madhector
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Then really you should be asking what are the easy Intermediates?
good novices??
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worMy
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is that the same sj and dressage wise? If there are marks in the 20s and 30s is the stressage too easy? lol
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sj yes, because the sj might be small or untechnical. so it may be far to easy for what it shud be.
dressage no, because all novice competitions have the same level dressage test, they have to be a novice test, therefore there is no discrepency between competitions, so if someone gets a really good mark, then they are simply good at it. and say its a kind judge,,everyone in that section has the same judge, so its fair.
so dressage cant be too easy for what it shud be at a certain level, but sj and xc can be.
is that the same sj and dressage wise? If there are marks in the 20s and 30s is the stressage too easy? lol
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sj yes, because the sj might be small or untechnical. so it may be far to easy for what it shud be.
dressage no, because all novice competitions have the same level dressage test, they have to be a novice test, therefore there is no discrepency between competitions, so if someone gets a really good mark, then they are simply good at it. and say its a kind judge,,everyone in that section has the same judge, so its fair.
so dressage cant be too easy for what it shud be at a certain level, but sj and xc can be.
worMy
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Then really you should be asking what are the easy Intermediates?
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bahah lol--but i dont want an easy intermediate.
i want an average or hard xc at an intermediate,,but an easy showjumping and the easiest int dressage test!! hehe lol
but yeah hard big xc
Then really you should be asking what are the easy Intermediates?
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bahah lol--but i dont want an easy intermediate.
i want an average or hard xc at an intermediate,,but an easy showjumping and the easiest int dressage test!! hehe lol
but yeah hard big xc
jules89
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you will say that until you have an accident XC (which I would never wish upon someone) but even still.
worMy
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no matter what it may sound like,
im never going to go up levels untill im ready.
and yes i want xc courses that cause heaps of problems,,because thats mine and blevs strength. therefore it wud be silly to go to an event with a 'softer' xc, because i wud clearly not do so well.
not that i even see what your getting at jules...
having an accident isnt gonna put me off eventing...
i would assume u were suggesting that if i do say intermediate i will have an accident...
which, if that is what u mean, im very dissapointed with u about, because u dont know me and my horse and what hes like xc.
im never going to go up levels untill im ready.
and yes i want xc courses that cause heaps of problems,,because thats mine and blevs strength. therefore it wud be silly to go to an event with a 'softer' xc, because i wud clearly not do so well.
not that i even see what your getting at jules...
having an accident isnt gonna put me off eventing...
i would assume u were suggesting that if i do say intermediate i will have an accident...
which, if that is what u mean, im very dissapointed with u about, because u dont know me and my horse and what hes like xc.
SillyMare
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Don't want to get involved in this debate.
Not sure I would ever describe a BE novice track as 'pathetic' - mistakes can happen at any level, every course poses it's own set of challenges.
Some courses are big but inviting. Others are smaller but technical. We have done about 8 BE Novice tracks this season - wouldn't describe any of them as 'easy'.
Heaps of problems is a bad thing in my book - Novice horses should be having fun and getting around. Plenty of time for problems when they move up the ranks.
Not sure I would ever describe a BE novice track as 'pathetic' - mistakes can happen at any level, every course poses it's own set of challenges.
Some courses are big but inviting. Others are smaller but technical. We have done about 8 BE Novice tracks this season - wouldn't describe any of them as 'easy'.
Heaps of problems is a bad thing in my book - Novice horses should be having fun and getting around. Plenty of time for problems when they move up the ranks.
jules89
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I didn't mean that at all, I've not even seen you guys compete, but your record is fab XC wise, but I just disagree with who you have portrayed somethings you have said - course designers work blumin hard when designing, and to use the word "pathetic" is harsh.
Also, in a time where eventing is going through turmoil due to fatal accidents, I don't see softer XCs in certain places a bad thing - 7 fences were taken out of Blenheim before the decision was taken to cancel - yes ok this was due to ground but taking 7 fences out would have made it softer - does that mean Blenheim is pathetic??
Int (not that I can comment as I have not ridden at this level but have walked a lot of courses and spoken to a lot of people) is a big step up from novice - which is justified as it is one level before Advanced, but anyone reading this would probably recommend an easier "softer" (note not pathetic) first time Int to have a safe, fun, round.
After all, safety is paramount, especially - ESPECIALLY - in Eventing.
Also, in a time where eventing is going through turmoil due to fatal accidents, I don't see softer XCs in certain places a bad thing - 7 fences were taken out of Blenheim before the decision was taken to cancel - yes ok this was due to ground but taking 7 fences out would have made it softer - does that mean Blenheim is pathetic??
Int (not that I can comment as I have not ridden at this level but have walked a lot of courses and spoken to a lot of people) is a big step up from novice - which is justified as it is one level before Advanced, but anyone reading this would probably recommend an easier "softer" (note not pathetic) first time Int to have a safe, fun, round.
After all, safety is paramount, especially - ESPECIALLY - in Eventing.
jules89
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and please don't assume me to be something/someone I am not. I was not being harsh to you, merely suggesting you change ur wording
madhector
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Very well put!
J is a XC machine, but his SJing and dressage are his weak phases, however I would still make sure his first Novice was a softer one, even though he has jumped round most of the Intermediate track at Poplar with no problems. Same when he moves up to Intermediate.
J is a XC machine, but his SJing and dressage are his weak phases, however I would still make sure his first Novice was a softer one, even though he has jumped round most of the Intermediate track at Poplar with no problems. Same when he moves up to Intermediate.
jules89
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I still panic before going XC because, even though I have no doubt in my horse's ability, I want him to have the best round possible, and to complete with a smile, and to come back sound and not scared. I have considered every single course I have gone round this year - at West Wilts I had looked at about 7 sets of various course photos (thanks M and EWW!) and so when I got there, I wasn't panicking. I specifically made sure that the XC was a soft novice, and the sj was actually rather big, but kind.
And do you know any pro's that take their first time horses round tough tracks?
And do you know any pro's that take their first time horses round tough tracks?
worMy
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look i clearly shouldnt have used that wording..
but if u go back and look at what i said, it wasnt meant to cause anyone to get all angry with me,,i was just expressing my annoyance at doing novices where i would say the xc wasnt up to the level novice should be...
and of course at my first intermediate im not going to do a course thats known to be hard,
ill prob do one like gatcombe (seeing as im hoping for int at end of year) , where i walked the int track this year when i was doing the novice, and thought it was very do-able, even then, and we'll have had a whole nother year together by then.
please dont misunderstand me,,im not recklass
and i didnt mean a course with hundreds of penalties,,just a course that causes sufficient problems--ie' 20 penalties,,run outs and what not,,,not falls.
if there are only a small amount of clears,,and lots of falls then clearly its too tough.
so im sorry if i upset or offended anyone,
and jules im v.glad thats not what u meant, because from what ive spoken to you so far, u seem very nice.
but if u go back and look at what i said, it wasnt meant to cause anyone to get all angry with me,,i was just expressing my annoyance at doing novices where i would say the xc wasnt up to the level novice should be...
and of course at my first intermediate im not going to do a course thats known to be hard,
ill prob do one like gatcombe (seeing as im hoping for int at end of year) , where i walked the int track this year when i was doing the novice, and thought it was very do-able, even then, and we'll have had a whole nother year together by then.
please dont misunderstand me,,im not recklass
and i didnt mean a course with hundreds of penalties,,just a course that causes sufficient problems--ie' 20 penalties,,run outs and what not,,,not falls.
if there are only a small amount of clears,,and lots of falls then clearly its too tough.
so im sorry if i upset or offended anyone,
and jules im v.glad thats not what u meant, because from what ive spoken to you so far, u seem very nice.
jules89
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Thanks, because I do wish you all the best of luck, he's a lovely looking horse (I did manage to see his bottom walk past me thru the stables I think at Aldon) and don't think u r reckless but just don't rush.
worMy
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bahah lol,,well he does have a very sexy tush!
lol
and dw i wont rush. yes sure i would love to be able to do an int now--especially because novice xc doesnt challenge belv enough because he's so tallented.
but i couldnt because we couldnt do the sj and dressage.
and i dont want to screw up the striding at int, besides if we did int level sj now,,we'd prob have so many down we couldnt do the xc!!! haha lol!!
and the dressage well...i dont think he even knows how to do shoulder in yet,,well not properly anyway!
hense why we are going to work on sj and dressage over the winter,,and see how we go.
i wont do int,untill we are ready.
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and dw i wont rush. yes sure i would love to be able to do an int now--especially because novice xc doesnt challenge belv enough because he's so tallented.
but i couldnt because we couldnt do the sj and dressage.
and i dont want to screw up the striding at int, besides if we did int level sj now,,we'd prob have so many down we couldnt do the xc!!! haha lol!!
and the dressage well...i dont think he even knows how to do shoulder in yet,,well not properly anyway!
hense why we are going to work on sj and dressage over the winter,,and see how we go.
i wont do int,untill we are ready.
RachelFerd
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jules89 - you are so right in what you say about feeling brave XC until you've had a few too many things go wrong... I started eventing when I was 14 and fearless... moved up to novice just before I turned 16, and the first few went brilliantly - I was riding faster, bolder, horse was jumping briliiantly... but then I ended up having two very nasty falls which left me battered and bruised neither really my fault... but it did put a bit of fear inside me.
Became very grateful for the 'softer' novices after that!
I have to say though... novice has not been getting any easier - even if the 6 years I've been competing or spectating, the novices are getting both bigger and more technical overall... so are Pre-Novice and Intro for that matter.
You need to have some bigger than others, else the step between PN and N is too big. But I cannot think of a single novice which is free of questions, and I've walked a fair few!
Most novices are still quite tricky to make the time, unless you take the straight routes - I think you DO want the majority of horses jumping clear XC (after all the confidence of a novice horse is very important to keep solid) but those that don't go straight and bold will be reflected by their time faults.
Became very grateful for the 'softer' novices after that!
I have to say though... novice has not been getting any easier - even if the 6 years I've been competing or spectating, the novices are getting both bigger and more technical overall... so are Pre-Novice and Intro for that matter.
You need to have some bigger than others, else the step between PN and N is too big. But I cannot think of a single novice which is free of questions, and I've walked a fair few!
Most novices are still quite tricky to make the time, unless you take the straight routes - I think you DO want the majority of horses jumping clear XC (after all the confidence of a novice horse is very important to keep solid) but those that don't go straight and bold will be reflected by their time faults.
MissDeMeena
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IMO it isnt. if the course is so easy that there are barely any xc penalties, then its far to easy and a pathetic novice track.
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If 'pathetic' is the right word to use, as you say, then i'd say you're being 'pathetic' in not stepping up to Int.. and you can't use the dressage as an excuse, because i've ridden your horse, and he goes very well on the flat, and i'm sure would find an Int. dressage test alot easier than most
IMO it isnt. if the course is so easy that there are barely any xc penalties, then its far to easy and a pathetic novice track.
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If 'pathetic' is the right word to use, as you say, then i'd say you're being 'pathetic' in not stepping up to Int.. and you can't use the dressage as an excuse, because i've ridden your horse, and he goes very well on the flat, and i'm sure would find an Int. dressage test alot easier than most
worMy
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IMO it isnt. if the course is so easy that there are barely any xc penalties, then its far to easy and a pathetic novice track.
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If 'pathetic' is the right word to use, as you say, then i'd say you're being 'pathetic' in not stepping up to Int.. and you can't use the dressage as an excuse, because i've ridden your horse, and he goes very well on the flat, and i'm sure would find an Int. dressage test alot easier than most
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oh i would love to do intermediate,
but as u can see from our record,,the showjumping isnt quite going to plan, and our dressage isnt amazing,
when u rode him, he was currently being ridden by a man who evented for his living, so he would have been better schooled and easier to ride, im a 5ft 2 , 15 year old girl, of course he wont be going as well.
and so steppling up to int when we are getting 40 in the dressage, and having 2 or more showjumps down is a very vcery very stupid idea, and i think you are very stupid for suggesting it.
and im assuming you're katherine balfour, if your not then sorry, not that that affects what i sed^
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IMO it isnt. if the course is so easy that there are barely any xc penalties, then its far to easy and a pathetic novice track.
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If 'pathetic' is the right word to use, as you say, then i'd say you're being 'pathetic' in not stepping up to Int.. and you can't use the dressage as an excuse, because i've ridden your horse, and he goes very well on the flat, and i'm sure would find an Int. dressage test alot easier than most
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oh i would love to do intermediate,
but as u can see from our record,,the showjumping isnt quite going to plan, and our dressage isnt amazing,
when u rode him, he was currently being ridden by a man who evented for his living, so he would have been better schooled and easier to ride, im a 5ft 2 , 15 year old girl, of course he wont be going as well.
and so steppling up to int when we are getting 40 in the dressage, and having 2 or more showjumps down is a very vcery very stupid idea, and i think you are very stupid for suggesting it.
and im assuming you're katherine balfour, if your not then sorry, not that that affects what i sed^
Saf
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I'm sorry but really do not like the word "pathetic" about any level of eventing, nuf said
So where are these easy novices you have done, I would like to try them next year
So where are these easy novices you have done, I would like to try them next year
cheekycharley
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Im very very suprised my what I have read and feel some comments are very very immature... Eventing is dangerous, that girl that died at pauntley, jumping 3 foot max... were those pathetic jumps?
I think that when courses are concidered 'pathetic' that could be when you are most likely to have an accident, with becoming complacent etc. I do worry about mine and my horses safey even if I was jumping an intro... accidents happen.
I think that when courses are concidered 'pathetic' that could be when you are most likely to have an accident, with becoming complacent etc. I do worry about mine and my horses safey even if I was jumping an intro... accidents happen.
worMy
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I'm sorry but really do not like the word "pathetic" about any level of eventing, nuf said
So where are these easy novices you have done, I would like to try them next year
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im sorry about my use of pathetic
some softer novices you may like to try are berrinton, broadway, pontispool ,gatcombe.
I'm sorry but really do not like the word "pathetic" about any level of eventing, nuf said
So where are these easy novices you have done, I would like to try them next year
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im sorry about my use of pathetic
some softer novices you may like to try are berrinton, broadway, pontispool ,gatcombe.
worMy
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Im very very suprised my what I have read and feel some comments are very very immature... Eventing is dangerous, that girl that died at pauntley, jumping 3 foot max... were those pathetic jumps?
I think that when courses are concidered 'pathetic' that could be when you are most likely to have an accident, with becoming complacent etc. I do worry about mine and my horses safey even if I was jumping an intro... accidents happen.
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look fine pathetic was the wrong word,,gimmi a break.
no 3ft jumps arnt pathetic if they are ment to be 3ft.
but a novice course should be novice height and novice technicality, and if it isnt, then its 'soft'
no matter what the course is, im still careful and i think about my route. im not stupid and unsafe.
Im very very suprised my what I have read and feel some comments are very very immature... Eventing is dangerous, that girl that died at pauntley, jumping 3 foot max... were those pathetic jumps?
I think that when courses are concidered 'pathetic' that could be when you are most likely to have an accident, with becoming complacent etc. I do worry about mine and my horses safey even if I was jumping an intro... accidents happen.
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look fine pathetic was the wrong word,,gimmi a break.
no 3ft jumps arnt pathetic if they are ment to be 3ft.
but a novice course should be novice height and novice technicality, and if it isnt, then its 'soft'
no matter what the course is, im still careful and i think about my route. im not stupid and unsafe.
MissDeMeena
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I'm not Katherine Balfour no...
I'm not actually suggesting that you go up to int. more trying to show you how stupid your use of the work 'pathetic' was!!
Since reading the rest of the thread, i can now see that you've realised you were a little stupid in your origional wording!!
Having been eventing for 10 years now i know that there's no such thing as a 'pathetic' course, even at intro level!! they all need riding and you can always improve, even on a clear round!!
I'm not actually suggesting that you go up to int. more trying to show you how stupid your use of the work 'pathetic' was!!
Since reading the rest of the thread, i can now see that you've realised you were a little stupid in your origional wording!!
Having been eventing for 10 years now i know that there's no such thing as a 'pathetic' course, even at intro level!! they all need riding and you can always improve, even on a clear round!!
worMy
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I'm not Katherine Balfour no...
I'm not actually suggesting that you go up to int. more trying to show you how stupid your use of the work 'pathetic' was!!
Since reading the rest of the thread, i can now see that you've realised you were a little stupid in your origional wording!!
Having been eventing for 10 years now i know that there's no such thing as a 'pathetic' course, even at intro level!! they all need riding and you can always improve, even on a clear round!!
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see thats what annoys me, ive appologised, ive said i shouldnt have used that word,,but people dont read the stuff inbetween, where ive apologised, they just leap in and have a go at me again and again without thinking.
and sorry about the name.
I'm not Katherine Balfour no...
I'm not actually suggesting that you go up to int. more trying to show you how stupid your use of the work 'pathetic' was!!
Since reading the rest of the thread, i can now see that you've realised you were a little stupid in your origional wording!!
Having been eventing for 10 years now i know that there's no such thing as a 'pathetic' course, even at intro level!! they all need riding and you can always improve, even on a clear round!!
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see thats what annoys me, ive appologised, ive said i shouldnt have used that word,,but people dont read the stuff inbetween, where ive apologised, they just leap in and have a go at me again and again without thinking.
and sorry about the name.
worMy
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oh and MissDeMeena
belvedere is lovelly isnt he!!!!!!
belvedere is lovelly isnt he!!!!!!
MissDeMeena
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He is indeed
cheekycharley
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Well at least its now understood that you do take every course seriously and i wish you a succesful season in 2009.
kateD
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I think alot of this thread has been taken slightly out of context- ok 'softer' rather than 'pathetic' is a more appropriate word to use- but worMy has appologized so why not leave it at that. The difficultly of a xc at any level is mostly influnced by your riding ability and what your sat on- 'horses for courses' I think is the saying
! But on the same vein theres nothing worse than turning upto a B.E and it ends up as dressage competition!
Daisychain
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Are you winning and getting placed regularly at Novice level? If your doing it just for fun then move up to intermediate if you just want the thrill of a more challenging track... Why do you want to come across as such a big head..
Jul
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Gosh, what a lot of fuss about the choice of a word!
It sounds like 1* would be an excellent move for you next year WorMy, then hopefully if you've managed to crack the SJ and dressage over the winter, you can have a go at a 'middle of the road' Intermediate.
Wish you the best of luck and, for the record, I don't think you come across as a 'big head' at all - just someone who speaks plainly about what they think, quite refreshing actually
It sounds like 1* would be an excellent move for you next year WorMy, then hopefully if you've managed to crack the SJ and dressage over the winter, you can have a go at a 'middle of the road' Intermediate.
Wish you the best of luck and, for the record, I don't think you come across as a 'big head' at all - just someone who speaks plainly about what they think, quite refreshing actually
Baydale
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So why are you fed up of doing novices with pathetic xc? I thought the challenge of eventing was to be good in all three phases, although most of us on here seem to find it impossible to be good in all three phases on the same day. Surely if you want to be less fed up then you should work on your other phases so that you get more satisfying results at novice, as when you go up to intermediate the weaker phases will become more glaringly, obviously weak, and leave you further down the field. Just a thought.....
worMy
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thanx turnip
totally agree puggle, it should be a comp decided on all 3 phases
daisy chain i havnt even been in the top 10 at novice.
and how have i come accross big headed???
thank you very much jul, least u dont seem to hate me!!! lol
thats exactly what im aiming to do!!!
and baydale if you had read any of the other pages, you would have realised that this winter all im doing is working on my dressage and showjumping and that ive sed i wont move up a level untill they are better. please get your facts right.
and for other people,,look at my record my name is katherine begley and my horse bourne belvedere, then you can see why we like xc, and why we cannot go up a level untill the dressage and showjumping is sorted. i appreciate your oppions, but not when they are ignorant of the facts.
totally agree puggle, it should be a comp decided on all 3 phases
daisy chain i havnt even been in the top 10 at novice.
and how have i come accross big headed???
thank you very much jul, least u dont seem to hate me!!! lol
thats exactly what im aiming to do!!!
and baydale if you had read any of the other pages, you would have realised that this winter all im doing is working on my dressage and showjumping and that ive sed i wont move up a level untill they are better. please get your facts right.
and for other people,,look at my record my name is katherine begley and my horse bourne belvedere, then you can see why we like xc, and why we cannot go up a level untill the dressage and showjumping is sorted. i appreciate your oppions, but not when they are ignorant of the facts.