irish Draught Gelding - Right Horse Right Home

Spirit of Sligo, aka Silver is a top class Irish Draught gelding. He is very much a traditional type of horse, having 10″ of good clean bone. He oozes class. You’d have to look far and wide to find another of this type these days, they are rare. Silver was imported from Ireland to my […]
www.righthorserighthome.co.uk www.righthorserighthome.co.uk
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What a lovely advert to read. They seem to really adore him
 
I am still finding the horse market interesting at present. I expressed an interest in a horse who from a picture and a brief description sounds like they might be potentially suitable, who is advertised by a dealer with a very good reputation. The seller then asked when I wanted to view, without offering any further information/pictures videos. I would definitely be interested but wanted some more pictures and at least one video first so I can get feedback from my instructor. If nothing else I don't want to waste the sellers time if my instructor thinks I am inherently unsuitable for the horse. The response I got was videos would be available later on their social media and I could look there. I fully appreciate that this person may be inundated with enquiries and wants to weed out potential time wasters, but equally I am not going to make a decision to view based on one photo and a two line description. This horse is low five figures so not an inconsiderable amount of money.

I also found another horse on Horsequest that I liked the look of; having cross referenced the phone number on Facebook and done some Googling it is for sale with a dealer in Ireland who featured in a interesting RTE documentary.

The horse market is a much harder place to be that it was even two years ago. The last time round there were several I wanted to view, who sold before I could do so, but at least they were out there.
 
I'm still looking also WW and it remains slim pickings even with the enlarged budget I've conceeded I will need to spend to get anything near what my daughter and I would like or need. I just can't get over the fact that a 3.5k horse is as likely to break as a 13.5K horse. As an aside the vet is coming out to see coblet today for the first time in 3 months, since he was turned away in January. He's not great tbh and this afternoon may involve that "is it time" conversation. Sometimes I think I'm not cut out for horse ownership and its an expensive way for heartbreak x
 
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